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didn't read your first response so no hard feelings I'm trying to work on creating a separation between my dietary beliefs and my identity so that I get triggered less by counter-opinions (but I got a lot of work on that :D) . Food for thought perhaps? Btw I have not done in-depth review of the literature on seed oils, CVD & saturated fats because I don't think I have enough statistical knowledge to interpret those results without a huge degree of bias. Maybe you do? However let me refer you to the top of the expert channel I have found on this topic so far. I'm gonna have a look at the links you listed but for some proper brainfuckery consider watching this. al This guy has convinced me that mechanisms are not everything and that we actually need to look at the human data instead. And for even more depth, consider reading this too. This is the proper nerd stuff https://www.the-nutrivore.com/post/a-comprehensive-rebuttal-to-seed-oil-sophistry If you read & watch both and still remain unconvinced then you must be in denial. I was too for a very very long time. btw on those two links you sent: 1. I will review that meta analyses study in depth - looks interesting 2. the second link is one-person case study with mechanical speculation - case studies are at the very bottom of pyramid of evidence-based hierarchy. We cannot extrapolate claims based on case studies, they form potential suggestions for future research but on their own case studies are more just "interesting" rather than being extremely valid or reliable for an evidence-based approach. Btw this is on eggs, I don't have a thing against eggs although eating as many as this guy isn't probably a good idea for majority of people despite one guy being able to get away with it. Also, I no longer think that cholesterol in the diet necessarily causes heart disease, the mechanism is probably more complex than that and more tied to the saturation index of the fatty acids The sources Iisted above will be based on highest level human data evidence.

I agree with this. Once you lose a certain colony of bacteria, it may take you decades (if ever) to get them back. Some of these colonies have been with you since you were born and that moment you have sampled the vaginal bacteria on your way "out" , they were the very first that colonised your sterile infant gut. Ofcourse for people born through C-section and bottle-fed this diversity may be completely different. Also the issue is that once you lose them to the overgrowth of protein-digesting species that are generally more pro-inflammatory, I have no idea how easy is it to get that balance back. Those "free" spaces in the intestines will now be taken by species that were not supposed to be overpopulated and that can create completely new immune challenges such as depletion of intestinal mucous and increased proximity between the bacteria and the walls of the gut (without the mucouse to keep them out) which may result into massive flare-up of autoimmunity (in theory at least) and separation of tight junctions of the intestinal walls (in theory at least) I don't think we know as much as we could about the complexities of the microbiota and even if you read about the work of experts like Sonnenburgs, this is what they will tell you. "we simply don't know enough to risk losing it ". I actually contacted Erica Sonnenburg, the co-author of the Good Gut and asked her about the ability to restore lost populations in the gut but never heard back.....but I would have been surprised if she replied to be honest

I used to think this too but actually, people who consume more linolenic acid (main constituent of the vegetable fats) have overall better health. WHen you look at the long term data none of the theories against vegetable oils stand their ground and all fall to pieces whether it is AMD, cancer, diabetes, fatty liver disease or heart disease. Vegetable oils have not yet been proven to cause disease. It seems that the main reason why this is is the extreme content of antioxidants which cannot be said about shit food like butter and lard which is like consuming cyanide The only exception is when they contribute to obesity in excessive consumption which in itself is a risk factor for all cause mortality but in moderate consumption, vegetable oils are actually useful. But then anything eaten in moderation which would contribute to becoming obese is a risk factor for disease because it is no longer about the food but about destroying one's metabolic efficiency by carrying all that adipose tissue

Thank you for raising this thread! It is easy to forget that we are all here because of the man's dedication, commitment and love. Leo has changed the trajectory of my life 360 degrees and I am 1000 fold happier than I was 4 years ago having turned interest into a passion and into a profession. Thank you Leo! Your work has changed more people than you will ever know even thou in our arrogance many of us like to forget that.

^^ IMO jumping on aggressive chelation protocol without having done a proper clean-up and lifestyle optimisation for at least 6 months is like jumping in a whirlpool without ever bothering to learn to swim and hold one's breath at least 2 minutes.

Yeah, I do. If you are healthy and don't have any digestive issues with them I don't see a problem with eating as many fruits as you can, ideally whole and unprocessed. About the sugar topic? Well, there are several types of sugars. Complex sugars are digested slower (yes, this is a belief, I haven't measured this myself in a lab) than simple sugars such as orange juice. I'd preferably eat that orange whole but it is not a big deal in general.

