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You can, there was aa guy from this forum who recently asked Rupert Spira about solipsism. But its not about relationship guru and disciple, if you watched the Mooji meditation he specifically talks about how in That space there is no guru and no disciple. These are games of time. We talk about the timeless root.

Im sorry man, its not intentional. These things are a mindfuck I am trying to get the conversation outside of mind and suggested practices. What more do you want? I am not here to feed you dogma or my beliefs.

My bad Im not seeking anything, I was trying to help by getting my point across. I have no problem currently. If you are also not seeking anything from this conversation, everyone is happy! But you have a problem?

Alligators are conscious breathers so they dont accidentally breathe in water 😆

Wtf? 😆 alligators are conscious breathers, make sure you dont piss them off like that.

Use this thorn to remove the other thorn, but don't forget to discard both thorns. You are not 2 things right? If I ask you how many Yous are there, a normal person would respond 1. That means you are either only the True self or only the Ego. What is the Ego? The Ego is what you THINK you are. So you are empty consciousness, but think you are the ego. So a pointing is needed to start dissolving your belief of who you are by being clearly that which you actually are. For this one needs to remove the objects of experience and rest in Himself. You do it every night in deep sleep and you come back from the source refreshed. Why not do it while awake? Meditation

Correct way to let go, I already posted two Masters telling you how to connect to the deeper Self. Mooji and Rupert Spira.

That's overthinking it. Try this Drop all labels, its never about the labels, but about what they point to.

Ok lets not talk about God. Whether reality is a dream or not, real or hallucinated, the space in which it appears is absolutely real. That space is you. Dont take my word for it, during a dream You are inside your fantasy world. The same You that is conscious now is conscious in your dream. Everything there is illusory, except the You in which the dream appears. The same for waking. The space which holds your mind is undeniably real, and it cannot be perceived as an object. You already mentioned, the only way to know it is to be it.

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Its not a phenomenon. Are you seriously theorising about the space in which your experience arises? You dont have a direct point of reference for that you need to theorise about it? Lol

You cant control it per se, but you can direct it, like a grand orchestra. You don't control the orchestra, but you can conduct it.

I dont have the answers for you. I thought you are looking for an honest investigation of reality, not more mind stuff.

@Ahbapx lets ask the important questions are you in control of your mind, or is it in control of you? Try sitting for a second or having a walk in the park. be fully conscious, who is making the decisions? Are they automatic? You have to be able to take a step back from the mind and observe it for what it is, a tool. Can you effortlessly distance yourself from your thoughts, or do you sometimes let them suck you in? You will notice mind is a powerful machine, and you need to take a step back sometimes from it. Then you can return to it consciously and directing it in whichever direction you choose. I say a balance needs to be achieved. Too much mind? Yoou need to stop. Too much no-mind? You need to start. You have to follow the path by using the power of the pathless path. There is no path and there is a path, its paradoxical. I wouldn't have it any other way. The mind cant get any of this, but to being it is the simplest thing. Make sure that Consciousness Moooji points to controls where you look, and not your mind. But do this in the park, perhaps while sitting on a bench. Take back control and ground yourself in impersonal consciousness and then orchestrate your mind from that backwards step position. Let go, try not to judge anything or aanyone, even someone you perceive as annoying, like someone shouting and disturbing your peace. Dont judge anything and dont think, tune in to the true reality through Being itself.

Sorry man, I wrote a long comment, but the site bugged and it got lost. You already noticed that I mean something else with the word conciousness. Consciousness is not an object to be finite. We cant do anything here just talking. We are in the realm of mind, thats why I suggested you a practical meditation. Consciousness is the background of your experience right now. I get that your experience is finite, but have you ever explored the background? That which allows your finite experience to be known and to be, to exist? How can you place a boundary on that, when its not an object to be perceived? Listen to Mooji's practical meditation to marinate in pure awareness.

All objects of perception, thoughts feelings, any object of experience I call mind. What you have of Matter is Mind. You have a sensation of a brain, perhaps a feeling of a brain and thoughts, but notice it is all mind stuff. Once we're set that our experience is mind and not matter, we can go further What is mind, what are objects of appearance and where do they appear. To whom or to what do they appear, in what do they appear, and we see it is the empty presence of awareness or consciousness. This requires subtle looking and self inquiry. The mind then we see is fleeting, but there is something in experience which remains constant, and that is consciousness.

Well, here brain is a bit of a swear word, your direct experiential evidence points that mind is more real than brain. Instead of Brain>Mind>Consciousness, why don't you flip that Consciousness>Mind>Brain, each one result of the previous. Try to look at the world like that and see if that map makes more sense

-Jesus Christ -Buddha -Rupert Spira -Eckhart Tolle -Ramana Maharshi -Adyashanti -Your own higher self, the one who whispers, not shouts.

More on Light vs Darkness: Luke and the father (Vader) are One

@Water by the River The God/Goddess/Spirit references remind me of this video

Here is a soft example of light vs darkness, but there are far more serious examples out there. The cop was not full on darkness, but if his ego was bigger and there were no cameras, you know how things can turn. The black man is a righteous man, a truthful man. Sometimes those in position of power can abuse it, just like a wasp against a bee.

While that is true, the game doesn't end there, it begins. There is still the fight or dance between the light and the darkness. How can we use the knowing of Noself to be lightbringers into the world full of darkness? Bees vs Wasps. Bees are hardworking and Good. Wasps are cheaters, strong, overpowering. They steal and plunder, kill the bees and take their hard earned fruits by force. Yes both are within Consciousness, but one of the species is destructive and aggressive, while the other is honorable and hardworking. I know many instances in my life when I've unconsciously fed Evil. As a child I used to catch lightbugs and feed them to spiders. I just enjoyed it. We need to use Source to convert darkness into light. Black holes into quasars. Negative to positive. I think this is where Jesus Christ comes in the equation

@Water by the River strong pointers brother, props

@Ahbapx Try this meditation, be as you are, perhaps sit and close your eyes for less distractions. Ofcourse this can be done while eyes open and even moving about, you will just have more objects of experience to be with. Whatever thoughts feelings sensations arise, let them be there but be more interested in what knows those. Once you get an answer as to what knows all those, keep being interested in what knows that answer, dont take the answer as the Truth. The truth is constant. if you had to paint the knower of your experience, the literal knower, not the known, would you even need to strike a single brush stroke? The sky is already there, even when there are clouds, but we must not focus on the clouds as the truth, because clouds are temporary. Sky is the eternal Truth. This is another analogy. To begin understanding emptiness/nothingness/consciousness, try thinking in your mind about the smallest object, a point. What is a point? It has 0 dimensions, it actually is not an object, we think of it as an object, but if you really had to represent a real point in reality, you don't have to add ink at all. The point is nothingness, you let go of the tiny image of a point, and what remains? Only the entire page! The page didn't have to be drawn! Now that you know the point covers the entire page, anything you draw on the page is smaller than a point! Paradoxical, the smallest thing suddenly is the largest thing.

My friend you are theorising. You say some good things about the no effort recognition and then your mind swoops in! You dont get how close and how far you are at the same time. Its like talking to someone who gets it and doesnt get it at the same time! You equate consciousness to self. But it is the NoSelf. The Higher self. The Isness that is Universal, not just for your mind. Its the same for the ants, the same for the bees, the same for the crows, the same for the trees. Perhaps its a mystery how consciousness arises, because it doesn't arise. Perhaps it is always there, like the canvas of a grand painting. Some say Truth is way too simple, it gets overlooked and handwaved as not important. Slow down! The effortless knowing bit, start to get interested in what that is, experientially. Some say, Marinate in the Truth.