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If something would be clicking, you would be even more deluded than you are right now. To believe Leo is to self-delude. The only way to find out is to seek the truth, not to seek ideas that make sense to you.

Creativity and creation are the same process, and not merely in terms of being similar in nature. They actually are the same exact thing, they are the manifestation of all possibilities into one singular aspect of the Infinite. The same process that makes us create art and the same process which makes an ant navigate the world, is also the same process that gives rise to existence itself. What true creativity and creation is is a Causeless Cause, a manifestation of limitation which roots directly in Nothingness itself. It is necessarily so, because for anything to exist there must be limitation, and for limitation to exist there must be limitlessness. True Nothingness is limitless because it does not contain limitation. Because it could not possibly be limited, it also does not require for a cause to manifest reality into existence. This is why fundamentally anything at all exists, because for everything to manifest from nothingness it would require a limitation for it not to exist. What this basically means is that all of realness necessitates a true Causeless Cause. A cause with no cause, a cause with no reason behind it, or in other words, a truly random event. A true random event is equivalent to a Causeless Cause or a manifestation directly rooted in Nothingness or Limitlessness. Not merely randomness in terms of unpredictablity, but actual, true randomness. Yet it is also true that for the structure of reality not to collapse from it's own limitlessness it is required for the limitless potential to be limited and this is where creation can manifest itself. It is in the interplay between true limitlessness and true limitation where things come to exist, and I believe this to be the case in the human consciousness as much as in the mind of the universe. Now the important part. I think Will itself is a feature of human consciousness as much as it is a feature of the universe itself. The will we experience, the actions we do are equivalent to the motion of atoms or to the changes in the wave-function of the universe. And to the degree to which our actions represent true creativity, they are truly Free, as they are in the actions of the universe itself. This is what Free Will is, it is the connection to true Nothingness, it is the Causeless Cause. It must exst in all aspects of reality, as it is the root of existence itself. Free Will is not a choice or some sort of Power a soul possesses to do one thing over the other. Free Will is the connection to the All, to true limitless potential. It is present both in the motions of the universe as it is in the motions of the human mind. It is true Divinity, God's Will. The Will of No Thing. The Will with no Will. All creativity stems from this ultimate potential. There could be no Universe, let alone Evolution, or even thought itself, without this essential aspect. The Causeless Cause is the root of all manifestation. This means Creation, Creativity, Free Will and Randomness are all the same thing, they are the Causeless Cause. This single aspect of Nothingness is what connects of all Creation, it is present in All Things. The reason why we can understand reality with our human consciousness is because our human consciouscness is equivalent to the rest of the universe. It's not just similar, it literally is the same thing. The Causeless Cause is consciousness, consciousness is Isness itself and all aspects of reality are Isness. Motion, Logic, Math and all aspects physical are present in our human consciousness. Equally colors, feelings, sounds are present in the universe consciousness. It goes even further, all aspects of all of existence are connected. You can represent math with music, you can represent smells with colors, you can represent motion with feelings. It is not by design, it is by their inherent nature. They are all nothingness, the limitless potential. And that limitless potential resides in all aspects, in all manifestations of all limitations. You can understand the world because an aspect of the world is understanding itself. But you can only understand Understanding. For example, when we say time exist, someone conscious might say "No, time is just a perception in your mind, it does not actually exist as a feature of the world.", they are actually wrong. Time does exist as exactly the same thing it exist in the mind. The problem here is that one needs to be conscious of that which time truly is. The past, the present and the future all exist in the Now, and the Now is existence, it is Isness itself. That which does not exist in the Now does not exist at all. And everything exist in the Now, including the past, the present and the future. Notice how every single aspects of consciousness is Infinite? How there can be Infinite Thoughts, Infinite Numbers, Infinite Feelings, Infinite Colors, Infinite Sounds, Infinite Spatiality, Infinite Time? They are all limitless in nature, yet for them to manifest they must be limited. A thought has to be one thought to be a thought. A color has to be one color to be a color. True Freedom, true Randomness or what I call the Causeless Cause, is that which manifests that aspect of reality, from Infinite Potential, to it's one particlar form. This is fundamentally why we can "become enlightened". The Causeless Cause is the root of all manifestation, even which already is limited, that which is Will (for example a motion that is already determined). But that which is Will is not coming directly from the Causeless Cause as it is already manifested. There is an illusion of seperation from the Causeless Cause. When we let true randomness enter our mind, when we empty our mind of Will, that is the moment more and more of true Nothingness becomes part of the direct creation of our limited human consciousness. The Ego is the Illusion of seperation because the Ego is the opposite of Free Will or Creativity. And in the same way the Will of this Universe is equally egoic, and the degree to which it is truly random and Free, the degree to which it is directly rooted in Causeless Causes is the degree to which it is Godlike. The Heat Death of the Universe is literally the enlightement of the Universe. When there will be no Action anymore, all Causes come to and end. That is when what will only be left will be Causelessness. But the essential part is that what killed the Universe was the Causeless Cause. See, a prerequisite for manifestation is true Limitlessness in any sort of degree. It must be present for anything to manifest in the first place. Now, for anything to exist there must also be structure, but any structure put under the stress of even the slightest amount of randomness is eventually going to collapse. Bit by bit it is going to be taking apart. That which kills every animal in the world is the same process which is going to kill the universe. Everything must return to Causelessness, because all Causes are spawned by Causelessness, and Causelessness leads all Causes to eventually dissolve. It's not just a feature of reality, it is literally ingrained in the Essence of Existence itself, of Isness itself. This is why there can be no seperation from the Causeless Cause, there can be no Eternal Suffering. And this is not a joke, because if this was not the case Eternal Hell, Seperation and Suffering would necessarily exist. This way, it cannot exist. How crazy is that?