@Yali I can't comment on that without tapping into my "beliefs" so I'll just say, stick to what makes you happy and what makes you feel good

Majority of sciences and many theoretical fields are belief-based. What's your point. Yes, a lot of what I know is based on the beliefs and work of other people because I do not have the skills, the knowledge and the finance to go verify that stuff for myself in lab experiments. By that line of logic, how do you know there is moon, Jupiter, Saturn? But we don't need to go and verify everything before we can lead a normal life or be able to help people. I am all up for practical experience and I experiment myself with a lot of stuff I teach my clients and many things I have been able to verify through experience with clients but granted, a lot of that is based on beliefs ....but I'm ok with that. Does that answer satisfy you?

if you asked me today (not in 2017) I would absolutely agree

@Yali lol yah, I did use to say a lot of whacky shit on this forum But then...this was made 5 years ago, many of my beliefs have changed since then - pretty sure there are at least 1000-1500 comments from me on this place since 2016 that I would cringe upon if I saw them again. Have none of your beliefs changed over the past 5-10 years with the addition of new life experience?

I duno about this. When you look at the faces of marathon runners what you see are men & women aged way beyond their natural age. Extreme endurance sports deplete antioxidants and actually accelerate ageing and telomere shortening. Agreed with what you posted below but I think we need to make a difference between whether the body mass is made of lean tissue or fat. As a guy, carrying some muscle protects you from a variety of health conditions including osteoporosis later in life (hip fractures are one of the leading cause of disability and death in senior citizens), it also protects your testosterone levels which in turn protects you from heart disease. Not to mention having that extra tissue means you have more mitochondrial density so your body can produce more natural energy and it also means having more insulin receptors and easier time balancing any blood sugar spikes. And finally, loss of muscle mass in older people (sarcopenia) has been associated with cognitive decline, drop of BDNF levels and risk of dementia so keeping that lean tissue up is super important for both men and women especially once we pass 50s Lot of endurance athletes end up with osteoarthritis and a rapid loss of lean muscle mass which isn't necessarily good for longevity and definitely not good for joints. Most of those studies focus on high BMI achieved by high body fat. They specifically target obesity in those articles. Ofcourse obesity is a risk factor for all cause mortality. But BMI elevated due to extra lean muscle tissue is not a risk factor (ofcourse you don't want to be jacked like guys competing on IFBB or power lifters and take anabolic steroids) but maintenance of some basic muscle density to older age and keeping up with some strength training along some cardio training will prolong your life and to a degree serve a protection from dementia & CVD

Is there any chance you are masking something under that overeating? Any emotional pain you're running away from?

@Yoremo acne has a strong genetic component and if one of your parents had it that's is higher odds of getting it too. Still, there much you can do The reason it affects you at 18 is because you have not finished your physical growth and so there is a lot of tissue and cellular growth stimulation. Your growth hormone, testosterone, mTor, DHT and all anabolic pathways arw stimulated at this age and often as a side product what happens is excessive proliferation of cells on the skin and acne starts forming up. Think about it as a collateral damage. You can sometimes control it fairly well to a degree but not always. The more refined your diet is the worse. Saturated fats are absolutely horrible for acne and so are refined carbs and in many people dairy. Get your diet as wholefood as you can. More towards plant based with limited amount of animal products from good sources. Ofcourse as a growing male you want to make sure you consume enough protein, calcium, zinc in food but a well balanced diet can match those needs. You may want to try going easy on dairy too. A high fibre diet may help control over expression of those androgen receptors that stimulate that dermal inflammation. Physical activity is important here too Keep your skin clean. Don't touch those blackheads with dirty hands, use some gentle cosmetics for it. I don't know much about specific creams for acne but it seems some people benefit from Azelaic Acid or Tea Tree Oil containing creams. Hope that helps

and that is why you should never google what elevation of single marker means because eventually, you'll either reach a point where you've either diagnosed yourself with cancer or other terminal illness. Elevation of single marker does not usually mean anything

Well, if you take the average man in the western country having a sedentary job and relatively comfortable lifestyle, chances are they'll have neat and soft hands because they do not make money through manual labour with exceptions of guys who do a lot of outdoor activity, climbing and a lot of weighted exercise. Skin adaptations such as thickness and calluses are protection against wear & tear, occupational damage and elemental exposure (e.g. marine type of work or work where one gets exposed to wind & sun a lot) If the issue is that your lifestyle is too comfortable, then start adding some challenges. Sign up to a gym, go hiking on weekends or find a bouldering area in your neighbourhood. Sign up for some volunteering that will get out to work in a terrain. You could even take martial art classes (ad advised above) if the aim is to toughen up a bit. I agree with you that having too comfortable and indoor type of life probably isn't the best and our bodies thrive from some challenges and some mild stress

@John Paul it's more like a past experience unfortunately with this The number of gainers, proteins, pre workouts and fat burners I have consumed as a teenager was quite something. Back then I had no regard for what's in the box and some of those fat burners contained like 30+ ingredients , most of them synthetic.

