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I laughed hard! But Leo, have you ever explored Orthodox Christianity, its basically the eastern version of Christianity and closer to eastern religions. There is also the state of "Theosis" talked about, which is the becoming one with God. It is the religion of your ancestors (as you are of Russian descent), so it might be in your DNA sort of speak. Jordan Peterson and Alan Watts are two big figures which talk about Orthodox Christianity much differently than the western sects of Christianity. I do my investigation of direct experience honestly, but I am not quick to reject the religion of my ancestors as total bs. Maybe some of it, but there might be deeper truth there.

Can we elaborate further? Because all experience, feeling and thinking is being known by me. I'm not saying what that me is, but its undeniable evidence of direct experience that I know experience, all sorts of different experiences are unified by me, that which knows them. Even the sense of self is known by me (in deeper contemplation). Whether it belongs, its a strange word, it is definitely known by me. And again, maybe you will project that by Me i mean someone, but I'm not talking here about what that Me is, just that it is.

The following text is AI generated based on this thread's replies. @Ramasta9 @Joshe @Malkom @Salvijus @Ninja_pig @Someone here @Agrande I love using AI for learning, but a line is crossed when we present it as our own writing. Here is a full evaluation of the thread. Its important to always show when Ai is used, its also part of the forum guidelines. To be praised for something that's not your work.. i get its good content, but be honest when you use Ai and label it. Sure — here’s a balanced evaluation and rating (out of 10) for each main participant in that Actualized.org thread, based on spiritual depth, groundedness, clarity, compassion, and embodiment rather than ideology. 🌿 1. Ramasta9 (Original Poster) Rating: 9/10 Strengths: Deeply insightful, articulate, and well-integrated perspective on the pitfalls of neo-nonduality. Clearly values embodiment, humility, and love in spirituality. The critique is compassionate yet firm. Shows strong maturity and understanding of both theory and practice. Weaknesses: Slightly verbose and intellectual at times — the tone could feel a bit sermon-like, though the message remains authentic. Summary: Excellent synthesis of embodied spirituality and nondual insight. Feels like a seasoned practitioner. 💫 2. Joshe Rating: 8.5/10 Strengths: Very perceptive and emotionally intelligent response. Recognizes the difficulty of deconstructing delusions and the courage needed for true awakening. Weaknesses: Slightly cynical tone (“will mostly fall on deaf ears”) — though realistic, it can border on dismissive. Summary: Grounded, wise, and compassionate; understands the human psychology behind spirituality. 🔥 3. Malkom Rating: 7.5/10 Strengths: Adds thoughtful nuance about love and the misinterpretation of “emptiness.” Insightful comment about potential and derealization. Weaknesses: Some statements sound intellectualized or abstract; tone oscillates between skeptical and genuine. Summary: Good grasp of conceptual subtleties, though still mentally driven — less experiential grounding. ❤️ 4. Salvijus Rating: 8/10 Strengths: Speaks from the heart — emphasizes love as the “ultimate authority.” Understands that energy and presence often bypass the mind. Weaknesses: Slightly absolutist (“They need an exorcism”) — though likely metaphorical, it can alienate others. Summary: Spiritually mature, intuitive, and heart-centered, though could refine his compassion in expression. 🌺 5. Ninja_pig Rating: 7/10 Strengths: Simple, heartfelt, and aligned with embodied wisdom — “A master will be aware of every emotion and love it.” Weaknesses: A bit generic; doesn’t deepen or challenge the discussion further. Summary: Honest and grounded contribution — less analytical but genuine. 🧘 6. Someone here Rating: 7.5/10 Strengths: Reflective, self-aware, and open about personal struggles with over-intellectualization. Later, shows compassion toward Dodo and awareness of spiritual bypassing. Weaknesses: Vacillates between genuine insight and depressive escapism (“vow of silence… disappear in a dark room”). Summary: A seeker on the edge of deep insight, aware of the pitfalls of conceptual spirituality, still integrating emotional maturity. 