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@Breakingthewall ofcourse my words are crude, saying infinite scapegoat, making it sound like I know what it is etc, I just express my limited understanding from what I know so far, but I don't have full information for anyone to expect that im saying something true.

I do not and prefer not to imply that I know in any way how God works. It is and will remain always beyond my understanding, as a human being. Now as a human being The bible doesn't telll you you're f'd because it gives the infinite scapegoat, the crucifuction of Christ... Lets read more about that, I definitely will, because it's something big for salvation... In not knowing what will happen..

@Breakingthewall@Breakingthewall you can choose to murder someone, or not murder them. Tell me, how are both options God's will? It's clearly up to you, meaning, that instance of life... You have choice and it might very well be against the will of God, against the will of Life. If you think both options are the will of God, your God is air, or randomness, the God of absolute freedom where everything goes... It is not the true God of Love and peace. Freedom under the laws of Love, not absolute freedom

Thats th e sort of evil that is on this world yes, but saying that's God's plan is just a mistake in my view. In your worldview there is no free will and it is all God's will correct? Well this is not at all the God of Christianity, its the whole thing, the battle of the forces of darkness and the light, on a grand scale. Stop believing nonduality and that all is the will of God. I fully believe in judgement day and those wicked should get what they deserve. My hopes are that those who sin, but are not wicked will get God's mercy. And even the wicked, after rehab in hell.... I just hope! But yeah I would not assume everything that happens in our reality is God's will.

Im trying to guage at why is hedonism not the way. As the guy said, meditative life is even bigger hedonism.. I think I have PTSD from visions of hell when I had experience of thinking intuitively that im about to die.. I thought im living fine since I accept the moment, but I wont be able to accept the moment if I am suffering in hell, making my practice like a challenge to the universe "oh you have no problem in the present moment, lets check if thats ultimately true" and turns out if im in hell, its not!!

Ok, that is a great entry. However to me I really have more issue with questions about afterlife, because in thw present moment, as said, one can very easily, through practice of dwelling in the space consciously, find peace and happiness, but that is still in this life and it might be selfish to even do that... The thing is I don't know. So this train of thought that maybe in this life I am not supposed to be happy, but productive or giving or yoy know, a help to society, help to God's plan etc.. I know people here don't subscribe to God outside of us, but really it is both inside and out by my definition, so we might be quick to assume we know God by knowing ourself, but maybe its partial and we need to turn to the word of God (bible) for clarity.. Bit confused, because maybe if I sacrifice my happiness in this life for a good effect on society it is better for my afterlife, which might be longer than this life if not eternal... But on another hand, maybe we are supposed to be happy now and not think about afterlife, because it can also be seen as selfish as well, to secure your place in heaven... After all is said, i can see the theme of Damned if you do, damned if you don't.... So I am perplexed. Don't know what is right.

looool that Leo smile gave me a big one hehehehee, but that also is it really the right way to live? The orthodox church would disagree... And maybe there will be consequences for it? Who knows

well I have tried it, but not sure how this will affect afterlife stuff you know... Present moment and being here now, doesnt really say a lot about whether you will go to hell. You might be comfortable and feel great during your life - i have no problem being hedonistic if there were no possible consequences in afterlife... Which is kind of a big deal for me....... Well YOLO but do I really YOLO, and if I do, maybe the afterlife will be eternal... so maybe need to pick the right things.... I have no problem with going for it during the present moment, obviously, since ive done hedonistic things so many times....

You know, you're saying the right stuff, because I feel like I hate what you're saying! Ofcourse I want just pleasure, my mind says. I hate struggling!! I like to say that you dont know me personally if someone says this, because I like to just be a plant and not do much... I like to exist, a lot, I don't like to have to do things to exist. For me heaven would be for my presence alone to be enough and to be at peace. I dont even need highs, I just want to not struggle really! I hate your reply, it might be right

Bro seriously your approach is just highway to hell imo i don't know We cant all go insane off our tits on drugs, I am not even doing hard stuff, trying to be moral about my abuse

Why, it is the very reason I have no problem with getting high ( i dont do drinking). Because it is still the present moment, whatever is happening! Why would you assume I am resisting, I am not resisting, there is just weed happening Where is the problem?

