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“Egoic mind” is one thought. There is no such thing as an egoic mind. That is the sneakiness at play. There is no time, that is also conceptual, so not only is there no egoic mind, there is no possibility of it ‘catching up’. This is all self-trickery. Scrutinize a bit more… is ‘we practice oneness’ an actual possibility? “At this” dontes an experience and someone separate of it - can experience be permanent, or is permanent a thought? Affirmations can be great for sure. Also, ultimately this is dualistic. Like a light socket can be used to illuminate, or electrify. It’s in how one implements. Affirmations can uplift and inspire, and can also subversively unknowingly suppress. It seems as if there is, or could be, a correct consensus of such ‘things’, but yet more akin of direct experience, in your life so to speak, there is a season for everything. There is a day for a band aid, and there is a day for shadow work, and there is a day of realization there are no band aids, and there is no shadow. There is a realization of finite mind projection, there is a realization of infinite mind projection, there is a realization of finite mind hijacking infinite mind projection with finite mind projection lol, and there is a realization there isn’t projection.

By realizing this isn’t something to ‘deal with’, but something you’re creating… because there is no such actuality to that narrative. Escapism & avoidance aren’t feelings, they’re thoughts, which do not feel good. In regard to the guidance of pain, such as touching a hot stove, the apparent reaction of the body in removing the hand from the stove, is intelligence. In regard to the guidance of feeling, the mind’s averting or aversion, or, ‘moving away from’ emotion, or, feeling, is the mind seeking better feeling, by innocently & ignorantly ‘moving away’ from it’s source, from the very substance the thought ‘my mind’ is made of, from the very “feeling” ultimately sought. When it honestly, wholeheartedly surely seems that ‘big picture’ is the biggest picture - and yet intuitively feeling ‘says’ no, no, there is much, much more to this… consider there might be a much much bigger picture. Maps & Traps. An adventure which can’t be thought, believed or imagined, yet is actual. It’s seems like those thoughts are things, and so the ‘running’ is not from feeling, while feeling is ‘letting you know’ those are thoughts, not things. Reality = abundance. In shedding the layers of labeling, the ‘greater adventure’ of consciously co-creating will shock you to your core with it’s Goodness and actuality. Perhaps the very first step is the inner admittance… this is not ‘how it is’ nor ‘how I am’… this is how I’ve been saying ‘it is’, and ‘how I am’. Reality has been, is and will continue to ‘become’ precisely as you’re focused. Just how precise this is, is absolutely mind boggling in the greatest possible way. A “text” is not even a text. Nothing is “random”. When this ‘clicks’ and it is realized you create your reality of mind, as all is mind, you will shit happiness.

@mandyjw Holy spot on meme! Brought to mind… bread never comes out of a toaster, only the toaster is the toasted.

@sara373 Yes, actual infinite emptiness. Silence without an end. Much more than literal or could be pointed to with dualistic languages. ‘No thoughts of yourself’ isn’t instructional, it’s a pointing to thought attachment & actual innocence, in the sense, ‘your’ real Home, which is not this place. Meditation will indeed bring up many questions, and much expression. For the sake of clarity, there is no suggestion here of suppressing either, but of expressing and finding out the answers to every possible question which arises. Which is not at all to say discordantly, existentially, ruminating. You might say the adventure of finding out, vs thinking about ‘myself’ and or a ‘reality’.

@actualizing25 Do you mean ‘aren’t concerned with enlightenment’, or were interested, are enlightenment, and thus are aware of the linguistic barrier and the misunderstanding implied in the claiming of, in your regard? What if ‘those whose lower needs are not fully met’ are gravitating toward not actual enlightenment, like the folks you mention, who are happiness, abundance, and prosperity, but to an impression of, via people who claim it as their own? (Seeing an impression of enlightenment as a solution or resolve, an ‘if I could be like them I’d be x, y, z, happy, etc) Are you seeing the con in the con-fusion of this? (At your own end so to speak) What is a ‘these people’ you speak of? God see’s only God, ego see’s only ego. Infinite can not know finite.

