Kelley White

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  1. @Ryan_047 Hi! So i hear a tiny seed of hope? You had a tiny tiny bit of emotion? Good for you! I mean, you have to be brave for mom and for Dad because of all these adult problems, and you as a kid don't want to be a bother? Is that perhaps the idea? I mean I don't know, I'm just wondering? So do you think you might be shutting down your feelings so you don't bother other folks? You're being brave? Again I don't know I'm just wondering? Maybe you think you are being weak and bothersome if you feel, like if you feel what is really going on, Dad's sick, mom's worried, money, if you really feel it all it might just be too much so you don't allow yourself to go there? Again, I really don't know, this could be me and my stuff...but a thought? Maybe just think about this and let me know what you think about it tomorrow? (It a lot to think about.) I am really proud of you that you followed through, thank you. How does it make you feel that you followed through? (Just think about this for a bit and see what comes without judging it.) Okay, so you just observed you are making someone feel better, telling them a joke, but not feeling anything? I want to be sure this is really 100% true. Why did you want to make her feel better? What feeling made you act and tell the joke to see her laugh? Can you name that feeling? @ModernSage posted some good shares. I use many of those myself. Sometimes, I can't make them work for me either. This sounds like serious clinical depression based upon situations you are going through right now. Now I say sounds, because just like you, I cannot diagnosis, and I know you are focused upon a specific diagnosis that you read about which you think sounds like it fits you. If you don't go to a Doctor who has studied these things for years? You are guessing without all the facts and skills and education to make that decision. I see three doctors right now okay? 3. They help me. So as a responsible adult and a mom and grand-mom myself, I am going to recommend again, that you talk to your mom and dad so they can get you some help. Don't just assume the only help will be medicine and don't just assume that all medicine is bad since sometimes medicine was bad. Now that is kind of some straight advice here, but I want to make sure you are safe and what you are describing sounds like you have very adult hings going on, and you are stressed and trying got be brave, but you need some help. Its okay to need help. So I hope you can re think about talking to your folks or another adult you trust in your physical area. I am going to make a suggestion that might sound like something very counter intuitive to do. Stop doing the research on anhedonia for awhile. There is a concept called the biology of belief. When you take psychology classes in colleges, they warn you, you are going to take this class and think you have every one of these diseases. Its really is true to some degree. These labels are tools to describe a spectrum of behaviors which may or may not fall within the range of what most folks do. What most folks do? We call normal. Now I don't know about you personally, there are some things most folks do, I'm rather glad I don't do. Anyhoo, focus on I am this, I have that, it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Have you ever thought that maybe rather than expecting yourself to feel, or feel positive while you're still a teenager and you have all these adult kind of responsibilities....get help from your folks, see a doctor and talk with your folks and the doctor about the options you feel best with, keep it simple and keep doing those few things you are doing and build on those successes when you can credit yourself or enjoy them? Tomorrows itsy bitsy becomes longer tomorrow. Some days we might go backwards. Other days, we might surprise ourselves. For me, I am trying to be very good about coming here, versus going other places right now so I stay positive and I have support. So I'm just going to let you think about these things and then you can let me know your thoughts when you feel ready. Okay? Thank you. I really appreciate you sticking with through this with me.
  2. Wow, I'm an artist, too many to pick just one in multiple mediums. I tend to actually express myself in combinations of film clips and music, so its a minute by minute thing. I adore absurdists, so I guess the prevailing musical theme would evolve from... http://www.shinedown.com/video/her-name-alice
  3. @luigi1994 Nice to meet you. I really like your question. Thank you. Just my own observations for what they may or may not be worth: I find the more I see these things, like power money, fame, entertainment? The more I view them as vehicles to be used to create stories which might provoke thought or change in a more positive way. Platforms, ideally platforms which balance quality with quantity which offer intrinsic value to be inclusive versus exclusive. So "power" is only a positive commodity if I give it way, use it to benefit others without the focus being. "Oh look at me, aren't I so charitable?" Money in my perception ideally would be a conduit principle. Its a tool. I am entrusted with it so I am responsible for wise stewardship and management of it, and if I exceed what I need than I feel a moral obligation to be the conduit and a source of flow so the money may be gifted in endeavors which better others and the planet. (investment in future generations.) Fame? Its an illusion. When you begin to get even a small amount of it, you realize your problems go from apples to oranges. You have to doubt people's sincerity, deal with stalkers, odd balls, people who create all sorts of realities about you that have nothing to do with you. People are fickle, its fleeting. Its the most painful illusion to awaken from of all by my small direct experience observation. Entertainment, to amuse the masses. Entertainment is a money equation. Cheaper to produce reality content for consumerism;s sake than it is to pay writers to write authentic content which in turn costs more budget to create. Instead they assure you its what you want to watch. I find your last statement true thus far. I can venture out there, but I like coming home.