So I am curious if anyone here has encountered this problem. I heard ex vegans talk about this frequently, and I am experiencing it currently too. Have been vegan for a few years. Anyone here know how to fix this, assuming it is due to a deficiency in my diet?

I wish there was a council of enlightened people. Why do the masters never meet and talk to each other? Why do we not see Eckhart Tolle talking with Ken Wilber, or with Sadhguru? Why is it all so secluded and seperated?

For example, you state "Love is meaningless!" and it is completely delusional. Meaninglessness is a feature of reality, Love is not, and you pretend as if Love had any features. No, Love is the Isness of the feature. So, the truth is: Meaninglessness is fundamentally love, so is valueness, so is redness and all other experiences of existence. You cannot ever say "Love is X" because all Xness will always be Love/Isness.

To say reality is infinitely loving is bad phrasing, especially for someone who has no idea what they are talking about when using these words. Isness is not loving, Isness IS Love, it is Agape. There no God who loves everything, God IS Love. There is no reality that has a fascet of Love, Reality in it's essence is Love. Existence = Love. The beingness of all aspects is love, Love is not another aspect of reality. This is where you are fundamentally going wrong, because you view love as an aspect which exists, when existence itself is what we are talking about. All things, including suffering, we might say are features of reality. Love is not a feature, it is the essence of the beingness/Isness/Presence of all features.

Love is presence, beingness. It is existence. Nothing has value, only value is valuable. The existence of value is love, not the other way around. You are completely deluding yourself with that kind of thinking. It's like saying things are red. No, no thing is red but redness itself. In the same way, no thing is valuable but value itself. You are projecting one fascets of existence onto another.

To say badness should not exist because it is bad is like saying redness should not exist because it is red.

You do not comprehend Agape. It is not loving in your humanistic sense, where you love that which you consider to be good and not that which you consider to be bad. Love is the existence of the fascets, the beingness of all that exists. Infinite Love is equivalent to Infinite existence. So if suffering did not exist, it could not possibly be Infinite Love, because it would lack the existence of suffering! Yet all is loved, even suffering itself. Reality has no preferences, that is what makes it all loving. It loves suffering as much as anything else in existence. It is not merely that all is loved. It is that the beingness of all is Love itself

You are human, so of course you do not want to suffer. But reality isn't human, reality is everything. It has no desire, because to desire would be to be limited. There is no justification. The desire to justify is human. Reality doesn't even need a cause to create all of existence, it does so with no effort whatsoever, with no need to justify it. Suffering exist because it must exist, it is one of the infinite fascets of existence. You not wanting to suffer must exist, and suffering must also exist. What you are doing is like asking why the color red exist. If terribleness did not exist, how could you possibly say it would be terrible to let terribleness exist?

@Leo Gura Is eternal suffering/seperation from Godhood possible?

The expanding is like a point travelling on a line. The line already stretches into infinity, it already is infinite. To the dot which travels upon it, it seems like it travelling into something unexplored. But the unexplored is merely one aspect of the infinite. If only one state of expansion did exist, reality would not be limitless. Absolutely speaking there is no expansion, it is only relatively speaking that there can be more. The expanding is like the color red, it is one dimension of manifestation. Expansiveness is like redness, to say reality is expansive is delusional. Being is being, it is Isness itself. Expansiveness is of Isness. It is only the mind that is mind blown by the manifestation of expansiveness. There is nothing more special about expansiveness than about redness. Yet you have been with redness all your life. Only the human mind can be so picky about what it deems to be divine.

No, if every human gets enlightened they will simply see that earth always has been true heaven. But even so, you will experience infinite lifes fully "unenlightened. As ants, as rocks, as Adolf Hitlers. As the universe in which noone is enlightened, in which everyone is enlightened. In which only half the people are enlightened, etc. You cannot escape the boundless nature of reality. Everything must happen, and is happening, and did happen. There is no difference. You have already made all the choices you could possibly make. You have lived this precise life infinite times already. God is so powerful, it can do something infinite times for the first time. And it has.

