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Fair enough, I think I misread what you said.

Can we even call it channeling at that point though? Isn't the idea of a channel that it is to/from something external, like sending a message over the internet, only through psychic means? Why would you still call it channeling? Well, if we're anyway going by the myth, his followers seem to have memorized the entire Quran and spread/wrote it from there. They couldn't have made up extra verses or changed verses since there were so many memorizers, so one alteration would be corrected by many other correct memorizers. (almost exactly like how a blockchain works) Well when people say "wrote" they just mean made up, but ok.

It's only absolute in the sense that its essence is reality/consciousness, but as a finite thing, it's relative. In the same way that a pinky is a human, but what constitutes a human is not just a pinky.

Isn't it that the Absolute is either formless nothingness or an Infinity of forms(The entire infinite set of all forms), but never a single, distinct thing? How could there be an Absolute Blue? However it's crazy you mentioned that because one time on a psych trip, I closed my eyes and it kept getting more blue and more blue until I couldn't handle it anymore (and I opened my eyes) and it felt crazy that It could even get more blue than what I normally would imagine as pure blue.

Isn't there only one formless abstraction; Infinity itself? how can a formless abstraction have the "Form" of evil? You have classified God as Infinite Good(and not evil). Would God/Good be stronger than Evil, or do you propose a Zoroastrian style of metaphysics where they are in a perfect balance for eternity?

I've been hoping you'd get into that realm. How could it ever be Absolute though? how could a specific hellrealm or an individual demon be Absolute evil? you could always think up something more evil than that, so it must be finite/relative. Just like a heaven filled with doves, bliss and/or maidens wouldn't be the Absolute Good. Cool.

such American customs are so deeply, unnervingly unaesthetic to us Europeans.

It's not about the scholarship but about missing crucial details about religions and they affect society and understanding of God. But I digress. I wanted to ask you, why do you believe Mohammed's claims that his insights were channeled? why wasn't it just made up from his own insight? and if it was channeled, why does it contain so much falsehood, like you claim, yet also much truth, like you also claim? How do you think channeling works, do you think there's actual distinct spiritual entities out there doing the work, or a more nebulous channeling from infinite intelligence? if the latter, why would there be so much falsehood in channeled teachings like that? because the time isnt ready for it?

I'd argue it is actually more complicated than that since many times, you have to do things like killing in war to protect your family. Are you going to argue against Ukrainian soldiers that they have to be conscious and loving, or that they have to kill and destroy the enemy? which is more moral? Was Gautama Buddha moral for abandoning his wife and infant child forever in search of Truth? Or is it more moral to sacrifice truth-seeking for selfless activities like caring for your family, but being stuck in societies falsehood till you die? You are reducing morality to what is good between people, when morality is more than that, it is about what the good life is. You have an unconscious assumption of what Nietszche would call slave morality, it's what we have been brought up with in our liberal time. I'd invite you to contemplate that morality is more complex and deep than you reduce it out to be.

Yet God doesn't seem to have any problem studying hallucination for Eternity. On the contrary, he seems to delight in it.

thats hilarious. Thats really interesting how humans have more faith in either hard materialism or dualistic mysticism, and even a paradoxical combination of the two, than actually contemplating truth and consciousness. Maya hard at work I guess. I don't know their channel but from what I hear from you I bet its conformist to the strand of Roganesque "mind freeing", "anti-government" line of content that's been popular since Covid. It's religious in a sense; they get a shared feeling of community mysticism by contemplating mystical stuff but still want to be a attached to consensus reality (materialism). It's cool that once you have done enough studying of religion and philosophy you see right through these currents of thought(and can identify their origins in other traditions) and their bullshit and that conformity and survival is at the heart of it.

Why the passive agressive tone? i'm just giving a bit of spice to the discussion. seems that nobody actually wants to delve into the matter of the philosophy here.

@AerisVahnEphelia Also note that you do seem to have an aesthetic fascination with religious symboblism like being a "facet of the dream of God". Notice that you find that beautiful. You didn't just think that up by yourself, you are taking from thousands of years of religious art tradition that always has tried to marry art with the metaphysical and the divine. Don't just denounce it as bullshit. It's much more than that (although of course a lot of it is straight up bullshit)

Your stance reveals an unconscious radical individualism; that it is up to the individual to find God and distance himself from society. But that is not a universal solution; If everyone did it, society would collapse. which is why religions had to exist. Jesus found God (in some sense) and people made a religion out of him. Why? contemplate that. I've been doing it for years and still haven't found the final answer. the interplay of survival, truth and religion is so much more complex than you'd initially think.