  4. @Diane Welcome. It's so nice to meet you. You have an amazing story. Congratulations on overcoming so much to realize your personal dreams! I am very happy to set this intention with you for you to use this journal as a tool to maintain consistent with your own focus. Good Luck and keep us posted on how you do on the bar exam, please.
  5. @MIA.RIVEL thank you. You stated that very eloquently. I wholly am there with you.
  6. @Soulbass I appreciate your comment. 8 Months ago I couldn't leave my house let alone be in a social setting. Now I make myself go to a social event every week. In the past 8 months I have had to force myself to do many things. Some of them work out well, some of them not so well. I still keep confronting the fears aggressively. Thank you. I really appreciated your comment. Everyone else, great thread! @FindingPeace thank you for asking the question. I can relate. I learned several things from the thread.
  7. My Question of the Day.... To Bee? Or to Be? The nobler question? Is a man In motion Wiser Than a mind At rest Pondering motion?
  8. Good day! Thank you for taking the time to consider my question. Last night I watched a video in Leo's Advance Life Purpose Course. I then proceeded to two related videos in the free video section related to "blame versus responsibility" and "being a victim". During the first video I found myself really having a strong emotional reaction to some of the concepts due to the topics covered. Everything in me wanted to run, even though I listened I found myself beating myself up and becoming very depressed and self accusatory. How am I responsibility for my dad raping me from the time I was an infant? I may be an adult and responsible for my reactions in the now? Many of my reactions come completely out of nowhere. They take me by surprise and they are very emotionally strong. My suspicion is, this is where the work gets tough and the non committed get scarce or bail altogether. So rather than fall into that percentage due to resistance, I would like some creative brain storming and feedback. Before I delve into what I want the feed back related to? Here is what I do not want as a response: A video: Right now I'm trying to focus on Leo's material and the course because staying focused is a challenge. If I go off chasing rabbits its easy to avoid and not return to the real work at hand now. "Leo says..." If you want to reference one of his videos just name the title and tell me in your own words how its related to the question, I'll watch the Video. I want your thoughts and experiences. (Unless you are Leo. Then Leo is talking to me and using his words, I know its what Leo would really say.) Quotes from another Guru or speaker; I've read many of them and they can be easy to offer. I want direct experiences and interaction from people who might be working through or have successfully worked through the same things. Its concrete versus abstraction. However metaphor and allegory abstractions are welcome. What I do want: I want direct experiences and interaction from people who might be working through or have successfully worked through the same thing. Practical re framing and or tools to re frame the internal construct Reality checks based upon direct personal experiences. Here is what my observation is that I struggle with. I split. (Splitting in the psychological definition) I personalize I'm hyper aware I'm hyper critical of me. For example when I did the judgement worksheets my judgement of others were there for certain, but the judgement list of me? It did not closely match the list of judgements for others and it was significantly longer than the list of judgements for others. I was kinder to others than I was to myself. Here was my proof. I judged me for things I would be more understanding of others for doing. Now I'm going to provide a humorous example of how this flight fright responsibility thing kicks my ass in really stupid ways. I am at a public event which involves alcohol; and two men start fighting. I revert to training and experience, step in the middle stop the fight. No victim mentality at all, very serious situation, didn't have to fight, just talked the situation to rationality. Same evening, later at a party and everyone is playing this game that has dirty words on cubes. (Kind of like the erotic version of boggle only words for sentences versus letters for words.) I try to avoid playing. No that won't work. They are all having this thing called fun? I am wondering where my physics research is. That's fun. This? This seems like something ten year olds do; twittering over using naughty words with no understanding that when we write and speak we create reality. (My judgement based upon my observations of writing and speaking; I own that.) So now I'm standing in front of this group of folks and I'm looking at these cubes. My first thought? I'm a writer surely I can create a non sexual sentence out of something in this pile of wooden cubes mocking me? Not these cubes. These cubes are committed to their sexual identity and they are made of wood. They have no reservations being comfortable with themselves. I froze. I couldn't talk, I could move, I just stood there wishing I was invisible or that the aliens would beam me up,the ground would open up and just swallow me, I would gain the instantaneous superpower of invisibility... at that point I would have been ready for about any event that could have extricated myself from these deviant mocking little wooden cubes. I literally had an entire PTSD melt down over words on cubes. I was graciously