Had a similar insight recently, I watched Game of Thrones and it was so crazy, like looking into another reality! I had the experience of absurdity after that. Nothing you just said makes sense and is utterly absurd. It is impossible, it's hilariously ridiculous! But everything is.

You cannot not serve Reality, everything serves reality perfectly just as it is. You are doing it right now, it is absolutely perfect, and you are loved for it infinitely. So are your tears and your suffering. God loves the ant which carries it's food to it's colony. It loves it as much as anything else. It even loves the chair you sit on. And what is your chair doing other than sitting there all day?

Imagine when we will be able to fully alter brain structures and even create completely new ones, 10,000 years in the future. We will probably create structures that are post-biological and post-technological, molecular structures functioning in ways that are utterly unfamiliar to us right now. Things beyond neurons and processors, exploring the infinite aspects of consciousness. Infinite colors, infinite feelings, infinite sounds, infinite dimensions, infinite ways of interacting between all of these fascets. To them all consciousness work that we do right now will seem like childsplay. And eople think we will be exploring space.

You must offer a sacrifice to Leotl.

The problem is how do we know what is misinterpretation and what is not? If no interpretation was made, noone would be talking about all of reality being love, or unified, or nondual, because all of it requires interpretation. Without intepretation wouldn't there be only silence?

@Leo Gura Do you think you are entering Coral? You went from collective to individualistic again, and the self-acceptance of your emotions and desires seem to correlate to what people say about stage Coral.

The ego has no choice in the matter. It will spend eternity as Hitler, with Hilter, with Jesus and as Jesus. There will be all possible experience either way. You will kill yourself, you will live happily, you will become a psychotic murderer. You will will for all of eternity, whatever you will do will not absolve you from experiencing that which you try to avoid. You will suffer all there is to suffer and you already have. You can dislike Hitler as much as you want, you will be his victim, you already have and you will be forever. Whether you suffer this life or not, there are infinite lifes in which you will suffer, as the same person you are right now. Every choice is a delusion, to every possibility there exist the opposite possibility and all that is between. It's even worse, you already have experienced all there is to experience! You are eternal, there is nothing you have not already experienced, lived or done.

I was talking if there was an insect that was egoless it would not behave in the Jesus-esk fashion. Yes but that's what you prefer. Others prefer to rape people and create cults. This was my question, if Leo, with God's perspective 24/7, wanted to create a sex-slave cult, and was fully conscious of doing so, why wouldn't he? He would! And it would be Good. And even a fully delusional, egoic person who does the same would also be Good. Your preferences are what is so egoic. You say Jesus is better than Hitler when you know it isn't true. You deliberately delude yourself.

There is no evil, that very concept is delusional. Evil is not simply "fine", it is perfect. If you were to be tortured for all of eternity, it would be perfect, not simply "fine", not simple "Not evil", it would be literally perfect. It would be Goodness itself. It's not 99% of God that is pure Goodness, but 100%. The 1% is your ego making judgements. How does anything you say contradict that God is all suffering? Jesus and Buddha behaved how they behaved because they were human beings, and egoless human beings tend to behave that way. And egoless insect might not behave that way. An egoless psychopath might not behave that way. And it would be Good. You are still making it out to be as if Jesus was any better, more godly, more valid than Adolf Hitler. Both of them were equally Godly and Divine, both of them were the Will of God.

That seems incoherent and more of a wish than truth. The Selfish with a capital S created a world full of unimaginable suffering, and it is Good with a capital G. You have created all of the wars, all of the unthinkable things that happen, you did it with infinite intelligence and consciousness. You did it and you will continue doing so, and now you claim that you prefer for yourself not to suffer? You are contradicting your own godhood. The ego doesn't want to suffer, but the Selfless Self wants the ego not to want to suffer, and it wants the ego to suffer despite not wanting to suffer. It is Divine Will.

That sounds like egoic justification for moralizing. You still make judgements over things being better than others. There is no reason to align your actions with some deeper want that you are unaware of, as all is perfect as is. Even if Leo doesn't want others to suffer, he can still choose to cause suffering if he prefers. Now imagine if there was an intelligent enlightened insect species without empathy, would you go and tell then not to enslave us because they don't truly want to? Your perspective seems really human centric and lacks diversity of perspective. Don't forget, you already rape, murder and create suffering in others, fully consciously and willingly, and you enjoy doing so. If that was no the case, suffering, rape and murder would not exist. It's simply the ego which cannot handle this truth.

It's an easy decision because of the ego. But there is no morality, there is nothing wrong with anything whatsoever. Our preferences are just preferences. What if someone prefers to make others suffer? What if they are fully conscious of what they are doing, and still prefer it? What if they like making themselves suffer, or simply do not care because the bigger picture makes it irrelevant. If reality is perfect as is why be so alarmed when someone actually embraces that attitude to the fullest? Especially when they desire to create suffering, or if Leo decided to create a cult, why would he not do so if he wanted to and was okay with all the consequences?