You are misconstruing my point. War for the ego is death and Awakening is as well; I'm just saying, both kill the ego, and the ego has to be willing to never return. How do you not see the similitude? The moments before ego death are when the ego is lost in the most extreme paranoia and falsehood, clinging to life. at the moment of death, Truth is revealed. Isn't that just how death works in a real war? You did mention that you have a moral disagreement with it, that it's a cowards way to live, since you let society rot, while Christian saints for example did much for the rat-like people. Again, you're mischaracterizing my point. I'm of the stance your way is superior and more true (obviously), but as someone who has studied a lot of religions and the game theory behind them, You are not doing them justice (both in the bad and the good of them) by just cherrypicking elements for your own gain. Ironically Mohammed did the same thing with Jesus. Thats the point I'm making, You're not doing justice to reality by just picking some random elements from religions and making a collage out of it (some which aren't even authentic like the lesser jihad/greater jihad distinction), sure its cool art and it adds to your own mystical school of ideas but again, you're just doing the same as Mohammed did with Jewish and Christian source material. Again, it's cool and mind-opening, but it does muddy the waters about really analyzing what religions are about in both their truth and falsehood. Wouldn't you agree that to do "Islam properly" and find God, you'd need some kind of moral compass? The path is an illusion but only the fool doesn't walk it? how is that different than saying God rewards some behaviour and God punishes other? God is reality right? I just feel you should be more meticulous and detailed about these manners. It's one of the only criticism I have of your style. I get that it's also a feature, but it's too much at this point. Detailed discussion of philosophy is needed. It's also worth noting that you often mistake criticisms of your posts in a very black/white way. I'm making detailed nuanced points here but you immediately took it as a denouncement of your entire position.

funnily enough, most of them do and have an aesthetic amoration with "scientist clothing" which reflects their stance that non-quantifiability is ultimately an illusion.

Well the funny thing is, Jesus was crucified by his people. They tried to do Mohammed in the same way, but he fled with his best mate to Medina and only then became the political leader and warlord history knows him as. What's the quote again, "You either die a hero..." yeah. Buddha abandoned his newborn child and wife in the middle of the night, never to return, in search of Truth. Is that the pinnacle of morality for you? Plus if everyone did that, society would collapse and we would all be eaten by animals. People like you take the question of morality for granted. It's so much more complex than the pacifist slave morality that new-age hippies take to be the standard. Morality is the at the intersection of survival and consciousness. If an army came tomorrow to murder you and your family and rape your daughter, and you would flee as a pacifist hippie, I would deem you an immoral coward. If you fought to the death to protect them or to buy them time to flee, sacrificing yourself in the process, I would deem you a moral hero. Now thats some jihad for you.

Let me contest you on this with a recent quote of your own. Isn't willingly going out to war just this; knowing that you will probably die and not come back to this earth? you have to have ultimate faith and push through the fear of death, losing attachment to your own ego in the same way? Isn't the ultimate test of ego to be willing to be torn apart by Maya? How is the lesser Jihad nonsense? You yourself criticized Buddhists for being apathic to the world and retreating into their meditative lives without really living in the dream and exposing themselves to the hardships of life. Are you really steelmanning it, or twisting it to fit your own bias? I would argue the latter. You agree with Islam's glorification of the Infinite God and it's staunch monotheism, but you disagree with it's morality (and the Idea that God has a morality). Therefore your self-bias picks out the elements you like and pretends like that is the "real religion" and the rest was just thought up, when for them it was all the same. The morality of Islam is second in importance to them only to the strict Monotheist ontology and cosmology, and you can't even separate it from it. If there is only one God to please who will either torture you or give you bliss, following any other idol or finite desire becomes absurd. A buddhist would also make the same claim as you, that God has no morality; but he would also say that Reality itself sends you into agonizing situations and places because of your own Karma. If God/Allah is reality itself anyway, and reality sends me to heaven or hell not because of a separate judgment, but just "because the way things are"/Karma, aren't those two premises exactly the same? You have preached for a "good life" in exactly the same way. If you live the Good life, that will give you satisfaction, and the bad life won't. How is that any different ontologically from saying God punishes or rewards you, if God is life/reality anyway?

@Leo Gura Uhm.. wtf? isn't that the easiest thing in the world? how would people who deem all realities to be ultimately composed of dumb atoms and matter think that morality is real? thats mind blowing

It's true that many in the UK, NL, BE are very Wahhabist, but to generalize the middle east as being Wahhabist shows a great fault in your knowledge on this topic. Wahhabism rose as one with the Saudi state through an alliance between Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab - (where Wahhabism was named after) and the first Saudi king - the sect wouldn't exist without the Saudi state and the state wouldn't exist without the sect. they used eachother to become realities, and they allied with the British against the Ottomans, using their new sect's edict that the Ottomans are apostates - they took over Arabia. This is why many countries in the MENA region actually despise Wahhabism, because they are more loyal to the Islam of the Ottomans - especially countries like Egypt, Morocco, Turkey, Syria. The scholars of both strands hate eachother and battle for the allegiance of the lay people. So it was never MENA who would be deemed Wahhabi as a whole, with Wahhabism being the measure of religious fanaticism; although all Wahhabis are fanatics, not all fanatics are Wahhabi. Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood, Taliban - they all hate Wahhabism. The reason why Wahhabism is great in NW European countries is mostly because of a vacuum of scholarschip. Many lay, unintelligent Muslims immigrated there without much scholars, and Wahhabis took this opportunity to convert a lot to their cause. This would never work in a country like Egypt because they are very rooted in their non-Wahhabi tradition. Moroccans are also a big part of NWE Muslims and many of them are also Wahhabis, moreso than in their own country. It's an ongoing battle orchestrated and paid for by Saudi and other actors.