rescued and talked through things so I could realize 1. I did not have to play. I could say no. I tried to play to please others and challenge myself, it didn't work do well. Again, taking responsibility. Now somewhere in my brain I am thinking bar fight? No problemo. Words on cubes in public? Kicks my ass. What is wrong with this picture? Was I a victim to wooden cubes? When triggered I default to one thing: Its ALL my fault. I am THE problem. I shame and blame alright, but my default as the target is me. Isn't this hyper-responsibility? When I have put myself in the situation with an abusive asshat and then I realize it, I am aware, I can craft a plan, and I may procrastinate, I may have fear, but I get it done. I can see and accept my own culpability in the chain so to speak, unfortunately often to the point I accept responsibility for everything negative that happens and that just takes me to the place the world would be better off without me place I go. In other words I lose sight of this person is an ass hat. I think of all the things they went through, all the ways I resonate and I don't want to be unkind, and then I default to the problem must be me and beat me up. Am I victim but a victim of my own shame's creation? In other words I continue the legacy of beating me up which is the training I revert to in stress just like I revert to protection in the bar fight due to military and law enforcement training? If we know we revert to training (conditioning) in times of stress and your conditioning was no sense of self? How do you balance 100% responsibility in away you don't emotionally eviscerate yourself with self loathing? How do you figure out who you are, when who you were supposed to be for someone else was all you were ever taught to focus on? I am also struggling to re-frame life in the context of reality and the point/purpose of life. I was in geriatric care, I know what awaits us all. I've spent time contemplating death and dying. On one level I get nothing matters, its all an illusion. I love Alan Watts, I get the concepts, of transition, merely changing energy form. Its scares me in one sense, in another, its like relief. I love contemplating multiple dimensions and all of that interesting stuff about what is real? Due to that study and decades of internal reflection and meditation and observation, I just don't see reality constructs the same as the average bear. I am experiencing tremendous existential angst because my framework of understanding reality has reached a place in development and study where I am fairly confident the answers will not be forthcoming in my awareness in this lifetime. When I ask my Dr.'s if I'm crazy? I hear no, You are very very smart and that's lonely, you need to find other smart people who can help you explore reality constructs. How do you know what is or is not real when your construct for reality becomes shattered? .
  9. @Ryan_047 My good Morning, your Good evening, How are you? So first I want to thank you. The book I'm reading is from Leo's course, so I'm not going to give away the title of the book...but the book is about heroes and the journey's they can choose to take. Its normally something I could get into really easily and I've been struggling since things don't seem like to much fun and I can't focus like you are feeling right? I had to wait for a friend during an appointment? I thought if Ryan can read for 15 minutes since he's 15, I should read for at least 53 minutes since I'm 53 to make it fair. So I sat in the waiting room and read for almost 50 minutes. The reason I stopped? A young girl with short red hair who looked to be about 16 or so came in with a stuffed bear that was bigger than she was, and we started chatting as she was showing me some of her artwork. (She was a very good artist) So I wanted to thank you for helping me make some progress in my reading. I hope you are doing well this evening, that your father is feeling a bit better and perhaps things are less stressful? How did you do with your reading? What was the most positive exciting thing about your day yesterday that made you feel happy for a moment? I look forward to hearing back from you @Ryan_047.
  10. Hi @Ade, Nice to meet you. Very brave of you to share this, it had to have been hard to write. Its a really good step. I'm so happy you are here and trusted us to share this with us. Thank you. I regret you are struggling right now. If you don't mind me asking you, what makes you not proud about having gotten a nose job? I've never had one, so I know nothing about them. I don't know your friends, but if your friends really like you for who you are? You are not your nose? You are your "knows," your personality your essence. I don't mean to diminish your feelings; its scary to take responsibility for things we've done. I can appreciate your fears. I have lots of scary things I have to take responsibility for. A couple of weeks ago? I made a very public mistake and I had to write a letter and take 100% responsibility for my actions. It was a hard letter to write. But I knew it was the right thing for me to do if I was going to be okay with me inside. Funny thing about that? Once it was done, I could let it go. I've also observed that quite often it ends up better than I feared. Quite often, I gain people's respect for having the courage. If you have good friends? They will love you and forgive you and support you, no matter what your nose looks like. As far as how you feel about you? You say your nose is representative of your insecurities. What insecurities does your nose represent for you?
