Salvijus

Aaa, okey. Now i got what u were trying to say. But this is also just your opinion. My opinion is different. I think there are some things that are universally true to everyone. Like everyone seeks freedom. I think that's a universal statement applicable to everyone. Some are concious of this fact and some are not. And that it takes a certain maturity and wisdom to recognize the authenticity of buddha's teaching. I think that's a fair statement too that could be universally true. It is definitely hard to see for a beginner why dissolution is the most liberating thing. I never would've understood it few years ago. Was too dumb.

@Raptorsin7 yea opinions are sometimes very close to being true and sometimes super far away from being true. We don't know how close tj revees's opinion was to truth but my personal opinion is very different then his.

@SOUL i didn't get any of that. "not smart enough to recognize the wisdom" is just my sloppy framing of what was really sayed.

He forgot to mention that it's just his opinion and he doesn't fully understand neither budhhism nor christianity

@Raptorsin7 you're trying so bad to put christianity above buddhism lol. In the end u don't know. And i don't know. Better not to take sides. Just be open, grow and enjoy both perspectives until u become wise enough to see that they are both equally valid. (I assume that's what happens when u become really concious, debatable)

@SOUL Christians say if u don't believe me you'll go to hell. Buddhism says, there is a stage of development where all doubts in dharma wanish. Until that point u need little bit of faith bc you're not smart enough to see the truth of it yet. That's very different then christianity imo. I think it's pretty fair also.

@Raptorsin7 it's from heaven ?

? Daoists preach immortallity. A strange religion aswell.

at least in christianity i can drink grape juice ?

? this is well put. The simplest translation for shoonya is probably primordial awareness. A quality of zen. All things arise and pass away inside this void. This void is dimensionless and beyond time. That is shoonya. It's not just a mode of perception really. It's a phenomena of its own. All modes of perceptions are inside this primordial space. Not sure if i followed the second half of what u sayed ?

@Raptorsin7 U don't get to be sceptical about such matters now ? It's like a kindergardener trying to be sceptical about quantum physicst theories ?

True, idk. I think his path is of bodisatva. There are a group of buddhist who don't go into full nirvana and stay a stage lower. They practice love and compassion very similar to Jesus. And they stay around to help people evolve. Just like jesus. I think Jesus is just creating an army of bodisatvas. That's his way, his path and there's a certain wisdom behind that. It's just a theory tho, idk.

Bliss is just a passing stage in buddhism. Buddha says don't cling even to that. Even that is suffering. Go beyond everything. Even heaven ?

Shonyata is not bliss. It's nothingness. Beyond all qualities. There're no qualities in shoonya. Bliss is heaven. Shoonya is beyond heaven. Primordial space. The core of existence. No taste, no smell, no touch, no feeling, no bliss, no nothing. Also i didn't understand your argument why eliminating desires is considered nihilism.

In buddhism it is also sayed that only those who enter deep states of attainment of nothingness can only start understand why buddha was right. And doubts about the path dissipate. A normal person has no chance or brain close enough to grasp such crazy ways.

@Someone here i don't think buddha was a pessimist. My theory is that it takes enourmous wisdom to understand why nirvana is biggest liberation. And it's very hard to understand why. He sayed even heaven is suffering. Even realms of heaven of eternal ecstacy is suffering. What kind of crazy dude would say that? What kind of wisdom does it take to give up bliss and extacy for nothingness? Crazy much wisdom it takes i believe.

A can't remember the details but basicly there are like 12realms with a body and gross existence that u can reincarnate to. Then like 10realms where we exist just as pure mind without a body. And some even subtler levels there are. We humans are living in 5th layer of existence. Which is pretty close to hell actually. That would explain why there is so much suffering on the planet bc we are in a very low dense plane right now. If u move high enough u can't fall down anymore. Some planes of heaven are not eternal, u can still fall down back to bodily planes. Buddha says that even heaven is suffering and one should go beyond all heaven into total freedom/nirvana. I learnt all this info from Goenka vipassana retreat guy.

Buddhism have like 33lokhas or realms after death. Places of heaven and hell. Nirvana is not heaven. Nirvana is beyond heaven. Beyond all 33lokhas or planes of existence.

@kray u managed to call sadhguru, his parents and his followers dumb brainless losers in one swoop. gg ??very concious take.

How do u define a car? How do u define a house? I tried to contemplate these questions and realized u can't define anything in existence perfectly. Definitions are a made up thing anyways. U can define things whichever way u like it. But for practical purposes it's probably better to have a consensus upon each definition.

@Raptorsin7 well yea, avatar literally means an incarnation of god i think so...

The better translation for no-self would be. "The self IS nowhere" this would be the most accurate describtion of enlightenment imo. It implies that the self exists and doesn't exist at the same time. Which is how it truly is. Edit. The self is nowhere and also everywhere. The source of self is nowhere, the manifestaion of self is everywhere. The source of self is formlessness, the manifestaion of self is form. Formlessness can exist without the form, form cannot exist without formlessness. Formlessness is king. (I should put this on my signature)

They are the same thing actually. But it's hard to explain how. Who makes the realization that existence is void of self? Pure awareness/The Real Self is making that insight that there is no self anywhere. One who realizes no self automatically becomes aware of undiscribable, immeasurable Nothingness, aka the Real Self. And one who becomes aware of the Real Self, nothingness, void. Automatically realizes that there is no tangable self in existence. Everything is just passing and going away in nothingness. They are the two sides of the same realization.

Im suprised u made it through actually ? really cool

You don't really need any tips. Just arrive like a clueless wanderer and you'll be okey ? I'm considering doing a 3rd vipassana retreat also next month. 1.A banket could be nice if it's cold in your country. Usually early mornings can be cold a bit. 2.Taking showers everyday is helpful to stay fresh and maintain mental balance. 3.Walking bare foot or lying on the grass is helpful also. 4. Don't go with the impression that the retreat is dificult. 10days is designed for beginners. Every noob can go through it with a little bit of detremination Good luck