@SQAAD What exactly was so discordant?

@Mjolnir Meditation slows down the labeling process which essentially has been hijacking depth of feeling under the mind’s radar. Think of an actor in a movie expressing feeling based on lines, scenes, & other actors’ roles, and then beginning to realize-feel what they’ve been calling their emotions is actually the infinite screen appearing as the movie, scenes, and actors.

@4201 In case it wasn’t noticed, that was a copy of the op, with a slight change to ‘separate self’ noting identification with thoughts. I hear ya though, identification is identification. ‘The separate self’ really is just the activity of identification wether me, him, her, self, no self, God or a toaster.

Understanding The Immutable Laws is quite helpful imo, for beginning to see all is divinity, and there are ‘workings’ & ‘ways’ which are unseen (‘third eye’ stuff). Specifically The Law of Attraction. This can bring much understanding to why you feel how you feel, and why your life is going as it is. Other than meditation…yoga’s, trips, acceptance, apologies, forgiveness… and this is a list more or less of just a few of the activities & experiences to be had which are known to bloom & rekindle divinity & creativity. Understanding and employing of the emotional scale could be said to be critical, specifically the distinction between self referential thoughts, and emotion experienced. This is discovering divinity by uncovering divinity. Contemplation, as a means of going prior and directly experiencing communion, or communication with being, can be most insightful and most often leads to self-realization, or communication as being. The Ten Of-Herding Pics of Zen are a great path overview.

It’s still on the page. Maybe you have a question, or something specific I could elaborate on…?

@Flowerfaeiry I didn’t say they are not to be consumed by humans.

Might be insightful, and not necessarily nonsense, but there aren’t ‘sorts’ of Truth. The Truth is absolutely unmistakable. There would be no question of validation whatsoever.

@OneIntoOne Animals eat plants. Plants create defenses from an evolutionary standpoint. A deer eats a marijuana plant, and then feels confused, lethargic, maybe a little paranoia. That deer is far less likely to eat that plant again. There might be conflicting factors between the effects of the plant… and focus in contemplating. The body is likely responding to this confusion with adrenaline & accelerated heart beat, or the ‘fight or flight’ response. The “bodymind” is responding as infinite intelligence, but the experience is being interpreted through a lens of a separate self (my mind, I’m going crazy, fear of death, etc) “Is this normal & is this dangerous?” Up to you. There isn’t an objective, absolute or ultimately conclusive “normal” or “danger”. It’s probably a safe bet that in simple terms, you’re just high and can breathe & chillax.

As @cetus once mentioned, the human experienced ‘effects’ of marijuana are of the plants evolutionary defensive mechanism, to confuse and thus discourage potential eaters of the plants. (From Maps & Traps) In regard to the guidance of feeling, the mind’s averting or aversion, or, ‘moving away from’ emotion, or, feeling, is the mind seeking better feeling, by innocently & ignorantly ‘moving away’ from it’s source, from the very substance the thought ‘my mind’ is made of, from the very “feeling” ultimately sought.

When it clicks you gonna be happiness. (Or, self-happiness rather, that which is already the actuality) “What is the ego?” ??? What Is a Self Referential Thought. (That’s not a typo! There is no question mark there!) “What”…. IS… a self referential thought. “Your ego” lol! Freakin adorable.

@roopepa Yes, and thanks!

Per direct experience, thoughts only arise now, and can have the content, or implication of, a past. Check and see, attempt to experience a thought, which does not arise, now.

https://www.actualityofbeing.com/maps … see ‘aversion’ at the bottom. https://youtu.be/h3Qjk9LqDvw … listen to the first song there; hear for the first time. Second song’s pretty on point as well. “I wait for you there, like a stone. I wait for you there, alone.” No mind is not conceptual.

