UnbornTao

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To whom is it not convincing?

I was nitpicking. However, isn't a belief not an experience of what's true, but a thought about something? The truth is found in our conscious awareness or recognition of some dynamic, condition, event, subject, fact.

I mean, no belief can be true.

It's fine, relax and reconsider your career path. You can simply switch to a different path and let go of your old expectations. That, or transform the way you approach your study so that better results can be achieved.

@Javfly33 Notice that people go live in caves to get enlightened. Once that's done, they often come back to "ordinary" life, whatever that may be for them. Transcending something doesn't mean you stop engaging in it; you're just free to generate it or not. Gautama still ate, talked, gave lectures, socialized, etc. Jesus might have had intimate relationships, too. Enlightenment didn't mean their lives had to turn out a certain way. So remember not to exclude the laundry (mundane life) from being enlightened. What are relationships? What is communication? What is language? What is desire?

Why do you think "enlightenment" is separate from ordinary life? How you live is up to you.

Is that a true statement? How do you know it's everyone? Granted, politics is based on manipulation, but this is not the same as lying. Someone like Bernie Sanders, for example, seems to come from a place of sincere service and integrity, regardless of potential factual errors he might make, biases he holds, mistakes he makes, etc. Do you expect politicians to be Plato or Aristotle— idealized "honest" individuals? "Less of a liar" can also be seen as less deceived than the opponent, which is a move in the right direction, especially when the difference in degree is so staggering between them. The "truth" isn't a fantastical place or fixed destination, which you seem to think; it's just what is, at any level.

@Inliytened1 Trump is the epitome of pathological liar.

– Franklin Merrell-Wolff.

–– Issai Chozanshi

If an expression sounds familiar to you in the context of consciousness work, watch out! Consider that there might be something deeper to understand about the experience or consciousness than what your intellect makes of it - especially if it comes from an authentic source.

You're goddamn right!

Yep

You were supposed to say Heisenberg. Anyway

Robert Greene and Vernon Howard.

Good work!

Say my name

Killing the Buddha by the river.

@Davino I didn't mean thinking about suicide. Why would it be an attempt to survive? It's an interesting perspective.

Suicide seems to be an attempt at being acknowledged and at feeling on top of life rather than at the effect of it. It is either meant to demonstrate how much you've been hurt or to avoid what is considered to be unbearable emotional pain. Often it is actually an attempt to survive, just a dysfunctional and foolish one.

Describing a dynamic is different from what you did above, I'd say. Why bring up this formless-nothingness subject? Is that what you guys presume eliminating a belief entails? It's more like having your cup emptied––being open. The cup (your experience) doesn't go away.

We should work on this concept vs actuality business, and on principles. Seeking out what's true is a different approach to what you guys are bringing up.