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@luckieluuke in scientology people worship because they are forced to worship. Because somebody told them if you don't bow down you will go to hell. Or smth like this. Everything there is based on beliefs and ideology. In Mooji's community no one ever tells to do such things. Simply some people out of their own, out of their gratittude without anyone forcing them, willingly bow down. That's a huge different. And even if someone in scientology felt genuine gratittude for Hubbard. It's still nice. It's nice for that person. That person who bowed downed felt sweetness of love for a few moments and that's great. It's an amazing feeling. It's not about what you worship it's about you. You chose whatever object you like and you bow down to. It doesn't matter what. You like Hitler you bow down to him. It's not about the Hitler, it's about you experiencing huge love within you. Hitler is just a tool to generate that emotion within you. Mooji doesn't care if people worship him or not. He often says please avoid pretentious bowing downs to me. But if it's a genuine longing for you, i don't want to deny that possibility to experience joy and love for yourself. Honestly, it's impossible for you to understand what it feels to feel devotion untill it happens to you. When i met Mooji face to face, tears of love were rolling like a river for me for him. At that moment bowing down at his feet would have been the most natural thing for me, the sweetest thing also. It's something that you cant understand untill the consciousness of a sage, the presence of the devine being washes you over like a sea washes over a pebble.

One way is by doing selfless activity, volunteering.

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@legendary juat two different paths. They don't disagree wih each other they just use different methods to reach enlightenmemt. There are different methods for different types of people. Disagreement would mean if Bhuddhist would come and say chakras don't exist. But you won't find that kind of statement anywhere. @Markus +1

@Shin If you're genuine you bow down to everything and everyone. An ant, an elephant, a tree, a sky, a rock, a neighbor, a guru. Everyone and everything. "Passion for others, dispassion for yourself" #sadhguru @Shin you simply have inseciurities of feeling inferior aka, interiority complex., Aka, you're too full of yourself

There is no line. Bowing down to your masters feet is the sweetest feeling and the greatest joy for a devotee. It's simply impossible for you to understand now untill you remove that self-importence and "everyone should be equal" mentality. "Passion for others, dispassion for yourself, the highest quality" #sadhguru

@Nahm i understand that I'm consciousness ever present, ever perfect, etc... I'm not arguing with you at all. All you say i agree. But you simply don't know anything about karma. That's why it's a pointless conversation. @AstralProjection somethingness is always limited. all the magic powers, all immortality is something and somethingness is always limited. There's no other way. It's unbrakeable logic to say only nothingness has no limits. It's impossible for this to be false. Yeah i was hard on him but i wish i was even harder because his full of bull. No.... Advanced spiritual masters dont disagree with themselfs. Only fools and phylosophiers like tom come up with random statements which make no sense. He even uses words like "I think"… "i guess" "that's my opinion" like that... He's just a random phylosopher. A guru is not a phylosopher, guru knows life inside out from experience. What a guru says is not ant opinions it's a fountain of truth. There are scriptures written thousands of years ago by realized beings and since then nothing changed at all, nothing new has been sayed. Everything that could happen here and beyond is all written down and it stayed the same until now . If two spiritual masters disagree then one of them is a fake guru who knows nothing at all. Basic logic... Either you know the truths of life or you're speculating about life and are unwilling to say idk. Truth is the same for everyone. If both know the truth they will not argue.

Nobody is a forcing you kiss his feet. Some people have so much gratittude for him, they say Thank you Mooji, what you gave me is priceless, Thank you from the bottom of my heart and then he bow downs out of this gratittude.... It's nothing cultish at all. It's gratittude, and it's very beautiful. All the arrogant idiots think it's abnormal to have gratittude for your master.... Btw I've been in his Ashram in Portugal that article is a fucin joke...

That's impossible. Once you're aware that you're limited, you will want to brake that boundary. No one can be satisfied living in bondage, the desire is always to become limitless. Thats the ultimate law of consciousness. It's never satisfied until it become boundless. You can never find full fullfilment with any experience. Because every state is limited doesn't matter how beautiful it appears to be. Only nothingness has no limits. To be limitless one has to become nothing, cease to exist forever, cease all cycles of birth and death. It's a longing that every human being has. That's not how it goes. People who are suffering they don't seek mukti. They only seek pleasure and happyness. They want fancy nondual experience, to be free from the torture of the mind. But they don't want to dissolve no no no Only those people who tasted this life totally. Who are blissful always, only for those people a desire to cease to exist arises in them. A desire to become boundless arises in them. Untill then every spiritual seeker just pretends to seek liberation when in fact they just wants happyness and be free from suffering. When you reach happyness then the next desire becomes cease to exist, become boundless, Mukti. "Suffering will not seek" #sadhguru

Fear comes because you're too concerned about your self image. You may not like the answer but the answer is self abandonment. Only when you don't think anything of yourself then only other people's opinions will not mean anything to you. That's the only way. When you have no opinion about yourself you have nothing to defend. When you're full of ideas about yourself, then you want to maintain a self-image reputation, status, etc.. every action that you take, every word that you say you're concerned about how it makes you look , this is where all the anxiety comes from... Unless you abandon your self-image you'll be tortured by it endlessly. "Passion for others, disspassion for yourself, the highest quality" #sadhguru P.S. Self love is bull( I'm saying this before someone else comes here with this advise for you)

Am I the only one who thinks Leo doesn't fit very well in that show?

