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Vivek Ramaswamy kicked out from DOGE. Seems that that was not his team.

I'm reading today is the anniversary of the brutal murder of the six-year-old girl Hind Rajab. Not that her life mattered more than the other thousands of children that have been killed, but she has unfortunately become a symbol because the way she died showed so much about Israel, for anyone who still had doubts. The girl was inside a vehicle with her dead family members, she managed to get a phone and ask for help. Palestinian authorities thought there was no way Israel wouldn't allow the rescue of a child. Wrong. They communicated with the IDF and asked permission to rescue the girl giving them her location and informing that they were heading there. The permission was granted and a safe pass given, so two paramedics volunteered to go, their names were Yusuf Zeino and Ahmed Al-Madhoun. The vehicle where Hind was filled with bullets and the ambulance of the paramedics was blown, both of them died too. There are some more examples of Israel's crazy cruel actions last year, like the flour massacre, the just-born twins whose father was registering their names blew up in their homes, the burning camps, the mass graves in the hospitals, the seven Western aid workers, and many I don't remember. Those were the easy ones to document for one reason or another, obviously, thousands of more have happened inadvertently for the public eye. There are also the Israeli civilians' images, contributing as best as they could by stopping aid trucks and destroying food that was heading to Gazans, they wanted to kill them by starvation. Now we see Hamas hostages getting out of their captivity in good health, in contrast with the Palestinian ones that are getting out in deplorable conditions. This all started because Zionists claimed a land for them to occupy by foreigners, which was inhabited and took it by violent ethnic cleansing campaigns of the indigenous people that have been going on for decades. It's not self-defense, it's attack, the Palestinians are defending themselves from these murderers who kill them, and their children, cut their olive trees and their right to develop any livelihood, steal their homes and lands, and have them in apartheid conditions at best in permanent danger of being killed because there's no repercussion at all for their captor's when they do it. This is USA's shame, because they enable it with money and weapons, without them, it just wouldn't be possible.

Good, the last thing they need is to elect a Western puppet like Ukraine did to let NATO in to try to debilitate Russia with a conflict fueled by their meat, I mean men. There's no real good reason for them to be on bad terms with Russia, which is more powerful big neighbor, but it's not only about that. Ukraine wouldn't even have lost Crimea, but it's not their fault, there was a cue, and a total Western destabilization movement that worked. Electing stupid clowns is costly, look at Milei and wait for the second term of Trump, but it's usually an economic price. Ukraine paid a too-high price for electing this cocaine addict shithead, hundreds of thousands of dead men, and 20% of the territory gone.

Yeah, I did in another thread, here they go again. The still images of Obama and others, once seen in motion video, they don't look like the fascist salute anymore. Elon's salute in motion does both times, it's identical.

He associated himself with Nazis with that salute, it means what it means. He can say he is trolling, but these kinds of trolling often have truths underneath, and researching a bit his origins and family history, it quite fits. All neonazis and white supremacists see him as one of them, it was more subtle until now, although his engagement on X was in that spectrum. So what are we supposed to think? That he is not a Nazi? Well... He is the head and face of his companies, Tesla, SpaceX and X, so he represents them and his products. He is also a public servant now, he works for the US government. As a leader, he should think twice of what he does, but the guy seems gone. At this point, I think it's a mix of Asperger's syndrome, compulsive lying disorder, drug use or abuse, and other mental problems like narcissism or main character / god complex. He has money, power, influence, and a large number of followers that defend, and excuse him no matter what he does, that is true.

I'm listening these two guys, I think their conversation belongs in this thread too. They advocate for a one state solution, they autoidentify as Palestinian Jews who want to stay and coexist in peace.

Interview with an Arab Jew from Israel, very critical of Zionism, and what it meant for his real roots. He opposes the usual argument that Arabs kicked Jews from their countries, but that it was something the Zionists wanted, sought, and provoked in every way they could. He also discusses more recent events.

That's the Nazi salute, man.

He didn't say any of that, he just did the Nazi salute to the crowd, twice. You're just making things up. People can move however they want and say what they want, but expect backlash. Freedom of speech is not that you say the shit you want and full stop, the second part is that people can oppose those ideas. Even more if they go against the integrity of other people, like racist ideas, and we have so much past evidence of the violence used by those groups. I don't mean ancient history only, but the daily news.

Total Nazi. Can you imagine showing this to the brave American soldiers that gave their lives to fight Nazism in Normandy and all that? They would be so proud of their country. For sure.

This practice should be banned, for the risks to the trainers and caretakers, and for compassion to the animals. Orcas live in the ocean and have their own social groups and dynamics. Pools are in no way adequate for them to live, they are lifelong water prison cells, and they shouldn't be our sea clowns. Awful.

This is for trying to outcompete Republicans on the right. They handed such an easy opportunity to Trump, and he took it. Two opportunities, with the ceasefire getting done too.

Gaza is still an open-air prison surrounded by the IDF, Hamas still exists, and it won't be in shortage of recruits after all that happened. The mutual hate has multiplied. Anything will trigger the other, it's a volatile situation.