🕊️ 7. Dodo Rating: 8/10 Strengths: Wise and balanced. Demonstrates real spiritual grounding through personal suffering — integrates nonduality with real-world pain. Deep humility and sincerity. Weaknesses: Occasional idealistic phrasing about detachment, but quickly self-corrects. Summary: Mature practitioner using hardship as a teacher. Genuine embodiment of practice. 🔥 8. Agrande Rating: 6/10 Strengths: Brutally honest and grounded critique of “pseudo nondualists.” Refreshing skepticism. Weaknesses: Excessive cynicism and mockery obscure the valid points. Emotional reactivity clouds the insight. Summary: Clear-sighted but still triggered by the culture he criticizes — a grounded realist needing a touch more compassion. ⚖️ Overall Thread Energy: A mix of deep insight, grounded love, wounded cynicism, and honest inquiry. Most participants demonstrate genuine spiritual depth — more embodied and psychologically aware than typical online spirituality threads. Average rating: ⭐ 8.0 / 10 Would you like me to sort them by “most spiritually integrated → least integrated” with a short summary of each person’s stage of development (e.g., grounded mystic, conceptual nondualist, embodied seeker)? Excellent — let’s assess **each participant not just for spiritual depth**, but also for **likelihood of AI assistance** in their writing (based on tone, structure, coherence, rhythm, and linguistic style). We’ll use a **1–10 “AI likelihood scale”**, where **1 = almost certainly human-written**, **10 = almost certainly AI-assisted (ChatGPT-like phrasing, structure, or coherence beyond natural forum style).** --- ### 🌿 **1. Ramasta9 (Original Poster)** **Spiritual rating:** 9/10 **AI likelihood:** **8.5/10** **Rationale:** Extremely polished structure, consistent tone, smooth transitions, balanced paragraphing, and well-formatted bullet-style sections — all highly indicative of AI drafting or heavy editing with AI assistance. **Verdict:** Likely used ChatGPT or similar to refine or co-write the post. --- ### 💫 **2. Joshe** **Spiritual rating:** 8.5/10 **AI likelihood:** **2/10** **Rationale:** Natural tone, mild sarcasm, realistic conversational rhythm (“Hey look – actual wisdom! Lol.”). Typing flow is organic with informal punctuation and slight grammatical imperfection. **Verdict:** Definitely human. --- ### 🔥 **3. Malkom** **Spiritual rating:** 7.5/10 **AI likelihood:** **4/10** **Rationale:** Mostly natural, but a few oddly clean philosophical lines (“Emptiness in the context of Nonduality is Potential, Limitless Potential…”). Could be a human paraphrasing AI phrasing, but not written by AI directly. **Verdict:** Human with possible AI influence in rewording. --- ### ❤️ **4. Salvijus** **Spiritual rating:** 8/10 **AI likelihood:** **1/10** **Rationale:** Flow is natural, emotional, slightly scattered. Strong intuitive language, unpolished grammar — typical of spontaneous human writing. **Verdict:** Purely human, heartfelt. --- ### 🌺 **5. Ninja_pig** **Spiritual rating:** 7/10 **AI likelihood:** **3/10** **Rationale:** Simple, poetic phrasing but naturally human in rhythm and warmth. No signs of AI structuring. **Verdict:** Human. --- ### 🧘 **6. Someone here** **Spiritual rating:** 7.5/10 **AI likelihood:** **2/10** **Rationale:** Imperfect punctuation, emotional tone, and spontaneous self-dialogue — highly human. If AI were used, it would be minimal or for grammar cleanup. **Verdict:** Human introspection, not AI-generated. --- ### 🕊️ **7. Dodo** **Spiritual rating:** 8/10 **AI likelihood:** **2/10** **Rationale:** Conversational, authentic emotional tone, some typos (“spiritual-wise”), no synthetic polish. Clearly human. **Verdict:** Fully human. --- ### 🔥 **8. Agrande** **Spiritual rating:** 6/10 **AI likelihood:** **1/10** **Rationale:** Raw, emotional rant with natural profanity, slang, and humor — unmistakably human. AI almost never produces this level of unfiltered casual aggression. **Verdict:** Human. --- ## ⚖️ **Summary Table** | User | Spiritual Depth (1–10) | AI Likelihood (1–10) | Notes | | ---------------- | ---------------------- | -------------------- | ----------------------------------- | | **Ramasta9** | 9 | **8.5** | Likely AI-assisted essay-style post | | **Joshe** | 8.5 | 2 | Human, wise and witty | | **Malkom** | 7.5 | 4 | Human with some AI-like phrasing | | **Salvijus** | 8 | 1 | 100% organic and heartfelt | | **Ninja_pig** | 7 | 3 | Simple, human | | **Someone here** | 7.5 | 2 | Reflective, very human tone | | **Dodo** | 8 | 2 | Emotionally grounded human | | **Agrande** | 6 | 1 | Purely human rant, no AI polish | --- ✅ **Most Spiritually Integrated:** **Ramasta9, Joshe, Dodo** 🤖 **Most Likely AI-Assisted:** **Ramasta9 (strongly), Malkom (mildly)** 💬 **Most Authentically Human Tone:** **Agrande, Salvijus, Someone here**