  11. My observation is that sometimes people can engage in sexual activity with one another and not necessarily be "intimate" with one another. I prefer intimacy to "mutual masturbation" my reference to sex without intimacy. I was being somewhat funny and realize in hindsight my joke lacked clarity or context for those who don't know me. I call it mutual masturbation as, say the one night stand can be sex without intimacy. If someone wants to have sex without intimacy I have no judgment at all about that. I just think folks should be honest about it. LOL I kind of came up with it related to those guys that tell you they love you to get some and then never call again. I would have respected them more if they had just said, "I want to masturbate with you and never see you again." That would be honest. Anyhow, I see my lack of clarity in my comment. LOL
  12. Ah but there is "mutual masturbation" which may or may not be intimate?
  13. Hi @Sattu So I am going to just go through this line by line, you are a software engineer, you fell in love with a girl that was already engaged and she got married. Another woman expressed interest in you, but she is poor. This is where I get a bit confused and perhaps you can help me understand better? There are reasons you have that you cannot marry ( as in it is not possible) this woman ever, but she is telling you if you do not support her financially she will harm herself? You are paying her 5000 so she won't kill herself? (whatever your currency is, I'm not familiar with inr. I'm sorry.) You have your cousin's brother living with you and you're spend 10,000 on rent. Sounds like you are working all of the time? So I am not certain what your question is. Is it about how many hours you are working? Is it about the woman you are paying money but can't marry or she will hurt herself? By,"what is the end of this life?" Do you mean how does a life like this end? Do you mean is this a quality life to lead? Based upon what you have shared so far, it sounds like you do much for others I'm wondering what you do for you to make you feel good?
  14. @AviSex is physical for propagation of the species. Sexual intimacy is an interpersonal need related to a sense of belonging. If the intimacy need goes unmet, it can lead to depression, anxiety, loneliness, etc. As to the latter I am uncertain so I assume that if someone wants it moved the tech "Gods" will move it or let us know.
  15. Hi @OceanJjb Nice to meet you. I hear you. I hear you concern and your fears. I would like to meet you where you are right now and let you know I understand that fear. I was a CNA. I've done hospice and dementia work. I'm going to be 54 this year. I understand the fear of being alone and dying alone. I also understand the very real fear of aging and of death. I understand how demotivating it can be. You have stated your partner will die sooner than you. Is your partner ill currently? What leads you to be certain that your partner will die sooner than you? Age? That's the first thing I'm wondering? When we become aware of our own mortality? We become aware of the mortality of those close to us. My mom is concerned about these very things right now for bother herself and her husband. I have had periods where I feel the same way; I know other women right now in my own life struggling with this. Its a challenging thing to struggle with. I want to acknowledge that so you know I hear you and I know how scary it is. I personally am going to diverge from some of the advice of the other posters and suggest the book "Women Who Run with the Wolves" by Clarisa Pinkola Este's PHD. Its an amazing book of women's knowledge and oral tradition gathered from around the world and it deals with many of the predominant female archetypes. You can usually even find it in libraries around the world. The crone stage is where we come into our wildness and our wisdom and we can dance under the moon in hidden groves. (I know men get nice names, we get crone...but run with it. LOL) This is another life cycle you are entering. I personally think grieving lost youth is a normal part of the life cycle. Its okay to visit. Are you going to camp there until its time? That becomes the true question. I personally am facing the same struggle. What's the point when death awaits us all? I have only come up with one answer I can live with. Love. Until I am dead, I can love, I can be of service to others. Its the only answer I can arrive at that is 100% true. I don't know what your interests are when you feel less focused on the death question? I don't know what your faith is, or what your framework is for understanding life. What I do know? The minute I can get outside of my head and focus on helping someone else? I focus less on the fear of dying. Another option might be hormones. When you get older? Our system dumps estrogen and when it does that? You not only get some nice hot flashes but they come with panic attacks. You can wake up with them due to how your hormones work. I know nice way to start the morning. Something some of the younger ladies here may not be aware of yet. A visit to the doctor for a hormone level check and potential options might be enough to get you back on track. Being postmenopausal can lead to the same issues. I know because I dealt with that for about ten years. So I would recommend the book, I have not watched it yet but I am fairly confident Leo has a video about death in the free video section, so you might check that out. Otherwise I would recommend the other book and checking your hormone levels with a doctor as a place to start. Thoughts from a wee poet. LOL Take what works, get rid of what doesn't. I wish you the best. I really do.