@Nahm lol... You have a lot to learn about karma yet... I understand what you say. Consciousness is always free... But that's not enough. Even if you're in nondual state where nothing can touch you and there's no suffering. You're still not free. Karma is holding you in this body like a bondage and karma will not allow you to escape. You will reincarnate endlessly untill you brake all your attachments in this world, untill you reach perfect equanimity, no cravings no aversions, no movement at all in your mind, that's the end of karma and that's the ultimate state of freedom. Not a nondual state or samadhi but to end the cycles of reincarnation. That's Mukti, mahasamadhi or ultimate liberation. This is a dangerous territory for me to speak about since I don't have crystal clear understanding in this. But it's also the most amazing, and the most advanced teaching. Which very rare enlightenment beings talk about. I know only Gautama the Bhuddha and sadhguru are the only two people who goes this deep.... I'm sure there are plenty of others but not into mainstream.

This is messed up... How can there be no liberation? If there's bondage there's bount to be a liberation. Consciousness may be evolving infinity without ever reaching "done" But karma is just memory and cycles. If you keep dissolving all cycles of course you'll reach 0. It's just common sense. Also i don't think he means karma when he uses word "entropy". Too bad my understanding of this subject and articulation is not crystal clear, otherwise i would smash that guy pretty hard... I think he is not tauching the subject of liberation. He's just claiming that there's no limit to what human consciousness can do. Which is very much likely to be true. But at the end he says there's no end, you'll come back again and again... Well i don't understand how he came to that conclusion. He's just makes pretty random statements i think. He says consciousness is ever evolving... Okey it's true. And then he says, because consciousness is ever evolving you can't brake the cycles........ This is just ridiculous statement which makes no sense. ever evolving consciousness and it's possibilities has nothing to do with braking samsaras. I also get the idea that he thinks becoming love is the highest goal.... Which is pretty ridiculous again... It feels like he has no idea about anything, he's just phylosophyzing random ideas. Does he even meditate? Or he's just a phylosopher? Anyways.... I wish @Arhattobe was around. He has a very comprehensive understanding of Bhuddhism and karma...

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No i mean you will buy a poster, put on your wall, enjoy for a few days and then you will stop working for you, you'll forget it's even there I mean the post will produce some feelings to you for 3-4days then you'll just forget about it. It's always like this. don't you agree? You put a nice wallpaper on your computer or phone, you think "wow awesome picture" then after a few days you don't even notice its existence

I think you'll forget the post in a few days and nothing will change If you want to cultivate love there're better ways to do it. But if you have someone dear to you. Someone like a Ramana Maharshi or a guru. Get a picture of him and place it in your room. That could work if you have such a being in your life that is dear to you.

Wow. That's a strong choice you've made. If you ever need help desciding where to start you can ask me I've done these programs myself It's indeed extremly grounding. When i first started doing his Yoga, my first thought was "this is the first time in my entire life where I'm doing something for balance" it's extremly noticable You'll be fine, you're doing great progress. Now the sadhana pada is over you should feel some benefits coming up in this month. Well Isha path is complete by itself. I don't think there's another path so comprehensive and fast because everything that is done in Isha is done with sadhguru's grace which makes it what it is. It's not just a practice. If you give yourself totally to it, it becomes your whole life. It feels like you're carring whole Isha with you wherever you go. That's the greatest reward for me. ? Thi-chi is fine and beautiful. (If you can find a true master, i think Mantak Chia is one of them) Ayurveda is also a very powerful system. Extremely good for health and all imbalances. Shamanic breathing i would avoid this one. It's not designed for anything. It's just a random breathing with random effects.

Hi There's one quote from sadhguru that comes to mind when I read your post. "If you dismantle your psychological without the necessary balance, you'll go crazy" #sadhguru I think it's relevent here because you started questioning reality and it was a horrible thing for you. it takes some maturity I think, and mental balance to stay sane when your reality gets shattered, when your understanding and psychological structure beggins to crumble. The whole work of Isha is highly focused on preparing people to bring the necessary balance, necessary maturity and stability so that when sadhguru shatters all your illusions you're still able to function and be peaceful and balanced and well otherwise you'll just go mad. I think you're already doing great progress in your mental stability which is what you're looking for i think. That's the healing that you're looking for. You want to go into madness and still be sane. You want to shatter your illusions and still be functional in the world. That's what shambhavi means. Shambhavi literaly means twilight meaning you see the beyond but you're still rooted and balanced in the physical.

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"how do I become willing to do something I don't like" If your wellbeing is not descided by outside situations, if you take charge of your wellbeing from within, you'll be able to do what is necessary effortlessly. #sadhguru

@oysterman nice i participated also. Stayed awake till 5.40am The sadhana pada is over now. This should be the time to reap the benefits of whatever meditation practice you did during past 6months

Lol. That's true Let me correct myself: "basic sense"

First of all sorry for my tone Second of all sorry i didn't pick on your weed topic. There's two things here. one is something to do with weed. and second thing that I picked on is how overly excited you're about some stupid tingling sensations on your forehead. and how you try to give to much meaning to it. Like something crazy is happening. When nothing is happening at all. Those quotes are very relevent to all the people who experience some tiny sensation and then go on pumping and exaggerating that experience into something extraterrestrial. Like you are doing now... only to a smaller degree. It's just common sense with an arrogant tone

It's nothing at all. It's just you amusing yourself. The faster you realize this, the better. There's huge tendency to exaggerate things in human mind. Especially this kind of stuff like energy, chakras, lucky numbers, astrology, ghosts, spirits etc. "Stupid people will be the first ones to see ghosts, inteligent ones will always look around and wonder" #Sadhguru. Once you say a third eye will make you see other dimensions, all the stupid people will be the first ones to see that all the inteligent ones will just be confused and wondering Tho it's a sign of progress, keep doing what you're doing