Monster Energy

What kind of motorcycle do you ride? I would love to ride in Spain someday. They have some of the best roads for motorcycle lovers.

I agree, but if there were a video of Jesus abusing children, many religious people probably still wouldn’t see anything wrong with it. On the other hand, if there were actual footage of Michael doing something like that, even some of his most devoted fans would stop worshipping him.

Michael is really not very good at defending himself, even though he thinks he is doing a good job. I’m going to watch the video. Thanks.

They both love and hate them. They really want to feel dominant in the moment when they ride their motorcycles, and they don’t want any man to feel superior to them.

Many people think this video gives off a very strange feeling about their relationship.

Interesting, is this in the documentary Leaving Neverland?

I think like this, if MJ had no problem saying he slept with children and loved children more than anything else, it feels like he could say for example yes I kissed the children or had sex with them but he would defend himself and say he doesn't see it as immoral even though the majority see it as horrible, what I'm trying to say is that the word pedophile wouldn't mean anything bad according to Michael! He would make people think about what is healthy for children. This is much more logical considering that you, at least Leo think Michael was really completely sick in the head.

You’re right, “monster” isn’t really the right word to use in this case. I didn’t know about the wine or the pornography either. That honestly made me rethink things quite a lot. It’s very disturbing.

It’s very possible that some of what you’re saying about Michael is true, but I don’t think the argument that he wasn’t very public or didn’t have many intimate adult relationships is a very strong reason to conclude that he was a pedophile. Still, I don’t think it’s wrong to bring it up because it is interesting to think about. Maybe he really was a child at heart, or maybe he was a monster without fully understanding it himself, like you’re suggesting. What makes this case difficult is that there are arguments and doubts on both sides. That’s why I think the most honest answer is probably “we can’t know for sure,” rather than acting completely certain either way.

Why would Michael publicly admit that he slept in the same bed as children if he were truly a pedophile? A real pedophile would probably hide those details or be much more careful about how they speak publicly. Michael seems more emotionally unaware of the consequences than like an actual pedophile.

Don’t you mean the documentary Leaving Neverland?

The Epstein files confirm that they were angry at Michael for keeping children away from their island. I believe Michael is innocent, even though his behavior was quite unusual. He was so full of love that he could not see love in a sick sexual way like many others do. But I could be completely wrong. I think people who are absolutely certain that Michael was a pedophile do not understand how difficult it is to judge this. The answer should be “I don’t know” because it is not easy to say yes or no to this.

It comes with both pros and cons. The good part is that you gain more experience and insight into how other people think and behave. The bad part is that it is done in a corrupt way. Religious people often love to cherry-pick the loving verses while ignoring the strange or immoral ones.

I’m not saying school is useless. I’m saying it has real downsides, like stress, lack of individuality, and forcing everyone into the same system.

@Leo Gura It’s funny that you think there aren’t many downsides when school is designed to make people slaves to their own minds. It’s even funnier because you’re someone who claims to strive for enlightenment and to think outside the box.

Needing something doesn’t magically make it flawless. Try again.

You may not have felt brainwashed, but it’s possible you were influenced unconsciously by words or ideas from your parents that you didn’t fully understand. That’s a real possibility. But I’m glad you didn’t feel confused and were able to ask the difficult questions about God and the church.

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Too much conformity becomes harmful, and that’s exactly what school often turns into. There are more downsides than benefits. You’re right that everyone goes through a conformist phase, but school is far too restrictive to give students any real room to breathe. It creates more stress than freedom.

It’s not abuse because a healthy society needs rules. School is abuse because it limits consciousness with false claims and teaches obedience instead of questioning. It’s not healthy. The fixed schedules for when to wake up and when to stop aren’t natural, and the system isn’t adapted to human needs.

Girls who ride motorcycles have my respect.

Starting to see that lust isn’t really about the other person. It feels like they have something, beauty, energy, aliveness, but the actual experience is happening within me. So what I’m really chasing isn’t the form, but a state of consciousness that gets triggered through the form. This explains obsession you think the source is “out there,” so you keep chasing it. But if you look directly, the feeling is self-generated. At the same time, it’s not like the other person is irrelevant. The form still matters as a trigger. So it’s like the experience is internal the trigger is external Still trying to see clearly where projection ends and actual connection begins.

I agree with that perspective.