Salvijus

@SOUL tcare

That's actually the first decent criticism i heard on this thread so far. I was thinking the same thing that 3.40 in summer is very different then 3.40in winter. And what about all the time changes etc. All this rises many questions. But at the same time im not quick to dismiss it bc there could be some truth to it imo. I just think he wouldn't bother making up lies just to get sick pleasure out of it. Plus his explanation is convincing enough that there could be some truth to it. At least for me.

Yea yea, he's so evil, deceiving people is his highest pleasure, he can't get enough of it. Very smart perspective indeed ?

@SOUL i have no idea what that has to do with anything ? sorry i have a hard time understanding u. But i don't think what u sayed disproves the statement: "to be able to see the truth of buddha's teachings, it takes a certain maturity in conciousness" i think it's a fair statement but u seem to dislike it and then write smth about it that i don't understand ? my bad.

@How to be wise what's so obviously nonsencial about it? I don't get it. All he sayed was that human system functions differently at different times of the day. Which is an obvious fact known to everybody and easily provable. Even plants and insects behave different at different times of the day. And second thing he sayed that a particular time is most useful for initiated practitioners because of that reason. How are u so sure that all of it is bs? I bet u have no argument at all. U just didn't like it. That's your only argument probably lol.

@Loba In acim it is sayed the qualification for entering heaven is to be able to maintain holy instant throughout the day. The presence of love that Jesus can teach u, if u can maintain that 24/7. U become eligible for heaven. But probably by the time u reach that place, all your thoughts about suicide will be long gone, as it should ?

Aaa, okey. Now i got what u were trying to say. But this is also just your opinion. My opinion is different. I think there are some things that are universally true to everyone. Like everyone seeks freedom. I think that's a universal statement applicable to everyone. Some are concious of this fact and some are not. And that it takes a certain maturity and wisdom to recognize the authenticity of buddha's teaching. I think that's a fair statement too that could be universally true. It is definitely hard to see for a beginner why dissolution is the most liberating thing. I never would've understood it few years ago. Was too dumb.

@Raptorsin7 yea opinions are sometimes very close to being true and sometimes super far away from being true. We don't know how close tj revees's opinion was to truth but my personal opinion is very different then his.

@SOUL i didn't get any of that. "not smart enough to recognize the wisdom" is just my sloppy framing of what was really sayed.

He forgot to mention that it's just his opinion and he doesn't fully understand neither budhhism nor christianity

@Raptorsin7 you're trying so bad to put christianity above buddhism lol. In the end u don't know. And i don't know. Better not to take sides. Just be open, grow and enjoy both perspectives until u become wise enough to see that they are both equally valid. (I assume that's what happens when u become really concious, debatable)

@SOUL Christians say if u don't believe me you'll go to hell. Buddhism says, there is a stage of development where all doubts in dharma wanish. Until that point u need little bit of faith bc you're not smart enough to see the truth of it yet. That's very different then christianity imo. I think it's pretty fair also.

@Raptorsin7 it's from heaven ?

? Daoists preach immortallity. A strange religion aswell.

at least in christianity i can drink grape juice ?

? this is well put. The simplest translation for shoonya is probably primordial awareness. A quality of zen. All things arise and pass away inside this void. This void is dimensionless and beyond time. That is shoonya. It's not just a mode of perception really. It's a phenomena of its own. All modes of perceptions are inside this primordial space. Not sure if i followed the second half of what u sayed ?

@Raptorsin7 U don't get to be sceptical about such matters now ? It's like a kindergardener trying to be sceptical about quantum physicst theories ?

True, idk. I think his path is of bodisatva. There are a group of buddhist who don't go into full nirvana and stay a stage lower. They practice love and compassion very similar to Jesus. And they stay around to help people evolve. Just like jesus. I think Jesus is just creating an army of bodisatvas. That's his way, his path and there's a certain wisdom behind that. It's just a theory tho, idk.

Bliss is just a passing stage in buddhism. Buddha says don't cling even to that. Even that is suffering. Go beyond everything. Even heaven ?

Shonyata is not bliss. It's nothingness. Beyond all qualities. There're no qualities in shoonya. Bliss is heaven. Shoonya is beyond heaven. Primordial space. The core of existence. No taste, no smell, no touch, no feeling, no bliss, no nothing. Also i didn't understand your argument why eliminating desires is considered nihilism.

In buddhism it is also sayed that only those who enter deep states of attainment of nothingness can only start understand why buddha was right. And doubts about the path dissipate. A normal person has no chance or brain close enough to grasp such crazy ways.

@Someone here i don't think buddha was a pessimist. My theory is that it takes enourmous wisdom to understand why nirvana is biggest liberation. And it's very hard to understand why. He sayed even heaven is suffering. Even realms of heaven of eternal ecstacy is suffering. What kind of crazy dude would say that? What kind of wisdom does it take to give up bliss and extacy for nothingness? Crazy much wisdom it takes i believe.

A can't remember the details but basicly there are like 12realms with a body and gross existence that u can reincarnate to. Then like 10realms where we exist just as pure mind without a body. And some even subtler levels there are. We humans are living in 5th layer of existence. Which is pretty close to hell actually. That would explain why there is so much suffering on the planet bc we are in a very low dense plane right now. If u move high enough u can't fall down anymore. Some planes of heaven are not eternal, u can still fall down back to bodily planes. Buddha says that even heaven is suffering and one should go beyond all heaven into total freedom/nirvana. I learnt all this info from Goenka vipassana retreat guy.

Buddhism have like 33lokhas or realms after death. Places of heaven and hell. Nirvana is not heaven. Nirvana is beyond heaven. Beyond all 33lokhas or planes of existence.

@kray u managed to call sadhguru, his parents and his followers dumb brainless losers in one swoop. gg ??very concious take.