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@Ulax Your moans that night are forever etched in my memory 😌

On the highway. Not inside the car, but outside, against the car. People were driving by at high speed. It was a busy road. Luckily it was dark so I doubt anyone saw much.

@LordFall Thank you. I've read what you wrote and I'm contemplating it.

Hey guys, I just went on a date with one of the people who works in my building. She actually reached out to me. I heard through the grapevine that she's been asking some of my colleagues about me, and eventually she found me on LinkedIn and messaged me asking if I wanted to go out. I work in a building where I'm basically a barista for the people who work there, so she's one of my customers. I was hesitant at first because of the fact that we work in the same building, bur when she reached out to me, I'm not gonna lie, I didn't want to reject her. I figured, okay, she's very attractive, so why not give it a shot and see what happens? My original plan was to spend about two hours together, have a coffee, and then leave. I'd go home, sit with how I felt about her, and then decide whether I wanted to pursue things further. It didn't quite go according to plan. We ended up spending three and a half hours together. We drank wine, smoked a joint, kissed, and she ended up sitting on my lap. I feel like my old pickup conditioning took over a little bit. Instead of staying present and actually figuring out how I felt about her, I slipped into that mindset of seducing the girl and just letting the interaction escalate. By the end of the date, she was clearly very happy and excited. She was also much more flirty than I expected. She comes across as pretty shy and awkward, but verbally she's actually very playful. At one point she joked that she was going to make sure none of the girls at work talked to me because I was "her man" now and she expects heart-shaped latte art everytime she orders from me. She's a quirky person, and I genuinely enjoyed talking to her and spending time with her. The problem came afterward, when I had some time to reflect. As much fun as I had, I realized that I don't really see myself dating her long-term. Even while I was walking her back to the station, I found myself noticing other women around me who were much more my type, and it made me realize that I probably wouldn't be happy in a relationship with her. There were also a few other things about her that I didn't particularly like. And now I feel kind of shitty about the whole thing because I have to reject her after giving her a pretty romantic experience. I flirted with her, escalated things, kissed her, and let the whole interaction go much further than I originally intended, only to realize afterward that I don't actually want to pursue her. Especially because she mentioned that she's had a complicated relationship with men in the past, I feel even worse about potentially adding another negative experience to that. I don't think I had bad intentions. I genuinely enjoyed spending time with her and I was attracted to her in the moment. But I also feel like I should have been more grounded and honest with myself instead of letting my pickup conditioning take over. Anyway, I just wanted to share this with you guys and get it off my chest.

Thank you.

@LordFall Im high as fuck right now an I'm open to hearing more. What would you recommend as a first step for me to get that process going?

Ain't no shame here, brother. This is about integrity and empathy. There is no gift in seducing a woman and then leaving her out to dry. Yes, if I'm genuinely interested and she is too, then amazing, but if not, it's a shitty thing to do. I feel like this is your answer to everything, man. But I hear your point and it is something that I implement differently. I don't host events, but I do invite people to come along to things that I'm already doing, which serves the same purpose. Thanks, my G.

@Valach Her exact words below: "No problem, I completely understand. I actually understand what you mean about the romantic spark, because I didn’t really feel that from my side either. For me, that usually grows over time as I get to know someone better. But no hard feelings at all 😊 We can just be completely normal and friendly with each other at work, of course!"

Nah bro, you're assuming too much based on very little information. She responded very positively to my message and reassured me that we'll be totally friendly at work. Based on her personality, I feel assured that she means well.

I mean... it's not really her fault. How could she resist my charm? Very solid list of characteristics here. You clearly thought about this deeply. The only thing I personally differ with is the age. I actually like it when a girl is a little bit older than me. There's something sexy and foxy about it. Obviously, though, I would prefer her to be around my age or younger. Depends by what you mean by optimized. I have good, professionally taken pictures (some of them on my instagram as well), and a bio that is fun and authentic to me. I'm not going out of my way to be super polarizing with it. Plus, for me, dating apps are like "bonus rounds." It's very rare that I'll meet a girl that actually excites me on a dating app, mainly because I hate texting and would prefer to just do a call or a coffee, which most girls are not willing to do so quickly after matching with you -- but those that do, once every blue moon, definitely get my attention.

