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I like when people say end of psychological suffering. But to me continuous pain in any form is still suffering. So let's not say it's the end of suffering aka Hell, but it's the end of the unnecessary suffering. Here''s a picture of what suffering might look like. Of course if you're enlightened you would probably not be as scarred after the event, but during, oh man. It would be interesting if this is not suffering.

In each moment you will act exactly as you are designed to act @Loreena this is super liberating! I for one <3 cause and effect! @Prabhaker This is profound, and on another level, when one sees they are not the doer, they are now equal to meditation, because they never did anything ever!! Lovely jubly timey wimey stuff

@Loreena In essense, this is a dream of cause and effect. You are right to believe in it. Seeing that everything the human does is based on genes and up to date conditioning is very freeing. You see that there is no doer. Whatever happens is based on the way the people are. No-one is in control of their genes and up to date conditioning, ever since birth. Life shapes us, humans are a diamond taking shape as it was in that one song! There is no chooser, no doer, no thinker - everything happens the way it happens. Observe the machine! But that's not the whole story! That's what we're on this forum to find out!

In Soviet Russia Enlightenment seeks you!

But without the finger we don't know where to look! I mean im sure @Key Elements was not implying the books are the truth. He's implying exactly that they are the finger: creative expression that points to it. Why are you talking against the finger, im sure you've Gone through a lot of those fingers based on your knowledge base.

I agree with you ?

And at the same time the worst? Hahahahha

@aurum So I'm sitting here at work and I look to the right, and one of the documents of my colleague has written on it the word Angel. Hehehe what a coincidence. Figures! My business lady guardian angel shows up on a financial document!

Leo pleaseee, you're making me blush! ?

I cant remember exactly which one. They all are good on youtube, just search for third eye / crown chakra opening frequency I haven't used them in a long time, maybe I should revisit. Actually now I did some browsing and I remember the background. I guess it wasnt crown chakra, but third eye activation vid! Either way the frequency is high! This one is powerful!

@aurum I've met with the angel assigned to me inside a dream. It was a night after listening to crown chakra activational video on youtube and felt a tingling sensation at the top of my head. The dream itself was super profound and I got a couple of insights, which have made a difference. I don't know how I knew she was my guardian angel, she looked like an ordinary business lady. We were not talking, all communication was done telepathically, as is in dreams. She was simply giving me guidance. The next morning, I was curious what this sensation at the top of my head was, and I stumbled on a site which said that feeling such a pressure at the top of the skull is basically like the universe sending you a package/guidance. Then I knew this dream had to be more than just a dream. I actually was with my guardian Angel. I still haven''t seen any in wakeful state and haven't communicated with angels since then or before then. I guess what I'm saying is, I freakin believe you!!! Angels are real.

Cool cool but if mind is an illusion, it's illogical to be giving it that much importance to an illusion! Illusion needs to be defended to persist, stop defending it and it will drop -its logical

Well there we go, so what's this talk bout mind then! The fabticated enlightenment is not the one to go for. The only way is to discover yourself as the Tao, otherwise it would have to be an outward movement through mind.

That would imply you suggest life is a property of the mind and not the other way around? Ouch Enlightenment is about transcending mind, not about improving mind or looking enlightened to others.

A=Aristotelian logic B=Buddha Nature Apply Buddha's logic, get rekt by yourself!

Buddhas logics are the logics of 0 and infinity then. Things break around there, it doesn't mean it's illogical! It's logical for things to break when talking about 0 and infinity.

I hate double quoting, but I want to stress that here you're doing a big no-no. You are separating humans from nature. Absolutely everything is nature, even computers. It's just different type of nature. Everything is ultimately made of the same stuff, why should we separate?

Aristotle is also nature Logic is also nature, why are you denying an aspect of yourself? You use logic absolutely all the time. Otherwise you would be in a nut house and dangerous to yourself and others.

I want to go a tiny bit offtopic because this is very interesting. Nonduality is pretty logical. When the subject is isolated from objects, it disappears. Boom ego death

Alan Watts is just another avatar of God, like the separate you and the separate me. So Alan watts as the avatar was not enlightened, but Alan Watts as the Self behind the avatar was enlightened. No avatar can be enlightened, because enlightenment is transcending the avatar. Oh and it's funny when I see people discussing the understanding of people based on what they shared with the public. If a Bentinho Massaro or a Rali are believed to be enlightened avatars, then Alan Watts has to be superenlightened.

Well dawg i cant hold my breath for that long jeeee ??

That's why im not interested in what I see, but the witness itself.

I am not coming out with the thoughts, but that's another fight. I did never say you have to believe you are absent of thought. I'm in the business of stating facts here!

Because the absence of belief cannot be belief The absence of thought cannot be thought Etc etc

I'm more non-dual than you!