UnbornTao

@Squeekytoy Pointing out this social game is not producing direct consciousness, whether an agreement is reached or not.

Agreeing our way to enlightenment!

Plus 20 warning points to OP.

That's deliberate. At best, debates on this matter open doors for introspection; at worst, the exchange and mutual agreement validate what might fundamentally be a pretension of knowing. Regardless of what's said, start by confronting your experience. If you're ruthlessly honest with yourself, are you deeply conscious of your own nature, beyond dogma and philosophy?

@Leo Gura Blueberries for me.

Thank you! Good team.

My dog.

You should just contemplate the fundamentals, like what a belief is.

The principle itself seems to be applicable to many aspects of experience. In a social context, you might be a dick and yet be able to effortlessly question your own stance on other topics. But I don't know.

When you begin to set aside everything that isn’t a direct apprehension of a thing's nature, what is it that you truly know relative to it? What comes to mind when you encounter that thing?

Highly biased, low-quality.

@Osaid You seem to be holding enlightenment as something experienced. Experiencing is indirect as it is a process mediated by biological senses. You perceive, say, a pencil, but what is it? It can be easy to confuse state, beliefs and unusual experiences with enlightenment, it's better to remain open and to keep contemplating.

At last.

Speculation and make-believe, it seems to me.

What is this discussion grounded on?

Hey, relatable. Actually recently added an article to my reading list on this topic: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/25/style/sleep-problem-late-night.html You can bypass the paywall with a browser extension.

Experience is a process and about something, direct consciousness is realizing what the thing itself is. For example, we experience objects through our senses, and yet seem to be unconscious of the nature of object-ive reality, what objects are. That we perceive something doesn't imply we are conscious of what it is existentially. It is absolute, not an experience.

Experience is indirect. I'd refrain from conjuring up cosmologies around this topic however convincing they are; direct consciousness is what does the trick.

Replace "Gordon Ramsey" with "all of humanity".

You're exchanging opinions and beliefs, which is fine. @Osaid enlightenment ain't an experience.

@Yimpa go ground yourself.

If they ask and are open to it, you might as well share some of them. Aren't universities supposed to be comparatively open environments?

Or, metaphorically speaking, the creation of self is hell.

Fine, then contribute positively by engaging in mature exchanges, not so much reactivity.

@bebotalk sounds like you might be hurt in some way and might be venting. Just don't go around looking for fights and blaming others, whatever you feel is OK. Again, ask yourself why you started this thread. A better place to vent is the Journal section.