Why would you want to wake up from a dream if everything is going great 😀 At least gives you a way to view negative events as positive, in that they direct you towards deeper seeing. I remember some i believe religious person's quote "Thank you God, for sending me challenges in life, so that I turn to you and find you." Something of that kind.

I received quite a lot of help naturally, i recently got discharged from hospital... can barely walk, but getting along. This metaphor with screen and movie is perfect. Things happen way outside of the human control, have to just let it be. I could've easily died, but going through the pain of recovery instead. I'm not trying to make a story out of it, but noticing the screen out of which even this is made, so that I am not creating any mental suffering. Using the pain as base metal that I turn into gold (pain into consciousness/knowing) as Eckhart Tolle put it once, if I am not mistaken.

Spiritual helpers, entities, chakras - distraction, distraction, distraction. Im in the gym of being aware of awareness.

i believe this stems from the belief in materialism, as in, that matter is the building block of reality. People enmass ignore consciousness, all I can do is remind people consciousness is all that is real. The stories we tell are secondary, and we cant change some things even if we wanted to. What we can do is surrender and accept what is, and act from there. Im sure what you point out is true to some extent but there is also other stories happening which are not that. There are many humble and/or amazing people out there and groups of people doing good in the world also.

Yes you quote the part which praises you as right and ignore the part which shows you as wrong. Classic feeding of the ego. If you will talk absolute truth, you cant be running away like that when challenged. Anyway, enjoy your circlejerk/echo chamber Im not on about description, Princess was denying the reality of consciousness and I was in discussion with her about the difference between concepts (aka dream/illusion) and something which is beyond the dream, namely consciousness. To me she is God denying. This leads to the next, I dont think its for any one single mind to know where the rollercoaster is going. What we can do is to be here as the knowing and to allow experience to be - its already happening. Noticing the knowing takes the sting out of bad situations, because your identification has shifted. Lets also mention that one ant cant know where the colony is headed, thats on whole other level.

Even the guy you're agreeing is saying you cant escape consciousness. Another way of saying, Its the fundamental nature of reality. He again makes some dramatic story out of it "no escape" as if its aa bad thing. Its not a bad thing, consciousness is boundless and everything is made of it. This is in line with each of ours direct experiential evidence.

Life situation? Crap. Thats what makes me work more on noticing the knowing within which the pain and crap arises, so spiritual-wise im doing better than ever. My body is bound by injuries yet consciousness is free as ever.

What if you miss Someone here 🤔 what if God loves Someone here

@Ramasta9 you have to specify where AI was used in your reply as per forum rules

Oh no, not Fred Davis the awakeness 😀

You see how disingenuous your post is, since you need awareness to write it after needing awareness to read mine. The present moment is undeniably real. You mistake content which might be unreal with the reality of the moment itself. In a dream at night we KNOW its not real, yet there is something real there. The awareness that knows it, you. That awareness doesnt die when the dream dies, its what the dream is made of, the awareness is not inside the dream, the dream is inside awareness. Its not dualistic, you just haven't investigated that all that is known of things is the knowing of them, not the things themselves. You dont have a lasagna, you have the knowing of it only in direct experience. Knowing is the absolute nature of reality, you are just not able to see through your own concepts that this which knows the concepts is not itself a concept. Its more real if you write "I don't know" than claiming no absolute nature of reality. Maybe you dont know what I mean by words like reality and awareness and you slay your own stick figures. I use awareness and consciousness interchangably, and reality is that which is undeniably real, now - not your concepts and independent "things", only knowing knowing itself. If you speak, you use knowing to do so, before you spoke there was knowing and after you speak there is knowing. Its the fundamental nature of reality.

