Nahm

There are only other people for a person.

There isn’t a how. It’s about letting go of thinking. Ya.

@Ulax What is your affliction? More importantly, where is it? Point to it. Well it’s the past. Be literal. Point to a past. Well, that’s a thought. Not actually a past. If there’s no past in your direct experience… and the thought is in your direct experience… then there is no affliction to overcome, sans the one you are repeating & imposing, upon yourself, via thought. That might be read as harsh, but is not meant that way. It’s meant to your benefit. You are not identified by your past. You are not identified by the actions of others. You are not identified by your thoughts, but ‘the work’ to do is recognizing that you are believing that you are, and bringing understanding, and thus peace, to that. That you are here, now, present, is liberation. That you are not the story you tell, is liberation. Very important… if questions arise, ask em. That is the way of non-aversion, of non-suppression. It is the way.

@Tim R I didn’t say focus is yours. I said it’s as yours as anything could possibly be. A slight concession to bridge some communication. You’re taking it too literally there. Likewise, the title says ‘what is a self referential thought’, not ‘focus is a self referential thought’. Although, focus is also a self referential thought. Unless of course, it isn’t.

@Tim R What is a self referential thought.

@Jannes It,1…theory, 2…me, 3…I, 4…myself, 5. You say there are 5 separate components at play (maybe 4 in all fairness), while the theory you speak of says not-two. You’re utilizing the theory, vs hearing it.

Memories experienced are no more yours than trees passed while driving down a road. Simply enjoy the beauty & richness of the experience. That is the work! Life’s teaching you. You think the lesson (and ‘solution’) is ‘somewhere else’. That’s aversion of feeling. Memories experienced are no more yours than trees passed while driving down a road. Focus though, that’s as yours as anything could possibly be. Who, spirituality, personal growth, etc, those are memories. That they are good & bad is judgement. The veil of judgement makes memories seem not like you - but yours.

Will you feel better, perhaps more passionate, elated, enthused, energized, eager, or maybe even more whole or complete, when you realize or know what your purpose is, or maybe even when you are actualizing it or have actualized it… than you do right now? It’s from Abraham Hicks & the emotional scale. Commonly people believe they need to do something to feel truly outrageously amazing. So they try a great many things. When nothing works, they consider the true nature is like the cork, that without the ‘holding down or holding underwater’ of beliefs, they naturally ‘float’, or, feel contentment. They’ve dropped the condition, and thus feel unconditional, in the now, present. Momentum builds as goodness arises, and we communicate that distinction with terms like passion, as compared to say, fear, doubt, etc. Those emotions are no longer experienced, because they were the discord, of the belief(s).

Someone else experiences, shares, and you call that vibrational experience enlightenment theory.

@Vision That you aren’t filled with passion, and so there is a belief to let go of. Then you float like an unfettered cork.

@Kksd74628 Manifesting what you want is one hell of an enlightening practice (ime). Helping others do the same isn’t too shabby either (as a practice for ya).

@Javfly33 Damn it! I bamboozled myself with the all caps.

@Javfly33 Come on man.

@Alysssa Nice. I just meant to see what animals are.

@Kksd74628 What are some things which help people which you do want to do? Also, self inquiry isn’t about thinking but about feeling.

Really depends on one’s connotation of ‘do’. We can turn a light on, or kick a football for example. Maybe you mean do about something specific…? Those are labels. Science can explain sex for example, but then when you experience sex it isn’t the connotation, or, the idea, or, labels. I wonder if what you’re really wondering is if believing thought labels in regard to feeling is delusional. In that case the label of ‘evidence’ could be let go, for the ‘real thing’. All labels are essentially delusional, yet no one is delusional. Edit: Just read some of the op… the issue at play is thought attachment. ‘Brain scanner’ isn’t a separate thing, it’s a thought, which believed, does seem like it is actually this separate thing, but of course… ‘separate thing’ is also just a thought. Without thought attachment it’s more readily realized one is believing ‘evidence’ which is really hearsay, and one is not actually ‘going out’ and checking the evidence for oneself so to speak. From a helpful, practical, useful standpoint… just literally label the hell out of everything on purpose. Doing so on purpose makes it clear it’s something one’s been doing all along. Similar to getting angry, or being serious on purpose.

Go outside.

Lot of thread to catch up on… is there maybe a specific question or two? @caelanb

@Kksd74628 Not sure what you mean by bashing. I’m saying anything you do which earns income helps someone.

@Kksd74628 There is virtually nothing you could possibly do which makes even 1 dollar which is not helping people.

@EmptyVase ? Something fun is even better than silencing the mind, but also they are often two in the same.

@somegirl You’ve got to notice that you are the one saying this is how it is. You have the power to put how you feel well above your perspectives and thoughts about her or anyone. That is your true power. Imo, you need some space, a break from this thinking, from these discordant perspectives. In the smokescreen of so much mental resistant activity, the truth that you are only feeling your own perspectives, thoughts & beliefs, is going unnoticed. It’s not new to you to hear the idea of empowering yourself, by nourishing your mind, body and emotions. Nor is it a new concept to become independent emotionally and financially. One can do this, and one does not need to employ the opposite, or, resent those who took care of them. These things can only be done & accomplished now, not in a past. From Byron Katie… when you look at her, see her with all your post it notes stuck all over her. All your labels, beliefs, projections, etc. Peel them all off. Then you will really see her for the first time, and you will love & appreciate her more than you could ever imagine. You will feel liberation, and you will feel more amazing than you ever felt. More than you even knew was possible. And then you will be saying to someone (probably your own daughter one day)… “it’s about putting feeling first”. In doing so you will not experience these battles in that relationship, and in doing so you will have literally changed the world.

Responsibility for your life is a thought. There is no ‘your life’ in perception. A ‘your life’ is contingent on you being an object moving through linear time, which is also thought and never in perception. Response ability is a slight change of perspective, with the focus shifting away from an abstract ‘big picture’ of ‘my life’, and is the mind returning to responding in alignment, now. And it is only ever, now. This is most key in regard to anxiety and or depression, which are about a past and or a future, which isn’t ever actually experiences. This recognition is most impactful for the habit of ‘ballooning’ / ‘spider webbing’, or, taking how one feels just in this moment, and mistakenly extrapolating that as if it were indicative of ‘my whole life’. When the wandering mind wanders back to here & now, presence is, alignment is, happiness is.

Animals live in impulse. You’re not an animal.