UnbornTao

Do you know how to make an omelette? Just trying to push us into our experience.

Hey, you might want to give A Course in Miracles a read - maybe try the workbook too. That could be more empowering.

Survival is life.

Plus, it would've been relatively easy - and tempting - to conjure up and formulate some "insights" in and with my mind afterwards. A crucial question for people: Were you enlightened prior to taking them, or did you resort to the drugs in the hope that they'd lead you to enlightenment (and therefore lack the reference for this realization)? The answer is almost always the latter. From that, mischief can easily occur, where one confuses a state for "consciousness." "Potentially deluding altogether," according to Adi Da.

Horniness doesn't increase your consciousness, Carl.

Too technical? Anyway, it's a state - a change in the body-mind. Not different in essence from being told a joke and laughing as a result. Or feeling inspired after watching a motivational talk.

You can watch porn and get aroused too. Doesn't mean the pornstars are enlightened.

You should check out this other thread for a more detailed explanation of why no drug can produce enlightenment or increase consciousness: Hurry up! Free access - available for a limited time only!

For the love of god.

I see.

This is how religions are born.

"What would DMT do?"

Be honest with yourself and call things by their name. And keep going in that direction. Acknowledge something for what it is, not as something else. If you experience blue, don't call it an experience of red - even if doing so conflicts with your agenda and preconceptions. Like with thinking that psychedelics can increase your consciousness. Of course, in practice, the challenge lies in not letting your beliefs, preferences, or biases interfere with a sober and accurate assessment of things.

¿Dónde está la biblioteca?

I mean, he does it consistently and seems obsessed with it, so he's clearly committed to it. Commitment can be based on something you genuinely enjoy.

Who the hell put water in my DMT cup?!

I can follow your logic, but the premise is flawed. The substance can only alter your brain chemistry and its activity, and truth isn't a function of that. You're talking about a state - one I'm familiar with and have experienced during 5-MeO breakthroughs. I also deluded myself that those experiences were something they were not.

Right? Nobody seems to be seriously entertaining some of these questions. It's easier to overlook them. Or you'll come up with some reasons or excuses as to why that is, like genetics, stupidity, or lack of proper methodology. But neither of that really addresses the main point.

I appreciate this response: How many times does it have to be said that everyone and their mother has taken the drugs - and in high doses - for it to sink in? Not only that, but people with actual enlightenments have, too - saying it isn't it. Their stance is based on consciousness rather than an experience. -- What some of you essentially presume is that the substances or a brain condition could have changed, altered, touched, or influenced what someone like Nisargadatta was directly conscious of. Look closely at your presumptions regarding consciousness - what you're really referring to is most likely awareness and experience, which is all that can be cognized. There may not be a reference point for us to truly comprehend what "direct consciousness" is about, except as a notion - one that's perhaps closer to the firsthand experiencing of something, which isn't the same thing. It's, once again, like thinking that such realization is lost (or gained) when one is drunk, depressed, feeling one with the universe, or having a stroke. It's independent of that world.

Time is relative!

@Leo Gura There's no way to 'direct' - that's the fucking point! It seems genetics is often used as a pretext to feel better about oneself and justify one's current position. The truth about this is that we don't know. To claim it's the only reason is ridiculous. It's a plausible explanation one might come up with after the fact. Even then, nothing has to change in the relative world since the absolute is true now. About your second post - effective for what, exactly? I keep asking for a reason. It's comforting to believe in the hopeful path that there's such a thing as a pill for this business. The main assertion that's being overlooked or going over your heads is that a process can only be relative. You assume it is a relational, cause-and-effect ocurrence.

Alter your state.

@Optimized Life 👍 💪