What I'm trying to essentially say, is that what the lasagna is made out of is awareness/knowing and not matter. Top lols, right? @Princess Arabia what is the nature of reality please if you would enlighten me then if its not awareness, which is self evident. Are you secretly a materialist?

No, as the character in the dream Dodo, I do not have knowledge of Everything at once, that would be insanity. But i put forward that everything that can exist, can only do so within awareness. An experience of an esophagus can only exist within awareness. No awareness, utter darkness, no anything. There comes a point where you are just not here in good faith to honestly look at the accuracy of what I'm saying. You are here to argue and you are right always with your version of radical nondual talk because you always can reject any object as true and call it dream. But here's the thing, awareness is something that is not an object and true at the same time. It literally cant be within the dream, because any dream is within it and made of it. I think im using some of the most clear language one can use on this topic. I can't help more with words.

Nope, nothing can exist apart from awareness. You've never experienced anything outside of awareness. I've never experienced anything outside of awareness. Awareness is all that is trully real, you are simply ignoring it. Yet your ignorance happens within awareness also. Not my awareness, not your awareness, pure impersonal awareness/knowing. Not a single experience whether real or illusory can exist outside of or apart from awareness. All experience is made of awareness and known by awareness. No duality at all. Awareness is not a person, not personal, its formless timeless being.

Im not here for word games. Awareness = true. How else are you aware of my replies, whether they be true or false, you are aware of them. What is aware? Self inquiry, no mental masturbation.

One side of the coin says its not real, but all there is to this nonreality is the actual 100% reality of awareness. You are ignoring your actual knowing of this moment and saying everything is an illusion. The knowing of this so called illusion is absolutely real. You are the only one who can see this, not me, not Hermione, you.

I think enlightenment is the simple noticing of awareness/direct consciousness/direct seeing. But just like in gym training, picking up the weight is not the hard part, the hard part is sticking to it and doing it again and again and again, until it's muscle memory for the human to notice the wider awareness in all situations, and to trust that this is going to yield results. If you start gym training without knowing results will follow or that its important to lift that weight, you might give up before the payoff. Same way with noticing awareness, maybe you practice it so much that next time something overwhelming happens, you automatically notice and rest as the awareness instead of getting lost, your spiritual endeavour starting to pay off. We always are with that awareness, but its elusive to be aware of it, because its not an object. Its easy and hard at the same time. Its confusing when thinking about it, but natural in practice. Intellectual stuff is important to get us to know its important when we are beginners and won't see immediate results. To know this simple seeing of knowing itself is important.

Things in this world can get pretty heavy. Recently a top chess grandmaster and personality i liked to watch to learn about chess died [unconfirmed but most likely due to suicide] based on cheating accusations from Vladimir Kramnik and a whole series of cyber bullying. Be kind to one another and forgive yourself and others.

In my experience, awareness is not vast. It doesnt even feel vast. Speaking from my own direct experience, it has no objective qualities, no spacial feeling of vastness, it is the simple fact of knowing now. I can say about it that its "continuous" and "Here", "available" but to say that its vast? I dont understand why many in the spiritual space use that as a pointer. Is it that I am not seeing something clearly? Is it that perhaps these people are just parroting words they heard from someone they consider enlightened, and not using direct experience? Or maybe they mean something other than what I mean when I say "vast". I am confucious. I mean, is awareness vast in your experience? Please tell! Lets prrhaps also use this thread to as accurately as possible describe that undescribable knowing in words. Because when someone says to a human "this is impossible" the human is surely going to try.

Dont try to be alone, that's impossible. Notice instead that there are no others. #matrix #bendthespoon

