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but the point has no dimensions!! What I mean is that by saying reality is One (Monism) we are just looking at one of the ways 0 can be seen. That is still not the Ultimate.... That's why Nonduality is a much better way to point, no?

But zero is a bit more mysterious than one... Zero can also be 0+0+0+0+.....0 , added as many times as you wish. So it can appear to be many. While 1 cannot split itself in such a way by using itself only. But zero is also nothing, so there might appear to be 1 or many but in reality there is nothing really, just 0. For zero it is correct to say : Zero is One, zero is Many and it is correct to say Zero is Not Any at all!

@Leo Gura I would argue that reality is not one, it can be said that more accurate is to say reality is zero. No?

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The real question here is why did you attract this conversation. This is all your making. Why are you getting angry/upset at a set of characters that you manifested/attracted. It's not my fault you're attracting this.

the deepest insight is you wont get the deepest insight from a forum

yeah that might be, I like it, but the guitarist is insinuating that if the mind does not hold a belief about something that Life will not manifest. Life manifests best when there are no beliefs and thoughts. The common everyday LOA user has a mind filled with neurotic mantras: LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE love love love o shit I thought of the word shit. IMEAN love love love love love LOVE LOVE LOVE LOA WORKS LOA WORKS love love love love love love Instead of being in a pieceful no-mind state, the LOA urges the unexperienced user to constantly fill their head with chatter, or they are wasting their time not manifesting anything! lol! But no-mind manifestation, when you reAlly flow with the Life and from the Heart, there is no need for any of that LOA nonsense. Truth manifests itself naturally. The Sunflower manifests seeds. No effort is required

Doesn't work like you are projecting it brother. Me saying that it is not truth is not in any way changing anything. It changes Just as much as me saying there are elves living in my back garden. God, synchronicities and the Universe work far more mysteriously than LOA. Synchronicities and other events are only that - events. Stop trying to control everything. Can't you just flow with life!? Let Life manifest and flow with it. Suuuuuurf Ps; in your world view of glorifying LoA it would mean that you are attracting this post. So why argue with it??? <3 WHY DID YOU ATTRACT THIS RESPONSE???

I think his doubt comes from experience, from his direct investigation... I don't think you can use this argument here... He gave it a shot, it didn't give fruit. Maybe for others its diffetent. I mean I get it, some people think belief creates reality, but others let reality show them what to believe. By reality I mean that which is true whether you believe it or not. I've also had mixed experiences with the Loa. But loa is not Truth. Truth is that which even doubt cannot change. For example if someone believes they can jump 20 metres into the air with no extra help, they will fail. Their belief was not in line with reality. Not their lack of faith was the problem here, it was just the reality of the situation. But if someone sees how high they can jump, they don't need to believe how high they can jump, they can just check. And then they will be able.to say: i believe I can jump about so and so metres high. And get their belief alligned with the reality if the situation - not the other way around.

Your friend's theory that Hate could also be the ultimate nature of reality also IS. Why are you not loving that? Because its incorrect? It might be incorrect, but it IS. Love it or be hypocritical. But if you're hypocritical, I guess you love that also, cause it also just is. But that takes away the higher ground you stand on when making the statement all is Love. Because what are you really against here? What you are against must be Love if all is Love. gg wp Yes there is something here which has come to mind before... I mean we dont want to do to others what we dont wish done to us... When we see they are the same... But I've thought about many times what stops someone from raping you and at the same time by the nonduality "rule" this is all Love. So the one who rapes and the one who gets raped might not be real outside of time, but within the time story there definitely are some actions and events which are not love and we know what those are - we can feel it- its our morality from within.... So when we talk about concepts that point outside of time like the PEACE THAT PASSETH understanding and the LOVE BEYOND DUALITIES, we cannot really merge those with events that are in time and say "Everything here in time is love and you can just do anything and its luv dunn worry bro"... Because in stories there are always polarities and dualities. Good and bad.... It's the nature of experience/story to have polarities and the nature of the empty self to have no polarity and duality. Lets not mix up the two too much

All stories are mind made. We were never on a nofap journey in the big picture. Everything just IS and we have no control. Only God has control, so let's surf.!!! ????

Lol!!! No don't say that. It's the ego that is hypocrite ? we are innocent as Awareness and have patience for the ego to learn to be better.

But in the relationship forum you said something among the lines of " you dont love her until you f her " ??? I guess that was about that other, romantic love. That's why the word love is confusing

Guys I failed last night, i tried to stop but had reached the point of no return. Maybe I emptied only half the sack. But important thing is not to beat myself up about it. Not going to be neurotic about this. But I continue nofap now not because its a challenge its actually something that improves my life quality. I feel headache today. They did say you can feel that after relapse. Oh well! Guys i hope you going strong, if not its ok too. Be gentle about it.

Loving way to kill yourself is to realise you are already dead. There is nothing to kill.

Before psychedelics were taken, isness is.

Strong resonance with this. Yup! Before Abraham was, isness is. But some equate the pointer isness/being with the pointer love. Meaning that both these words point to same no-thing. But its confusing sometimes what people mean, because love is used in other ways also. By using it it's kind of painting fornless Bei-ng with a pinkish brush. Not bad from point of view of the law of attraction i guess.

You believe others to be unenlightened because of your own story you are projecting. What if he tells you that reality can be hate? Just one character talking to another about duality. That's all we can do. The love you are pointing to is beyond the dualities. No character will be enlightened. You have taken your enlightenment experience into the character and presenting the nondual love as if it in any way excludes hate as an experience within it. OFcourse it doesn't. Nondual love embraces everything. All negative qualities are only negative to the mind. Your friend is right. Many are deluded that they can become an enlightened character and this is just the biggest ego trap. Only the present moment can be enlightened. Any person on a journey to enlightenment is not what is important. Pathless path baby.

@Mosess Just relax bro. Maybe say less. You dont have to explain everything to everyone I think reading some books can help you relate these things to others. I would recommend reading some Christian mysticism books to be able to speak the lingo of those around you. Maybe the misunderstandings come from that your conceptual understanding is lower than your actual experiential understanding and so you cannot translate what you know in the proper words.

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How enlightenment looks to other people ^

THANKS now i'm on an adyashanti spree. I haven't actually seen him in a while and I need to revisit his book "The end of your world", because I feel now it will be more clear.

Maybe because consciousness and water are similar. If consciousness had a form, I vote it to be water.

All the aliens nexted me... What now

You just don't remember. It might be so out of context with your personal time-story that you simply forget about it. Just like you forget dreams... Like merging/becoming a mountain range or being the entire playground (just stuff I can mildly remember from childhood) To be honest all experience is a spiritual experience. Because there is no experience in time, only it appears like that sometimes. My most powerful spiritual experience is being here now. Ps: just remembered of some experiences not from childhood where I wss able to observe and direct visual imagery and create worlds inside my mind, changing colours at will etc and saw the most beautiful paintings that I couldn't have just imagined. Also I've had the same with sound, I was like the director and the voice singing, but neither at the same time. Was singing this and I could hear it so vividly as if it was really happening. The song was this But the version I sang was soooo divine. It was like angels singing. @Martin123 might be that innet child you talk about. Still shiver when I hear this song. (the song itself is about friendship, singing and how the song can make the person good.) PSS: Top spiritual experiences from my dreams: Eckhart Tolle "physically" touched my heart after a talk. Leo "literally" showed me I am the entire dream after a chat on the dream skype. By literally I mean that I actually got pointed to the fact I am the entire dream and then I started moving as the entire dream rather than just the character.