Nah, veganism is not expensive. The only required supplement is B12, which is incredibly cheap. It's so cheap, that it's included in every farm animal feed, which is where non-vengans obtain it too secondhand. Our health is fine, thank you for your concern, guys. Whatever they charge us more for a plant-based milk, which doesn't get as large subsidies as cow milk, we make it up by not buying one of the most expensive items in the basket, which is meat, also very heavily subsidized. The talked meat alternatives are in pair in cost to meat, and it's not something most vegans eat in excess anyway, I don't, but as treats here and there. Most vegans, including myself, do it mostly for the animals, it's an unnecessary slaughter nowadays.

They've destroyed all the infrastructure of Gaza and heavily decimated the Palestinian population, but it's true they haven't won. I don't know how things will unfold from this, but I don't see peace even in the short term. Israel has lost support worldwide, but is still backed by the US. We'll see, all eyes on Gaza.

Back to the recent events, more on topic. The ceasefire is good because the ongoing slaughter should reduce significantly, hard to believe it will stop though. There should be a hostage exchange, good for them. But the conflict continues, I'm afraid. Zionists still want the whole land, and Palestinians don't want to leave it. Hamas has gained support for resisting, and the new generations of Israel are as moderate as Ben Gvir. They want to settle in Gaza as much as in the West Bank. This is not over.

Then again Palestinians paid the price for something they didn't do. Nope, Zionists needed to increase the Jewish numbers, and promoted the migration of all Arab Jews they could. If Zionists want a land for Jews, that's not the Palestinian people's fault. Palestinians have the right to live in peace in their land, which has been broken. What has happened in Gaza last year is a shame for humanity, we have all seen it.

It was another place being decolonized from the British empire, as many more during that time. Unfortunatelly for them, instead of the native inhabitants receiving the land, it was decided by foreigners that it would be a Jewish ethnostate, in reparation of the wrongs done to them by the Nazis. Palestinians didn't displace Arab Jews, it was the other way around. In an attempt to increase Jewish numbers, Zionists promoted the displacement of Arab Jews to Palestine too, as much as European Jews. Jews were living relatively well in Muslim areas, not everything would be perfect, but quite harmonious in general. Tensions arised when Zionists started killing Palestinians and stealing their land, which is not a surprise. If Muslims did that in any country of Europe, I'm sure hostility towards them would increase too. Which wouldn't make it okay, but the complete frame would have to be acknouwledged at least.

But this self-determination was practiced in an inhabited land, without their consent. Based on the Jewish ethnicity, but pure colonialism of foreigners and ethnic cleansing of the locals, that's what has been happening for the last 75 years and last year in particular was another crude episode of it. So people acknowledge the rights of these Palestinians, of course. Buying territory in foreign countries is accepted, it happens in the frame of business or people just to live somewhere else, but that doesn't give the right to claim a new state there, you have to abide by the laws of the countries you move into. There was the British decolonization going on then, that was replaced by the Jewish colonization, which was even worse, because not only they were aiming to control the land and the resources, but blatantly replace the inhabitants of there, who have the right to resist these attacks.

Palestine was inhabited, Palestinians are the indigenous people of that land. They don't have to pay for the wrongs done to Jewish people by Europeans. If you hit me, I don't have the right to hit a third person, that's insane.

Yes I did.

I told you that their right still stands, and it hasn't been exercised before because they haven't been allowed to. We are still talking about an 80-year timeframe, many closer, it's a person's lifetime, still easily trackable. Of course I don't equate this to a 2000-year-old claim of a land that was inhabited. It was pure violent colonialism, the Palestinians were living there minding their businesses, getting out of the British empire, and the Zionists decided unilaterally to claim their land and get all Jews they could from the world to live in there, so they built their ethnostate. It was a slaughter and many Palestinians left as refugees. 2000-year-old episodes are not reasonable to ask for a land, directly responding to your question. Now relativize this all you want, why this yes, and why that no. I would call it common sense. So much shit has happened in the whole world in two millenniums, a lot was wrong, that's not an excuse to do the same wrongs now. But the irony is, those who pretend that a 2000-year-old claim has value, still don't accept the right to return of people displaced last century, whose track we still have. They knew who their parents and grandparents were in person, nobody knows who their 2000 year ancestors are. Even I could have ancestors of that called holy land or any other land. Civilizations weren't still for 2000 years, there has been a huge amount of war, trade, and all kind of human exchange, if you know what I mean.

Where do you want to put the boundary? For now their right stands, these displacements are about 80 years old, it's not that far away in time and they have not returned before because they haven't been allowed, it has been and is an ongoing situation. Don't you agree? You wouldn't allow them?

From what I've heard, many have double nationality passports already. In that scenario, they could stay or they could go to the country from which they, their parents, or their grandparents came from, it would be their choice, it wouldn't be a greater power relocating them, maybe except in cases of proven home theft or very recent settlements like the ones in the West Bank, that would have to be reconsidered at least. There is quite recent footage of an American Jewish man telling a Palestinian girl that if he wouldn't take her home, someone else would. Cases like these are not acceptable, it's pure theft. Palestinian refugees and their descendants have the right to return as well. This is not different in most countries, when you prove you are a descendant of someone of another country, you are granted the nationality. The Jews choosing to stay in Palestine, they just can live in democracy, and equal rights, that's fine.