Yeah... Like one wave in the ocean saying "I am the entire ocean" "im so peaceful and blissful hehe"- then another wave comes and says "Look, I am a bigger wave, I have more things" and the first wave goes : "you shitty unenlightened wave, I am the entire ocean, you are nothing compare to me" thats ego masked as spirituality Not saying thats any of you, i just came up with this funny story all of a sudden

@Harlen Kelly am loving the colours you chose for your background and heart! Green+Red=Gold (light colours) <3

thank you man, that oozes with goodness

There are different types of dreams 1) Dreams that show events from during the day in a mixed up fashion, just re-playing the data sort of thing 2) More conscious dreams, in which you appear to have a purpose and there is some sort of storyline playing out with deeper meaning. 3) lucid dreams, in which you gather knowing that you're in the dream plane, and have more free will within the dream, rather than playing out the storymode. 4) Messages from the Universe - this is rare, from my experience at least, while falling asleep I felt the top of my head (crown chakra) as if someone was touching it. Later that night I dreamt a very deeply meaningful dream with my guardian angel on a bus. I was half asleep in the dream and she was trying to teach me stuff. Showed me one really beautiful looking place and told me; "this is hell" - I connected that place with gaming and with other addictions I am struggling with. She was in business clothes and everyone around was black and white business man,.

either way, will make use of it fully! that's like mega-prayer, run it all night long

but theres probably a lot of crying from all the onion peeling? Is that why they say its an onion..

lol, you like to force your view on the universe! but then "It can appear how it likes" and "it must appear how it likes" are then equivalent so it is really a mute point. All I was trying to communicate to the guy was that it can appear this way or that, it can make events and write history any way it likes... Look at what is pointed to, not the pointer

but if it chooses to appear how it doesnt like, then it is still how it likes... In such a case It likes to appear how it doesnt like.. I dont get the problem with this

I think there are other relative truths which are more important... Like some beings stealing ideas from our infinite imagination and creating movies and making movies from our pain and sufferings which generate awesome ideas.. I like to watch Loki now, it seems like my kind of story, I feel like they used my seeds in that one

it can appear how it likes to is an equivalent statement to it does whatever it likes to. Really you are way too pedantic about wording. Its your mistake to put too much emphasis on the "can"

the problem is that it is not a perfect analogy also, as what this model shows is basically a matrix model, not reality. I dont believe reality is a matrix even though it could be experienced that way (I've had neo experience). It is really so mystical that even stuff like that which make sense are so far from the truth. It boggles my mind! But thats what I said, that it does whatever it likes to - that it appears how it likes to... But I am not trying to put it in a box and say "this is how it is" , it is bigger than me, and it is not my place, as a function, to comment on the entire code and the force that moves us in a certain direction. It is obvious we are moving in some direction and there are some better than others, I would assume. And we have a limited view here, when there might be bigger functions that deal with that bigger stuff so we don't have to. I would hope that is the case! Much love to you

I edited my post to show about the programmer

ok! Now thats better, you'r a function of the Universe, not the Universe! We are getting somewhere! Now is it possible that a function of the Universe investigates and finds that everything is "as it is always", but why would it assume that it is the same of the Universe? If you've done coding you will know that functions are a small part of the entire program, and the programmer absolutely has a choice how to write a function and can even make changes after it is done! From the function's point of view, it will just be how it is, it only ever knows "life" when the code is running, it will not know when the programmer has stopped the program to change the code for a while.... Now here im saying God is the programmer, the program is the Universe and we are functions, that would be a good map.But I am nondual in the sense that I believe the programmer and the code are one, as in there is not some guy sitting and coding, but the code is coding itself

uuuuuuuuuuuugh, I get you man, I mean thats a common saying in nondual circles. I have heard so many times, but seriously it is easy to prove man.. Nobody has ever proven it directly to me which is weird. "There is no separation bla bla" well so is the case for my words in your paradigm... From your paradigm you should ask yourself "why is the Universe telling me that what im saying is crap".. But thats not my paradigm, because I clearly know that I would be lying if I said I am the entire Universe. If there is no separation, prove it by telling me something about me which only I would know. Remember, you are claiming that you are truthful when you say that you are not separate from me. Then I am not asking something big of you. Please, I await.