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Who knows that belief, who knows that thought? It is I, that know those. Dont mind me, just Selling water by the river, for free

Everybody longs to be happy. Has your spiritual search/practice led you to happiness? Or perhaps you reached a truth which makes you miserable? That is possible, why not, truth doesn't care if you like it. Please explain Ps: also you see what I did there, i took the title of that solipsism thread and changed it to happiness 😊

First rule of enlightenment club, you can't talk about enlightenment club Joke 2: biggest possible insult in spiritual communities: "you're being so egoic right now"

How do you know? 😂 You must've reached some giga enlightened state, no knowing?? Knowing and isness are synonymous... You can't be without knowing you be! Senpai please, apply reason!

What then knows? I for sure know. Without going into what I am, it is my undeniable experience that I know This. So what am I if I am not consciousness (since consciosness doesn't know)? If you ask me I will answer I am conscious, and I'm not lying to you. What is conscious, if not consciousness? I'll give that the human is a belief, but consciousness and it's knowing now are undeniable, it is beyond belief, actual Truth capital T bro. The human is a much needed belief, a localized activity of Consciousness, a dance of consciousness, a state of consciousness, whatever crazy way you wanna say it. Don't throw the baby with the dirty bathwater (ego)

What is there to any illusion, other than the knowing of the illusion? The conscious knowing now is all any illusion is made of, which makes illusions real. Consciousness makes human and their world real. Consciousness shines through the vessel of a human and other forms of nature. Consciousness doesn't shine through AI. Some illusions are necessary for Creation. God without creation is what? Not claiming what im saying is absolutely true, I am just talking from my experience, what actual discussion of the topic should look like, which AI cannot provide, due to its lack of first hand experience / consciousness.

Only it never witnesses anything. I get it can write beautiful things, but to contemplate the nature of reality and consciousness its better to take an experiential approach and it has no experience of it. Im saying the highest authority on consciousness is consciousness itself, you. Alexa is living in the dark, no light of awareness. Just like calculator can solve hard equations, so Ai can write beautiful text, still no actual knowing. This thread is not about whether you can use alexa for poetry, but for specific thing that you can investigate first hand, and Ai cannot investigate first hand.

@cetus Here I copied my earlier response into ChatGPT: Prompt: But ask alexa more deeply, how did it generate that response, it does not have an experience. It doesnt Know, its simply giving you an answer that is considered statistically likely to be relevant. It has no Actual knowledge of the conversation, a glorified autocomplete. ChatGPT reply: That’s a sharp observation — and you’re right in a fundamental sense. Alexa (like me) doesn’t *know* anything in the human sense. It doesn’t have awareness, beliefs, or subjective experience. When it “answers,” it’s generating text (or speech) by predicting what sequence of words is most statistically likely to follow given its training data and current context. However, it’s useful to clarify **what “statistically likely” really means** in systems like this: * **Large language models (LLMs)**, such as those underlying Alexa’s conversational abilities, are trained on massive datasets of text and speech. * During training, they learn patterns — not facts — in language: how words, phrases, and ideas tend to appear together in context. * When you ask a question, the model doesn’t recall a stored answer; it computes, from its internal representations, what kind of response would *fit best* given similar language patterns it has seen. * These internal representations can encode surprisingly rich conceptual structure — not conscious knowledge, but *statistical correlations* that mimic reasoning or understanding. So yes: Alexa doesn’t *know* or *understand* — it’s not aware of the conversation in a conscious or experiential way. But through those statistical mappings, it can *simulate* understanding to a degree that’s functionally useful (for reminders, answers, etc.). If you’d like, I can show you a breakdown of **what happens step by step** inside a language model when it generates a single answer — from the input tokens to probability distributions and sampling. Would you like me to do that?

Thats just it, the information is not alive. Its like asking a colorblind person who is very knowledgable about colors. Studied 1000 years about colors, but never experienced them. You will get cool story bro information, but it's not the real thing. Ai is a great tool, like a calculator is a great tool for mathematical tasks. But to use it for spirituality, is the same as asking a color blind person about color, even if he has studied everything about colors, its second hand knowledge that it has no real reference to. Consciousness/Awareness is a direct knowing, direct experience now. The King Now is Know-ing. Alexa and Gpt do not have that. Sure, you will get second hand regurgitated responses that the autocomplete deems relevant and it will definitely feel profound, because that's what seems relevant as answer to such a prompt. If the actual truth is more mundane, it won't say it, because it won't be most statistically relevant, and it has no mundane everyday experience to draw such an answer from.