Counterintuitive is meta realization. The ‘bigger picture’ at play if you will. Counterintuitive feels so amazing in fact, that it is realized not to ever have been ‘counter’, but simply intuition which was doubted. The ‘unconscious aspect of yourself’, is quite literally, the repetition of that thought (about a yourself), and the ignorance of how it feels / disregard for the true self, the very feeling-guidance, or simply how you feel placed above wha thoughts believe (about yourself, a past, etc). This is like a dam to an endless ever-flowing river of consciousness. Feeling is the healing. Expression is the way. The acknowledge of the feeling and abiding by it, or, listening to it, is already the healing in & of itself. Note the feeling of relief in the dropping of the narrative of the separate self, and the seeking a resolve or logical answer for it. Expression honors and allows the shadow into the light of awareness. “I struggle with low self esteem” is one thought, repeating, a belief. Via proper meditation, this thought activity comes to rest, settling into the peace and love you actually are, that which is awareness, aware of the thought activity about a separate self. One interpretation is “there is something wrong with me”... and the seeking of the solution. Another interpretation is there is nothing wrong with you, nothing you actually need, already no actual problem, only thought attachment to the thought, belief, that there is ‘a problem’, or, ‘something wrong with me’. Going Prior ... to these self referential thoughts = ‘going home’, ‘returning’, ‘remembering’, awakening, happiness.

@John Paul True culmination of a healthy relationship, that of sharing our being, will do more for clarity, expression, and wakefulness, than any practice or substance. Initially, projection is missed, but suffering ensues, and it is later inspected. One innocently, yet most unfortunately, looks everywhere but oneself. The only actuality of distraction is that of a single thought at a time, which is felt to be out of alignment with that which desire is for traction with or of. If wakefulness is that which is desired, projection is the yet seen, and thus still said to be, ‘distraction’. Put another way, X is what I desire to create, be, have, experience... but Y is the distraction from it. In actuality, in truth, Y is that which is leading you directly to X. Imagine said girlfriend saying to you aloud “I am your distraction”. Would it not in honesty, still be up to you as to wether that is the case?

@Strangeloop Those are one in the same. One never faces the mental activity of another’s judgement, only ‘one’s own’ thought activity, about judgment, and the projection onto, others. When attention is gently removed from the abstractions of thought, and returned to feeling breathing from the stomach, the focus shifts from my problems, relationships, one for which it is hard, one who would stay quiet, one who could or couldn’t, should or should, take responsibility... to actuality. Responsibility is response-ability, and in the non-reactionary conscious response of feeling breathing, that “one” is more clearly a thought. There is not a ‘you’ moving through time. Conscious response is always only ever now, or not now. Presence (you) is never not presence. The true One has no ‘other’, such as responsibilities for example. Happening is happening, the overlay of duality, separation, is only the thoughts, or, thought attachment. The relevance of the practice of meditation on the Path.

@Gesundheit2 Ha! I know right?! Suffering’s hilarious! ?

In recognition “I get lost in my mind” is one thought, return attention to feeling breathing from the stomach. In regard to drowsiness, meditate first thing in the morning after a full night’s sleep.

@nuwu Indeed. So simple in fact, I believe consciousness - is already a duality implied.

@Nick_98 In regard to the self referential thoughts, thoughts about the you trying so hard, focusing, etc, meditation is simply the return of attention to feeling breathing from the stomach. It seems there is an attempt to ‘over power’ the mind, rooted in a misunderstanding about enlightenment, and about meditation, and the path. There isn’t any ‘work’ to the path, or to meditation. It’s deep relaxation. With proper meditation these self referential thoughts naturally cease, and come to a rest. The activity of thought, of ‘thinking about yourself’, is no more. Then it is very clear these thoughts were like clouds in the sky, which were obscuring the true nature, or, the ever present empty sky, (analogous for the happiness that is ‘our’ ever-present infinite being). Wakefulness isn’t an achievement, a place gotten to, a thing acquired or obtained. That is ‘monkey mind’, or, attachment to dualistic thought…. thoughts that there is a (1) you, which is going to get (2) enlightenment. Enlightenment is a word which points to what is already the actuality. This overview / map might be insightful as to the role of a proper practice. These tools, specifically expressive writing, might be useful as to the practicality of expressing and releasing the conditioning as it comes up & out via meditation.