Spiral

I don’t know where you guys find these crazy women. Most I encounter are quite reasonable emotionally.

Well surly if either work, both win. And if neither work both lose. If you only have say 5 guys in your social circle and none are not a fit for whatever reason. You’re stuck, you need to make new friends?

@theleelajoker I get stun-locked, if a girl is nervous like that. I’m halfway through writing my phone number into her phone by the time I realize she likes me ”like that”. I think just I’m terribly sensitive in this regard.

@theleelajoker I not oppose to it. In theory I like it. It has just in my experience been dominated by her nervousness. Which in the end, didn’t lead anywhere.

It is a bit entertaining that if a girls like me, she will be certain I have lots of other women in my life. That I have abundance, that might not be true and they are almost impossible to convince of this. It not a meaningful endeavor.

@Emerald That makes sense, I also appreciate a slow burn. You get a more complete perspective. In my culture we don’t have this. I suspect you’re from a peach culture, where people talk to strangers and colleagues. We aren’t open to strangers in a platonic manner. You don’t even talk to strangers unless absolutely necessary. Maybe a friend’s friend at most.

I agree with @Emerald here. Although personally I would find it terribly frustrating being a woman. Especially in a time where guys often do not take the first step. Women approach me here every once in a while. It doesn’t create the right dynamic, both just get nervous and there is no play to be had.

@Xonas Pitfall I’m not sure, it nice that a girl has the same type of humor I have. That I can change how she feels. However I not sure guys care more an a girl who told an actually funny joke to someone they like. I rather she laughs because she likes me than because the joke itself was good.

When a woman likes a man, she’ll laugh at his jokes. Or laugh in general when with him as a way to relive tension. Women like men whom they are attracted to and men like women who are attracted to them. Sure being a good joke teller is useful but this is more of the story in my experience.

@Leo Gura haha because it’s my name? I don’t know if I’d blame feminism or even say it a bad thing long term. It’s different and a lot of guys struggle. That’s all.

I disagree and it’s not just about it being scary or not. It’s about getting into the flow. You’ll perform better socially also

Aragorn from lord of the rings. P.S your vid is broken for me(image?)

@Xonas Pitfall A man who’s not good with women will bring out the “wrong” emotions in her. It is of course foolish to blame her, and call her too emotional for this. But if a guy do not know any better a he might do so. Generally I would say cute is better than sexy. If we are talking about getting romantic interest. Shy can be apart of that, but it doesn’t have to be. Guys really appreciate being respected, or rather hate being disrespected. However this often comes from not showing the woman enough love and affection. From a guys perspective this is often irrational because they not directly correlated. This doesn’t mean you should treat them any differently when a close friend in regards to respect. It’s so often I see girl trashtalk their boyfriend, guys hate this. Otherwise, being kind, open minded in general, not being so quick to judgement. Being kind, isn’t just to us, it’s to everyone. We notice that. Any trait, any good mother would have. Although I don’t mean to say you should treat him like your child. It is about you being able to be a good to our child if we have them. Humility, modesty, confidence can be appealing if done right, have boundaries. Being physical is something I like, hugs and stuff like that. We might pretend or appear that like we don’t care about I but we do. Otherwise I do not know. Guys do not like to compete with either other guys for a particular girl. That is a common misconception.

I don’t know if this has any practical application. Beyond stressing the importance of authenticity, emotional openness and so on. I do not think faking it is a good idea.

It is mostly the depth and it being a stark contrast to us. I’m not sure what you mean by manifest, if you mean how women show their emotions. It mostly body language, tonality of voice and such. If you mean, how it makes us behave, generally more romantic and sexual interest. It is attractive in every aspect of life. Positive and negative emotions. A boring dead fish in bed, doesn’t appeal to men, partly for the same reason. Play, the original topic of this thread is to me as a guy to make women feel emotions. We can experience them through her. Which we like. Besides the obvious appeal of potentially getting her interested in us of course. We do want to get laid more generally than the emotional aspects. As for why people generally don’t talk about this? It’s partly because men talk about that attracts them sexually, which to greater degree is appearance. But also because men don’t understand what attracts them. It’s not important to us. Who is more important than why. Men might say they like a guy friend(mentally) with tits and so on. But they won’t actually in a romantic sense. Women generally don’t understand what attracts them either. People just talk about what they like. Men like tits like Leo says, and we do. But it’s not very useful advice.

@Xonas Pitfall it’s deeply feminine to experience emotions deeply, and very appealing to men. However being an emotional mess and fluctuating constantly will not appeal to men. Negative emotions are also tricky, they belong and are important as well but we can’t deal with them very well. That is partly why men try to solve issues that women bring up, even though she just wants to talk about it. We were never supposed to be able to handle that. I think women generally feel emotions strongly enough. But they might try to hide them or resist being open enough to feel fully. So yeah it’s very attractive. However it dangerous to ask men these things. We don’t fully understand ourselves so we might just tell you what we like as oppose to what attracts us. The latter of course is more important if you’d like to find a male partner. All of these applies to heterosexual men that are more masculinity oriented.

@Xonas Pitfall I like the metaphor of a princess and a knight. A knight must be a competent fighter in order to make the princess feel safe. A knight that is too controlled by his emotions and feels them too strongly will not be a competent fighter. Even when the world is cruel and terrible, he needs to be in his full mental capacity. Perhaps even more so than normally. So while he can feel emotions, he doesn’t do so to the same extent the princess does. However this gives a him limited experience of the world, one the princess can provide when appropriate by just being herself. However the princess has another fear, what if he is a competent fighter but doesn’t want to risk his life to keep her safe? How that works, I’ll let you figure out. As for me, well I don’t experience the world as deeply as women do. I do really like being able to through her, experience more of the world. It’s like a hidden extra aspect of reality. It similar to always being able to only be see in monochrome but being able to wear glasses that lets you see colors.

A smile can be a from of transference of emotions, one that men deeply appreciate.

@Xonas Pitfall Men can give women the experience/feeling of safety. Men are not a proxy. Men want the emotion, the secret sauce they can’t generate on their own, that the woman’s reactivity enables.

A woman whom is not open and authentic will not be able give men what they desire in this case. Since they are a poor proxy.

Women crave safety, a to degree most men can’t fathom. Men can provide safety, or some men can. Women who feel safe are happy, and happy wife, happy life Women allow men to experience more, when they are happy, than what men can experience alone.

@Xonas Pitfall There isn’t much in men to experience, but they can influence how women feel in a meaningful way. How women feel can be proxy for men, to experience more emotionally. Sort of

It’s practically the same just in a different way. Men want to experience a woman. Women want men to give them an experience. Experience here is emotional.

It’s a negative spiral. Men find women less appealing romantically, this makes men lose motivation and ambition in general. This makes these men less appealing to women, whom in turn become more independent, traditionally masculine and in the eyes of many men even less appealing. Rinse and repeat. These sort of thing typically last about 40-50 years in total.

No, it’s inhabiting the qualities society wants women to have. So in other words it’s subject depending which culture you live in