The mass protests are always from leftists; and leftists are against their own countries being allies with genocidal countries who commit crime against the weak. Europe and the US always try to seem like they are the pinnacle of human rights, so when one of their Western allies commits a clear, severe violation of human rights which many would even deem a genocide, of course leftists are going to go protest that. It's a very bad comparison to compare that to Iran whom we are not at all allies with. why would a leftist protest in a western country against crimes Iran has done when Iran is already an enemy of the West? Although I'm not a fan of Israel at all to put it lightly, I do agree with your irritation that leftists' morality is often rage-inducingly selective, conformist and many have (unconscious) jew hate. they are the priests of slave morality and aren't loyal to Truth or Love, but then again, so aren't most Israelis or Russians etc. I have compassion for them though because all have been fed ridiculous amounts of propaganda and bias which is really hard to break out of. I've been there.

You patronizing me like I don't care about God when I do and have had 2 awakenings/spiritual experiences that rocked my world, one of solipsism and one of God. I've cared about truth all my life, and especially since age 16 when I started to philosophically deconstruct my materalist reductionist worldview thanks to your early videos. I've already "concerned myself with God" my entire life. I know God and truth is for me, I care about it deeply. You're not getting what I'm saying. There is no "basic self help" and success and good feelings for me anymore. I'm basically about to end it because I've went through all the options. I'm asking what is the point, if you're really hardcore about truth, and if the human form is only a limitation to your ability to see truth, why not end the human form at all? I'm already close to it due to wanting to end suffering, and if in truth seeking there is only benefit in shedding the human form, what's the issue? I'm asking you also, do you think there are any karma points to sticking through it all, or is that all fantasy? Why would infinite intelligence go through so much pain if there is no reason to cut it short to get to truth? My entire point is that there are no solutions anymore to my worldly problems, so can I see that as an opportunity to go towards the real gold? I'm not a little boy anymore, I went through this shit for the last 4 years and there are no solutions anymore. I'm fucking ready for a monk life, but what is the point? why meditate with discipline when all human form clouds truth even when you meditate, and I don't want to live human life in this fashion anymore anyway?

But why would you then take upon that stance of not caring about climate change simply because you're pessismistic about it Plenty of climate change activists are pessimist about the situation yet still stand for what they believe in and nudge the world 0.0001% towards climate action Why would you change your ideals when you're pessimist about them, that seems silly, the whole idea of ideals is that ideals is what you want, not what is there now

But the pigs are the ones who are to be convinced, right? do you really wanna convince some new agers, or go for the true priest class of today, namely the hardcore materialists like Dave? Why would that be a mistake? if you can convince him, you can convince anybody, so wouldn't that be "shoot for the stars and aim for the moon"?

Why are you framing it like anyone can just choose to have money sex and fame? I am basically situated in life that all of the devils fools gold is not available to me anymore I basically can't talk anymore and have constant inflammation of the face, tongue and jaw all day and it'll never go away All of survivals goodies are locked away from me Tbh I'm ready to die, I lost my job a year ago bc of my conditions and am just scraping by off benefits Creating a career in my passions seems impossible since you need to be able to communicate with others properly plus why would i even have the motivation to pursue it, even if I had 10 million dollars and success with life purpose, I couldn't even talk to a girl or kiss her, it's literally almost physically impossible and hurts, talking and moving my tongue hurts Leo, how do I give my life to God? Life has basically forced me to give up wordly desires, even though I still desire them deeply, like human love I care about truth deeply, but on the other hand, truth doesn't feel that urgent, or to say it better, wanting to know the truth makes me wanna end my self even more, since i'll get the end of suffering + truth? I feel so limited as a human to reach truth, I feel like I pollute anything anyway, and since Consciousness is immortal, truth will be reached anyway once I'm freed of the human form Be honest, is there even a real, tangible reason to not end myself or is it all morality that I imagined myself? Since others won't even miss me, what's the point? Is there a real point in going through the suffering? is it just consciousness going through the hardcore motions? do you get karma points for not ending yourself and holding on or is that all imagined? There seems no empirical proof for any of this, yet it then also feels pointless that people would go through pointless pain, and it doesn't make sense that infinite intelligence would do something in a pointless fashion. You say that truth is reached anyway upon death. So then I don't even get what the point is of being human and living for truth if you're only limited by your human form to see truth properly. How do I give my life to God? I can probably live of benefits my entire life but I hate my human self since i'm pointless and have so much desire that I can't fulfill, like I'm in a wheelchair or in jail Just do hardcore meditation all day everyday to try and permanently lose the ego self and awaken and thats it? it feels like hell even thinking about it, but maybe that's the point.