@Valach I actually did consider that and I can confidently say that it isn't. I spared some details in my original post as not to be too mean to the girl, but there are a few things about her that I didn't like. One of them being that she "hates men." There were more but that should give you an idea. @Miguel1 Yeah, my thought exactly. Nightgame is fun, I love dancing to dance too and I especially love grinding on girls, lol. But I find it to be a poor source for quality leads. All girls go to clubs and bars every now and then, so quality girls do exist in those environments, but for the sake of efficiency, going to artsy or spiritual events is more fruitful. I don't really "game" as much as I should be these days, but when I do, I approach on streets, at the mall nearby my house, I use dating apps and I am also starting salsa and bachata classes soon, so that will also probably yield some connections or it would allow me to attend latin dance events which will inevitably produce some results. So far though.. I'm not feeling to hopeful or excited to be honest. Most of my dates go nowhere and as a result, when I see a girl I'm attracted to I already kind of expect it to be a disappointment which is not great for my motivation lol.

@Miguel1 I just texted her my thoughts. Very curious, bro. Since you're on a similar path, do you still do nightgame as lead source for a potential life partner?

They are. Use the internet, dude. It literally took me 2 seconds to google it and verify that it is.

Agreed, but you have to be bad at something before you get good and, effectively, habitualize it into your being. Now, I know a lot of guys who are just a headache to talk to because of their over-the-top frame control, who aren't even aware of the concept and thus arent trying to improve on it. Those are the worst! I knew a guy once who had a very strong and loud voice and would use it to steamroll everyone in conversation. He would talk over you, interrupt you and effectively silence you because you cant even hear yourself speak when he speaks. It was annoying as fuck. Saw him a couple years later though and he seemed a lot more chill, thank God.

@LordFall I'm inclined to side with Miguel on this one. You describe social circle as this fulfilling, full life where you're surrounded with like minded people and meeting women along the way, except that it being fulfilling is totally subjective to the person. I've done social circle game proactively in the past -- my version of it -- and found it quite tiring rather than fun. Same with cold approach. For freakshows like myself, it was a totally worthwhile investment to spend years of our lives developing that skill at a high level, but clearly that's not something that most guys will be willing to do. I'm also investing in social circle "game" right now, but it's more small scale. I'm participating in salsa classes, becoming a regular at certain weekly and biweekly events and just making friends with people. Naturally, because I have a very strong masculine presence, women who I meet through friends or within those events, naturally will start flirting with me on their own accord and then I can choose which one I want to invest in for a date. But fishing in that pond is less abundant as I have a reputation to maintain, thus i couple that with some cold approach and dating apps and voilá, we got options.

STDs and STIs are the same thing. STI is just the modern description because the word Disease in STD was determined to have negative connotations and encourage social stigma. Infection sounds more accurate.

@Inliytened1 Yes

It depends by your definition of "date." I'm with you when you say that when one exits the PUA paradigm that dating multiple women seems somehow... wrong, but in the process of finding your ideal partner, you do have to cast a wide net -- especially if your standards are high. I will personally talk to and go on multiple first dates with various girls in a span of a couple of weeks, but 9/10 times there won't be a second date. Once I meet a girl with potential, then yeah, I just focus on her until it shakes out either positively (which that means we start dating all the way to commitment) or negatively, which in that case I'm back in the game, baby.

@Ulax Bro switched sides in a milisecond

You wish to usurp my position as the Highest Truth of them all, I see. I will not stand for it! It is time to reveal a secret that I've been reluctant to reveal, but you have left me no choice! Leo himself asks me for daily advice on how to be God. That's right. I lead this forum in the shadows.

@Inliytened1 Thank yourself for seeing the truth, my child. @Natasha Tori Maru I believe in you, my subject. It won't be easy. But it will be worth it. @Ulax Awakening is in your future, my son. @Olaf If you knew my real name, you'd find your comment 10x funnier.

Guys, all your problems in life would disappear if you just modeled your entire life after me. I am the truth. I am the light.

Proud of you for being able to put your ego aside and admit it.

@Ramanujan Brother, you're not an authority on this subject, stop acting like you are. You spout idealogies, not experienced knowledge (aka wisdom). What determines the quality of a woman isn't her body count, it's how she treats you and her overall character.