  16. Thank you @ModernSage. These look like they might be very good tools. I have to get read for an appointment now, but when I come back I will try to check them out before I get back to coursework. Thank you so much for sharing them.
  17. @rrodriguez11 @Avi @Abeo Maria @Andrew @Aldo Marchand Great thread. I really enjoy your comments and observations. Some thoughts I've been throwing around related to people pleasing, my favorite mistake. LOL Let's say my passion, my heroic journey is being of service. Being of service is done from a place of consent and usually done from a space on non entitlement. It does not interfere. It does not insert itself without consent. It says I find you capable to resolve for yourself unless you ask for my help. It has limits/healthy boundaries which are respected. So in say Law enforcement you arrive, assess; will my actions make the situation better or worse? What is my business, what is the business of the others involved? What are the potential outcomes based up on different actions and one must do it within seconds. Life and death may depend upon it. You analyze, you also revert to conditioned training, feel and go. Other times? Its none of your business and you leave. You say not my tea party not my rabbits per the law. I'm not certain thinking prior to acting is preferable to feel and go without thought? Now in my professional life I was stellar at it. I had the law, I knew the rules to play by. In real life? My passionate heart wrote checks my good intentions couldn't cash. I am now learning to say no, learning to say yes but wait, and learning to save myself the guilt of being overbooked and incapable of delivering. I have to agree with many of the folks above, its hard to sustain in-authenticity very long. Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Who you are shouts out loud." People tell us who they are we just don't always want to believe them by my experience. At least I'm guilty as charged. LOL The only thing I would differ slightly with is that being scared, anxious, or nervous means your relationship with yourself is based upon fear. This is true in one context, so it may be meant in that context. However all of these feelings can also be valid and indicative of being in an unhealthy environment or situation, and perhaps its best to ask which is the case before just assuming that is unrealistic or abnormal and originating from within? My last observation is, the only time I really fear I appear I come across inauthentic is when I am worried about what others think of me. Now I know I am in Mind Reading land. Usually coming back to what is, or asking for a reality check makes it dissipate. My wee observations. Thank you for a really good question, and great thread everyone.
  18. @Ryan_047 Wonderful. Its late morning here. So yes, I will meet you here tomorrow and you can tell me how it went. Try to get a good night's rest as well. I hope you are reading something fun/interesting?
  19. @Ryan_047 Thank you. I'm glad you thought about it. I would not want you to do it unless it would be helpful to you. Now its a win/win for both of us. So today I will read at least fifteen minutes the book for Leo's class. If you want to do it now? Go ahead and do it now. I have a certain amount of time I spend in the forum and then I have an appointment. So I can do my reading this afternoon. I say just set the best fifteen minutes aside to read that works for you.
  20. @Ryan_047, Awesome! I like reading and I have a book I am reading for Leo's course. Thank you. You would be helping me. (Remember, I am right where you are, and I'm an adult. I don't think much is fun and I have a challenging time focusing as well. My thought was if we help each other? If we are accountable to each other "hey yeah, I'll try this thing? " we are both more likely to do it? What do you think? Helpful? Not helpful for you? I find sometimes its just nice to know someone is willing to do something with you as support. Encouragement. I don't know if that is helpful for you or not?
  21. OKAY @Ryan_047 Well,I liked coding,reading,playing video games,or study psyhchology and body leanguage.I am forcing myself to code every night but I can't focus more than 30 minutes and if I take a pause I become very lazy and don't want to continue anymore.Even so,sometimes I feel a little bit of pleasure..but very very little pleasure and it lasts for a few seconds.Today I spent some time outside,and I felt like nothing changed. Great! I hear you like: Coding Reading Video games Study either psychology or body language. You're forcing your self to code 30 minutes and getting very very little pleasure. Which means you are getting a mustard seed of pleasure right? An itsy bisty one. Now you're 15 so you have a 15 minute attention span. You are pushing your self 15 minutes beyond your attention span! Awesome for you! You might be being harsh calling yourself lazy when you are 15 and forcing yourself to go 15 minutes beyond what is average for your age? You might be above average if you are going above and beyond? What do you think about my observation? Do you want to reward yourself with 15 minutes of gaming, reading or study? You pick, I'll commit to do the same activity for fifteen minutes and we can check back tomorrow and see how it went. What do you think about that? You want to try it?