It's just that these things are extremely difficult to study or test. You can measure someone's calcium urine output and make some limited deductions based on that and you might be able to test serum calcium and make some deductions based on that but on their own these are not super reliable markers of how much is being absorbed as the body is always struggling hard to maintain an internal homeostasis. But let's give it a benefit of the doubt and say that there is some degree of calcium/potassium channel blockage, if it was severe we would see those outcomes on large human data. We would see that people eating nuts, seeds, legumes and wholegrains have advanced levels of premature osteoporosis, we would see that they have higher degree of kidney disease and maybe even other conditions that these groups would have you believe ....but the thing is we don't. Nearly all studies looking at what people eat over X-amount of time (called epidemiology or observational studies) show improvement of health,reduction of cardiovascular incidence, diabetes, cancer and stroke. On the other hand what we see is worsening of health with increased consumption of animal foods especially processed meat, beef, butter and to an extent dairy. And this is the same problem with seed oils. Regardless of what they sa...oxidation, peroxidative cascade, bla bla bla. Once you look at the epidemiology, these things are actually improving health when consumed in rational amounts. So what this boils down to is not some mechanistic speculation (e.g. this thing caused that in vitro and it makes sense mechanistically so it has to work like that in the body) but a complex biology of human bodies which cannot be replicated in lab experiments in most cases and where possible whenever discussing mechanisms we should be interested in human data first an foremost. In cases where there are no human data or lack thereof, mechanisms provide some basis for future research and we can discuss mice studies and rat studies but even in such cases conclusions should not be reached confidently

Depends on what they are based on. Usually, it is a combination of some concentrated carbs and some whey protein and some sweeteners, at least this is what gainers used to be in the past. But now I've seen gainers based on ground oats which sounds alright although I'd still just eat regular porridge. If you struggle with meeting your caloric demands with regular meals, I'd still play around with things like smoothies or maybe adding one more meal somewhere in there rather than chugging down dextrose and maltose-based powders containing god knows that ingredients.

It is fairly safe to take for an extended period of time but eventually, it would be ideal to rely on the intake from food. Plenty of foods are B-vitamin rich. B6 can sometimes be low in people who do a lot of dietary restrictions, there is no B12 on a vegan diet so you need to supplement and for women especially women looking to conceive it is important to get sufficient folate (B9) the 3 months before conceiving and also during whole pregnancy. Oh and typical medical tests for b-vitamins are completely unreliable unless they do specialists tests so that's something to bear in mind if you ever wanted to get tested. You need specialist tests

Are you eating the meat raw?

^ personally testified a profound self-transformation just around the corner

it isn't actually. You won't find human studies on harmful effect of any antinutrients. All of this is based on mechanistic speculation (in over 99% cases mechanisms fail when developing new drugs) but when people eat these foods their health goes up. The more whole grains, legumes and seeds people eat the better especially when the outcome are the diseases decimating the global population: Type 2 diabetes, cancer, heart disease & stroke.

I'm not a medical doctor, can't answer that question. @undeather might have some ideas.

Palpitations, anxiety & racing heart are potential side effects of this. Do you suffer from schisophrenia btw? because that is what this drug is mostly used for. Same for Zyprexa. Btw I know this is a super basic question but have you been regularly exercising, like 7 days a week? The effects that can have on your neurotransmitters (which is what they try to modulate with these drugs) can be as powerful as a cocktail of meds. Also, and I don't remember how this works exactly but during cardio exercise, your brain learns to disassociate the feeling of heart-pounding with anxiety & panic attack. Like it literally stops making that connection and it accepts that heart-pounding is just product of exercise and that it is actually good for you. There is also something going on with amygdala (the main fear & emotion centre) that starts utilising a different communication pathway when we exercise and it leads to reduction of anxieties and panic attacks as well as fear....don't remember the mechanism of how that works but it may be worth adding 30 minutes of something every day as another level of prescription. Ofcourse the breathing & meditative exercises that others have suggested also need to be included.

Some form of mild exercise may be helpful. Exercise can act as a natural analgesic to the body. It increases the concentration of endocannabinoids and there it increases an army of other useful molecules like dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine which may have some mild pain-soothing effect not to mention major mood-boosting effects. Now of course you don't want to go and do deadlifts with an injured back but finding something that works well and does not cause too much pain might be a great idea. But in the long run if there is some sort of mechanical issue (e.g. herniated disc, or spinal damage) it should probably be corrected surgically