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Lets take the duality Subject -> object. Subject is the one that knows, object is the one that is known. Being conscious of consciousness itself is the pinacle of enlightenment. You are being conscious that you are conscious of mind, you are still looking at an object, even if it is subtle. How does the subject become aware of itself? How does the subject see itself as an object? The analogy of the eye is good way to point to this. The moment consciousness looks for itself and turns around, it still is the observer and not the observed, its still on the other side of what is observed. To be aware of awareness or conscious of consciousness is like knowing being itself, without an object being beinged. I dont know how to explain it better. Its like being aware of emptiness. No Mind can grasp that. Your problem is you Think, you cant think about consciousness. Consciousness is that which knows the thinking. Whether you think X Or Y, the same consciousness knows it. Whatever the object of knowing, the subject remains the same. You can say "I have consciousness" or you can say "I am consciousness", both of these thoughts arise in what? Consciousness. Deep sleep is the experience of no mind and no world, there that non experience arises in what? Consciousness. Ofcourse its an experience of nothing, and the subject itself remains, but the subject itself cannot see itself. Thats why you think you stop being conscious during deep sleep, but in fact you are just conscious of nothing during that time. Not even your mind and self, just pure consciousness, source.

Conscious steps, thats so important. We dont realise we run on autopilot and do repetetive activities... walk the same roads, do th same things over and over. Creatures of habit

Listen to this song while changing the context to what the title suggests. Then think about Jesus and His sacrifice. God proved that he loves humans. Glory be to God. Lets not betray His trust in us, and try to be our best selves. Collectively we can achieve enlightenment and be the worthy Humans God wants us to be. The change starts with you and me. Don't let it be empty words and promises. Follow through as God's child. The stronger your desire to sin, the bigger the achievement. It's easy to be a saint if you have no sinful selfish desires. You are free to choose your path and you can turn around at THIS moment, or at least stop for a second and ask yourself, are you going on autopilot, or are you awake. Let's make God proud.

This is the ego games we play, there is always going to be someone bigger if you're trying to be big. Its never enough. How about wanting the opposite, fighting for the opposite, to be as small as possible.. not many are on that queue,everyone is pushing for egoic pleasures, the spiritual line is quite empty. Notice how in some Asian culture, people bow to each other, every one of them acknowledges the other as superior to them.

They are definitely more magical than hands, its all my hands think about 👐

But it makes no sense to me, if your hands were perfectly normal then.. how did you know ur dreaming xD. The idea is that if your hand turns to elephant trunk or anything else crazy you know its dream instantly as its your own hand and you know it well. Usually we dont spot crazy things as crazy in a dream because our logical part of mind is sleeping, but when its your own hand, it works.

Did you flip them back to front? Would be surprised. My hands appeared to have fins at best and turned into elephant trunk another time. Its the best way to find out you're dreaming (lucid dreaming) interesting you were lucid without checking your hands, this only happened to me when I was younger, natural lucid dreams. In this thread I talk about these thinfs

First off hands are a fibonacci ratio masterpiece. Therr is fibonacci all over our bodies. If you measure different proportions on your hand you will get the golden ratio. They are so complex that if you look at your hand during a dream back to front, it wont be able to get generated properly and will turn into something else

Thats a common misconception. In deep sleep there is no mind. Consciousness does not cease. People here keep equating consciousness to Mind. You have to be open to the possibility that you don't understand what consciousness is. Mind wants to know everything. The eye cannot see itself. Consciousness sees Mind Body and Soul, but it cant turn around and see itself. Only objects can be perceived, consciousness cannot be perceived. Don't think you know what consciousness is! Ever heeard that enlightenment is not an experience? Thats definitely not what the mind wants to hear. We want trumpets

I know, I said this to Razard also. When we talk about paradoxical subject with words, we are bound to contradict ourselves. Youve probably heard spiritual teachings that contradict themselves. This is not a conversation for minds, you agree that male and female are different? You want to be both? Separation and diversity is natural part for Life. All united under consciousness. Duality is the creation of nonduality, opposition, play of form. The creation is not the creator. If there is no creation, there is no creator. If the creation is the creator, then was anything really created?

Just to understand my point, I equated mind to male and heart/being to female, because mind is duality and the other is nonduality, the exact polar opposites. Mind Is Duality, you can't have nonduality in the Mind. Mind is a tool designed to divide. It is useful to divide, I am not saying to scrap the mind, im saying its not the Absolute.

Perhaps you think I am trying to argue for arguments sake, im not. The male female duality/polarity is very interesting to observe. The two couldn't be more different. In my personal opinion mind is not consciousness. Being is consciousness, if you don't like the word Heart. You know all that, everyone here knows that. The mind's last attempts at taking back the reigns! Why do you think You are immune to zen devilry? I certainly am not immune, I am only trying to be as honest as possible. What do we say about the state of No Mind. Consciousness ceases to be? If Consciousness IS whether mind or no mind, then it is not Mind, even if Mind can say they are the same. The Canvas IS. Mind is at best like a white or transparent ink on the canvas trying to pretend its the canvas. Mind is not eternal, and we should be happy for this. Ps: listen to the John Lennon video, it's amazing.

Mind trying to take advantage of the innocence of the Heart by being sneaky, what's new! Male principle trying to overpower the female principle, nothing new.

Mind thinks, Heart knows Mind judges, Heart forgives Mind is relative, Heart is absolute.

Ha! Wouldn't that be the ego's dream.

Mind is not consciousness Heart is consciousness

You can lift up a rock and split a stick in two. I don't see reality as a dream, I don't like the analogy. Mind trying to enforce its ideas on boundless consciousness. In a dream i can lift up a car, I have been even spiderman in a dream. In this reality I am a human, I am not designed to lift up cars, but I can do other things.

If you're saying consciousness can appear finite, then you are not looking at consciousness, but something else. Consciousness is already the one looking. The sense of self is not consciousness. !

I dont understand, consciousness can appear? Thats news to me.

Chaos theory, butterfly effect. Small change in initial conditions drastically changes he result over time. Here in the now is always the place for initial conditions. THIS is still the big bang, the beginning of the Universe is Now

consciousness is not finite, its emptiness. The first with no second, the 0th with no first

timestamped 10:45 Very interesting conversation between the light and dark side

Yes, Actually do it, not just thinking about it, find a stick and slowly split it in the middle, but do it slowly and pay close attention. Like it is the most important thing, complete focus on the moment. Have you actually ever done that? Look at it while its breaking and perhaps do it halfway and then start twisting it. Emptiness told you where to look for it! Find Jesus, look.

Isn't it ironic that the biggest black hole becomes one of the brightest objects in the Universe once it evolves to a quasar? How about that light, you are emmitting it, it seems to have escaped, perhaps at your own will. You are just too full! Emptiness can easily escape a black hole, a black hole cannot escape Emptiness. Emptiness is Love, Emptiness is Light. I AM Empty. BEING

Thats your infinity, one of infinite number of infinities within the Absolute infinity of Consciousness. You are telling me your reality, not how it actually is. Light IS. Love IS. SORRY i had to break it to you 🙏 You know its true when you look into your heart, even if it is a black corrupted heart. Yes you are a black hole, once you eat enough you will shine light out. There is a balance of things my friend, respect the balance. Never go full sith mode.