  22. Hi @Jonathanz Nice to meet you. Thank you for asking your question. My practical way for coping with envy is to do self inquiry which allows me to find the source of my perception of lack. Then I do the turn around and find things I am grateful for. I learn to appreciate what I have. I remember there was a time I had to have resources too survive, now I can be dependent and take care of me. I remind myself this can become entitlement which is an unkindness to others since it lacks communication and consent. I've also observe envy appears to be generally based upon a construct in my mind, not reality. I perceive someone else's reality as superior or of more value than my own due to an arbitrary assignment of value which is really a reflection of my own unmet desires. Just my observation but I'm a wee poet. ) Sometimes you find out the life you envied is not a life you would wish to live. Jealousy to me is an indicator I fear loss/abandonment in a relationship. If I am secure in the trust of the relationship why would I feel jealous? I don't normally struggle with jealousy, so for me when I experience it, its a red flag something else deeper is going on. Just my thoughts take what works, what doesn't, find something that does. LOL For someone who struggles with jealousy all the time, they may have a different approach. Now I know Leo has video's on jealousy, I have not watched them yet. This doesn't tend to be a huge area of struggle for me at present so my focus is on other things. You might try going to the Video's section and watching that video though to see what tips and tools he offers. Again ,thank you for your question and I wish you the best of luck as you work through this.
  23. @ModernSage I've not looked at all of you links yet, but you have used many videos which are favorites of mine as well. Thank you for this really awesome share. Its funny last night I was thinking about sharing the Sagan Video with Ryan as well. @Ryan_047 I hope you are having a better day today. I started the day with Leo's Deeper Mediation video. So I was thinking...what is one thing you used to think was fun or you were passionate about doing which you could do today even though you might not feel like it?
  24. The only thing I can share with you are experiences from my life. I'm mentally ill. At one time I was an addict. I was a medically induced addict who went on to pursue opiates to get through a very challenging traumatic emotional event in my life. I understand this, and I am learning to forgive me for causing harm to me and to others. I am not that same person anymore. I've changed. People can change. Its are they willing to change? When they do change? Are we willing to let go of their past and embrace their change? That is a trust issue. I have some children who feel I caused the harm and they prefer to not have a relationship with me, to trust me. They think of the me I was, not the me I am now. That is a logical consequence of my actions as an addict. While this causes me some pain? I understand they do not at this time seek resolution, and I respect that they are strong enough to say, "You are toxic to me, so I choose to care for me." In some strange way, it lets me know that despite any mistakes I made as a mother? I imparted to them a strong enough sense of self, they would do what is in their highest and best interest. I broke a generational pattern. They may or may not ever choose to decide to seek resolution. I choose to accept that. I love them and just want what is best for them. Right now being around me is not best for them. That's okay. There are times I fight it. I suffer then. I suffer from the "family should versus my family is... " What is real? I have other young people who do value me and I can focus on helping them or missing an illusion of what should be. (Trust me, I do this often. LOL) I have a challenging relationship with my mom. Sometimes we did not communicate. Some of those times, she felt I was toxic; some of those times, I felt she was toxic. Now we've grown and we have a wonderful email relationship. We don't expect one another to talk on the phone, we might trigger one another in real time and react. Instead we email so we can take time and pause, really think before responding. As a result, we are now very close. Some folks would think this an odd relationship. For us it works. Who cares what someone else thinks it should look like? You can only effectively communicate with someone capable of effective communication. When they don't communicate effectively, when they don't respect boundaries then I have to agree, no contact and keeping yourself healthy and safe seems the best course. I do it. I always struggle with it. I don't like being rejected, unforgiven, misunderstood, so its hard for me to cut someone toxic out. I want to think since I have changed that others can choose to change as well. That said? I also know when I get to the point I'm done? I can be pretty confident I've done everything I can to try to avoid being done. No now? Doesn't mean no forever. It might just mean make some distance for now and revisit it later to see if you feel differently or dynamics change. It might mean shutting the door and keeping it shut. You will know when and what you are ready to do...when you do it.
  25. @A way to Actualize Great share.