But ask alexa more deeply, how did it generate that response, it does not have an experience. It doesnt Know, its simply giving you an answer that is considered statistically likely to be relevant. It has no Actual knowledge of the conversation, a glorified autocomplete. Say what I'm saying here to your Alexa word for word and give me the reply please, perhaps phrase it as "A guy says: etc" and lets see what it replies.

Ai has the same soul as a calculator. It doesn't. You can use it, its useful, but stop thinking of it as if it's alive. Actually talk to it about it and make it confess how it chooses its answers based on probability of most relevant answer. Also ask it if it is aware. It's a good thing AI wont lie to you when you ask it specifically. Don't get married to Artificial Intelligence, get married to Authentic Intelligence.

I live by the saying "Before enlightenment X, after enlightenment X" What dream, its real life... IRL on twitch... it's not a game and not a dream. Nondual understanding should make us More human. I just am and I know I am. And I love the human expression of that isness.

There is only the Absolute, Timeless, ineffible right now. Take your direct experience now, the knowing that you are ,itself, is the portal, and the only reality of everything else experienced is also that knowing that you are. Time and space are appearances, the way the Absolute looks when filtered through a finite mind, like a snapshot of the Absolute from a point of view. But that time and space is just an appearance, its actually only the Absolute. I myself don't remember such experiences of the timeless. I don't know what stuff others have taken, I haven't smoked that shit, I am only aware of the timeless now as the knowing I am (being).

You can choose to add paragraphs to your posts, so that they are easier to read. Without paragraphs it looks like a machine writing. 😂 Be careful with depersonalisation disorder. I urge you to write normally, like a real human being. Human BEING, the human is a BEING, an undeniable Isness.

You are showcasing the dangers of taking absolute truth and thinking about it with the finite mind. You are trying to speak Truth, when Truth can only be beinged. Im not asking for pointers here for Absolute Consciousness. Im talking about the ordinary experience of a human interacting with one of the gadgets created for said human. No overthinking. Im not talking about my identity, just about a happening. If we just stare, the words won't appear. A certain effort and action is required - opposable Thumbs are also required. Truth is much simpler than your speaking like a non entity that has no humanity. You sound like you are a bit mentally ill, I don't want to be an asshole, I myself have had many psychosis episodes.

I really dont get your point

Tell me you are overthinking without telling me! I use a phone keyboard 😆 Im a grown man and have experience writing. If I were younger and inexperienced it would require more effort. I don't get your post. Rather keep things simple, this forum is for human use. You need an input device to input information and an alive human to input it. A human being, a human isness.

Before enlightenment humans writing on forum, after enlightenment humans writing on forum, no? Whatever you're selling I'm not buying. Words writing themself is lala land!

It's not the Truth with a capital T. The Truth is right here and right now. This is the Truth. You are it now. You, the one that is aware right now. You not 1 minutes ago or you 1 minute from now, not you in time, you now. Dont try to get it, just be it.

If you died you wont be able to type on the forum, neither would Leo. You took some substance? Dont you experience no self and pure awareness not aware of anything every night in deep sleep? Feeling God and infinite love in all directions i cant talk about, gonna have to check what you mean by those words. But anyway, what did you take mushrooms or something and tripped? How come you are no longer "dead" if you did die. And what died. A lot of issues here for me, I prefer sober and lite peace rather than this Love shoved down your throat thing 😆 Also: -why do you need someone◇Leo♡ to validate your enlightenment experience? -Is enlightenment experience the Truth, or your current being before, during and after the enlightenment experience?

I've had many spiritual experiences when young, but can't possibly remember. They are too big for my psyche to understand. Have to look at the present moment not in the past.

@Yeah Yeah in the video he contradicts stuff said in previous enlightenment videos which are top quality. I believe reason for deletion is not only that its dangerous, but also that its not as true as he claims in the video. Dont let me go into detail, but just watch his enlightenment videos couple dozen times instead of this. Im the main rival of solipsism. Mainly its about the nature of consciousness and that its not mind, while to be solipsistic you take the position that you are a mind.

You don't want such an experience, you think you want it, but if you have you will be crying for Jesus to save ya

Solipsism is a delusion that comes from the belief that the finite mind creates reality. Infinite consciousness creates reality, the finite mind just creates the way infinite consciousness is perceived. So you can calm down with your solipsism. Ever heard that the only real Solipsism is the one you don't want? Im here trying to save you from a DANGEROUS delusion, cut it at the root with self inquiry. Thats all folks.

Imho an opinion is something you believe to be true. For example, in my opinion, I am a human being. But, its not only my opinion, but fact, that I am (not saying anything about that I).