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I find that people who has strong complaints about feminism and such generally spend to much time on the internet, probably watch YouTube vids). There are issues sure, but on the average day (in real life) you’re more likely to encounter issues with your plumbing. Not everyone is great in person, but I’ve found that most people are friendly enough. I have a crazy feminist at work, real nut job. That’s ok, none takes her seriously outside in work-related settings. She just comes off as someone with massive mental issues. She is friendly as well for the most part as long you are polite. There is no point trying to change her mind.

I think that’s a combination of two factors, firstly the girl might now have her own social life. Secondly and more importantly, it is to a great degree of about quality. A girl needs to feel safe knowing you value her and the relationship. Sitting around watching tv, won’t really cut it as time spent together. So doing that or some similar won’t cut it, even if it is three hours a day

I do think he’s terrible with woman. And he certainly has room for growth there. Let’s take something more normal. A house, a wife (in an moden/equal relationship) that treats them alright and kids. Perhaps unrealistic in this economy, but let’s imagine it isn’t. In terms of tangible benefits, this doesn’t seem all that great for a lot of guys. Probably better than what they have now, sure. But it will require an enormous amount of work to get there and they are likely to fail in the end anyway.

I think a lot of men do not feel like it’s worth it. To do what society wants from them, to mature and contribute. It’s a reward/effort equation that doesn’t go anywhere good. Maybe they tried, maybe someone they know got there and that ended up being discouraging. Like for me, my father is a CEO of this company. He is miserable, always working, his wife treats him terribly. I have more of these examples in my family and some friends. I do not want to be where they are, so I do not want to follow in their footsteps.

@Joshe You do not need to spend three hours a day on the relationship. 1 hour of “bed talk daily-ish” and 2-3 dates a week works fine. Besides you’re probably having dinner together most evening so you do not have to count that twice. Kids however will ruin your personal time

Today it’s a romantic display of commitment. With legal ramifications. Possibly religious ones too, if you are so inclined. Everything else is fluff. Marriage used to be for social cohesion and diplomacy. To marry our families together, not just two people. That’s not just for nobility and royalty but for the average Joe too. Than it became more of a protection for woman, back in the day when woman barely worked outside the household. So that they had something to their name if something went wrong in their relationship. Now it’s a relationship goal, to show that you as a guy is serious about this relationship. That makes the woman feel safe in knowing you really want this.

My country is a bit extreme in many ways. But I’ll recognize that most women globally want marriage. So yes, giving them it is certainly an advantage of marriage and only reason I would ever do it. The rest of the points I don’t really see. If a woman doesn’t care, you can still build a family. Have kids, stability and on. If you get married someone might stay just because it inconvenient to leave, legally, in terms of effort and financially. Is that great? I don’t think so. I want to be certain someone stays because they want to, not because they “have” to. I think this is just a cultural thing, I know a bunch of people who have been together for over a decade. Living together and got kids(of the intensional variety)

What’s the advantage of marriage as oppose to just being together? Let’s imagine your partner is neutral A fun event? Good sign in business? Religious reasons? Tax benefits?

This situation seems unhealthy to me

I thought being a monk meant disowning worldly possessions. Aka not having any money

If I ever go the US again, I would be worried about the food there.

@Hardkill Too old, yes, yet not socialist enough. But he is getting there

Would be nice if you got a new fresh party. I like Bernie, for instance, he seems good. Probably other good options

Is American tourism truly dead? As in tourism inside the US. I seen quite a few indications of this. How do you Americans notice this? Is actually the case?

This is accurate.

Stockholm, Sweden. 6/10 socialist utopian, egalitarian, crime, underfunded welfare, unfriendly shallow people, high taxes yet wealthy. Pretty city, nature and people

I’m Swedish, we’ve had a rough decade. We have taken in a lot of immigrants, without the capacity to integrate them. However I’m optimistic about the future, medium to long term. Banging aliens is not in my calendar this weekend. But I’m open to new things, do not wanna be neophobic.

I don’t know where you guys find these crazy women. Most I encounter are quite reasonable emotionally.

Well surly if either work, both win. And if neither work both lose. If you only have say 5 guys in your social circle and none are not a fit for whatever reason. You’re stuck, you need to make new friends?

@theleelajoker I get stun-locked, if a girl is nervous like that. I’m halfway through writing my phone number into her phone by the time I realize she likes me ”like that”. I think just I’m terribly sensitive in this regard.

@theleelajoker I not oppose to it. In theory I like it. It has just in my experience been dominated by her nervousness. Which in the end, didn’t lead anywhere.

It is a bit entertaining that if a girls like me, she will be certain I have lots of other women in my life. That I have abundance, that might not be true and they are almost impossible to convince of this. It not a meaningful endeavor.

@Emerald That makes sense, I also appreciate a slow burn. You get a more complete perspective. In my culture we don’t have this. I suspect you’re from a peach culture, where people talk to strangers and colleagues. We aren’t open to strangers in a platonic manner. You don’t even talk to strangers unless absolutely necessary. Maybe a friend’s friend at most.

I agree with @Emerald here. Although personally I would find it terribly frustrating being a woman. Especially in a time where guys often do not take the first step. Women approach me here every once in a while. It doesn’t create the right dynamic, both just get nervous and there is no play to be had.

@Xonas Pitfall I’m not sure, it nice that a girl has the same type of humor I have. That I can change how she feels. However I not sure guys care more an a girl who told an actually funny joke to someone they like. I rather she laughs because she likes me than because the joke itself was good.