UnbornTao

I think this is a common phenomenon. Without the expectation there wouldn't be disappointment. It is an ineffective mind pattern, renew your wonder each time and question now.

Most of them seem to be engaged in one form of believing or another.

Depends on how you define each. If spirituality is defined as the pursuit of direct experience, I'd say very few are spiritual. At that point it'd be more accurate to call it truth seeking. Humans may be driven to believe, regardless of form. Belief does occur in both; it is fundamental in religion while in spirituality it is also significant but given some leeway. Depends on what each person is up to. A direct inquiry doesn't seem to be commonly pursued, believing is much easier and keeps one off the hook. Having breakthroughs must step beyond the realm of belief; this is what people like Gautama presumably did. Also there's the phenomenon of trust which is another thing to look into.

Good. Set those beliefs aside, they're ultimately hearsay, pointers at best. You seem to be pointing out a common dynamic with students – getting disappointed with the teachings after some time, based on the sense that it might all be "bullshit", that it might not be true. This sense is based on the recognition that what you had about the work was essentially conceptual and believed, therefore their reality hasn't been yet directly experienced and verified. Now the real work of going after what's true can begin. Question, wonder, contemplate.

@MellowEd You should do some serious work in the domain of assumptions.

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They weren't teaching religion, though. Religion is what the original communication turns into when people fail to grasp it.

Then make a leap of faith.

Regardless of excuses, if it isn't true, it isn't true. I'd start with questioning what a belief is. If there's willingness to question whether the Tooth Fairy is real, I don't think it's that hard to do. @CroMagna Hell is (equivalent to) the Tooth Fairy. @Inliytened1 It is easier said than done, it seems to me. If one is unwilling then that's an unworkable position as you implied. A willingness to question is essential on your part. From that, it is a fairly straightforward process especially when it comes to obvious beliefs. What do I truly know? Have I actually experienced the reality of this? If I stop believing that this is the case, what's left in my experience?

They can simply not think that or stop regarding it as the truth.

May be true in some cases but I think this is mostly BS. In some level they already recognize that deep down what they're really doing is believing (pretending); behind one's fervor and conviction, we fundamentally don't know. The discomfort of uncertainty might be what drives the need to believe in the first place. The condition of uncertainty remains but it is just covered up with "knowledge" and hearsay. Given that, I don't think it's hard to see how it is an activity of your making -- how it is taking a thought as true whose reality hasn't been personally and directly experienced). "My religion is not deceiving myself." – Milarepa.

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"First take the plank out of your own eye..."

The fear that you have is irrational and unfounded. You've adopted on faith a concept of hell from an outside source, and now you worry about what could happen if it is let go of. First notice that at some point you didn't have such belief. Whatever you are must exist prior to mind activity.

That's already in some level a confession of interest in what's true, and a good starting point since you're questioning and being honest! What else is there to pursue? True in all regards, existential, experiential, absolute and relative. What's effective? What's true? What's factual? Mastering a skill, an emotion, your mind, itself requires unearthing what's real about your chosen field and, learning and perceiving reality accurately. And what's absolute requires direct consciousness.

Be honest and keep moving towards that.

In short, be what's needed. A teacher is there primarily to facilitate learning. What works best for that purpose in any given situation? In retrospect, we might find that the uncompromising teachers were the effective ones, the ones from whom we learned the most; their main service was to our learning rather than to our immediate desires and preferences. Contemplate what makes an effective teacher and become that.

@Ulax You really are passionate about IFS.

You take souls, hell and suffering for granted. What souls? Where exactly? Suffering what, how and why? This isn't to invalidate mental illness or pain, but the ultimate truth is a different domain. Why do we want to link the ultimate truth to other things? Contemplate what suffering is and to whom it is presumably inflicted upon.

Overworking yourself to Nirvana.

What is happiness? Something to contemplate.

Thank you! Definitely one of my favs, too.

Just arrived! It wasn't easy to find or reasonably priced on second-hand digital markets, but here it is, finally.

I made a lentil stew not long ago. [Photo] Ingredients: 1 can cooked lentils 1 can mixed vegetables (carrots, potatoes, green beans, peas) 2 tablespoons homemade red chili pepper sauce with olive oil (spicy!) 1/2 glass tomato sauce Minced basil Rosemary or cumin Hot paprika Pepper mix 1/3 red onion 2–3 garlic cloves Salt Water Took about 10 minutes or so. Pretty good, in my opinion--and spicy! I might use fewer vegetables next time, maybe just half the mix. Personal preference.