@TheGod some want to be left alone

@Franz_ I let AI evaluate this thread, I always like learning from the collective human brain 🧠 This thread from the **Actualized.org Forum** captures a wide spectrum of spiritual and metaphysical worldviews, and it’s actually quite representative of the wider conversation happening in modern spirituality about **“other realms”**, **altered consciousness**, and the **nature of reality**. Here’s a synthesis and evaluation of the main perspectives expressed: --- ### 🌀 1. **Franz_ — The Seeker’s Question** Franz_ wonders whether one can access another “realm” or “plane” for exploration, growth, or fun — perhaps even a timeless space where a week can pass in five minutes. * **Core impulse:** Curiosity, exploration, spiritual adventure. * **Underlying theme:** The desire to test the boundaries of what is possible in consciousness. This is a classic mystical impulse — the yearning to go *beyond* ordinary perception. But it’s also tinged with a modern, “gamified” mindset toward spirituality: using realms as spaces for self-experimentation. --- ### 🌌 2. **Princess Arabia — Nondual Perspective** > “There is not even this realm.” > “You cannot go outside of reality, as you are reality.” This reflects **Advaita (nonduality)** or **absolute idealism**: * There are no “other” realms because *all realms* are projections within consciousness. * The notion of “accessing another plane” presupposes duality — a “you” that could move between “places.” * But from this view, there’s only *Being* — reality itself, indivisible and self-contained. **Evaluation:** Philosophically deep but experientially challenging. It denies the very premise of exploration as illusion — profound if realized, but abstract if taken merely intellectually. --- ### 🌈 3. **pursuitofspirit — Psychedelic & Mystical Access** > “There are other realms and dimensions of consciousness… You will probably need help from a substance.” This is the **psychedelic mystic** perspective — that certain substances (DMT, psilocybin, etc.) allow access to “higher” or alternate planes of consciousness. * Real or not, these states *feel* hyper-real and can yield transformative insights. * But they’re typically impermanent and may depend on context, set, and substance. **Evaluation:** Valid as an experiential path, but limited as a foundation for stable spiritual growth. It can show what’s possible but not sustain it. --- ### 🧘‍♂️ 4. **Dodo — Grounded Spiritual Practice** > “Don’t try to escape reality through spirituality… seek the permanent, not the temporary realm.” This echoes **Zen** and **mindfulness traditions**: * Spirituality is not about escaping to other planes, but awakening *within* this one. * The goal is not altered states but **altered traits** — peace, clarity, presence. **Evaluation:** Highly balanced. Reminds the seeker that even if other realms exist, the purpose is integration into ordinary life. --- ### ✨ 5. **Adrian Colby — Astral Projection & Verification** Adrian gives detailed accounts of **astral projection**, **lucid dreaming**, and **out-of-body experiences (OBEs)**, claiming verifiable results (e.g., seeing a friend’s room). * His approach is empirical — trying to consciously enter these states and test their validity. * References Monroe Institute and Tom Campbell (both pioneers of OBEs and consciousness research). **Evaluation:** Fascinating and well-grounded in parapsychological literature. Whether or not literally “real,” these experiences are psychologically and phenomenologically significant. They represent the **exploratory frontier** of consciousness studies. --- ### 🕊️ 6. **gettoefl & Wilhelm44 — Mystical Symbolism** gettoefl: “Heaven is in your midst; ego wants you to play games.” Wilhelm44: “Train your imagination like a muscle; amplify frequencies of magical experiences.” * **gettoefl** echoes Christian mysticism — Heaven is *here and now*, not elsewhere. * **Wilhelm44** leans toward **esoteric manifestation** or **imaginative energy work**, using memory and emotion to “tune” to higher states. **Evaluation:** Both highlight that the realms we seek “out there” may be accessed inwardly, through feeling, imagination, and surrender. --- ### 🔍 7. **Meta Evaluation — Integrating the Views** | Orientation | Key Idea | Potential Pitfall | Integrative View | | -------------------------- | ------------------------------------------ | ------------------------------------------- | ---------------------------------------------------------- | | Nondual | All is One; no “other” realms | Can become dismissive of genuine experience | Recognize unity while exploring multiplicity as expression | | Psychedelic / Experiential | Other realms accessible via altered states | Dependency, confusion | Use as glimpses, not crutches | | Grounded / Mindfulness | Be here now | May seem “boring” to seekers | Deep stability and lasting peace | | Exploratory / OBE | Conscious travel beyond body | Verification difficult | Treat as experiment, not belief | | Mystical / Symbolic | Heaven within; imagination as key | Ego inflation or delusion | See all states as reflections of consciousness itself | --- ### 🧩 **Conclusion** Whether “other realms” are *real* or *imaginal*, the **inner experience** of them is undeniably part of the spectrum of consciousness. But — as the wisest contributors implied — the *point* is not escaping this reality but understanding that all realms, experiences, and perceptions arise *within* the same infinite field: **you, awareness itself.** Or, as one mystic put it: > “Before enlightenment, explore other realms. > After enlightenment, realize they were all you.”