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@Breakingthewall That which is translogical incorporates logic and transcends it; that which is illogical denies logic and therefore doesn'thold water, no matter how you slice it. Don't fall for the pre/trans fallacy. It's not a pretty place to dwell in.

Trust me... once you really get this, you will laugh out loud at any mention of dogmatic & incoherent Advaita nonsense and wonder how you could ever take it seriously. It's actually hilarious once you see it for what it is.

I feel like this thread deserves a 😌

Well, not quite. Here's the catch: Whatever you express with words is always a partial description of reality, meaning that it is an illusion. So yes, "separation" is an illusion, but so is its opposite. In other words: The thought "separation is just an illusion and therefore untrue" IS ALSO AN ILLUSION. Here's what I think most of you don't yet fully grasp: There is no particular way that reality "really" is. The totality of reality (aka. the Absolute) is the sum total of all possible qualities and therefore has no specific quality to speak of. So whatever you say about it is not it --- and also it is, because not even the statement "whatever you say about it is not it" is absolutely true. In other words: It is dual AND nondual, it is one AND many, it is physical AND non-physical, it is full AND empty, it is time AND timelessness, it is form AND formlessness, it is everything, nothing and all of the stuff in between... and also, it's none of it. See what I mean?

These conversations with you people on here are truly amazing. "Reality is all there is, therefore illusions are part of reality." - "What do you mean? Isn't an illusion something that isn't real?" - "No. Illusions are real, because reality is all there is, and therefore illusions are part of reality." - "Ah, I see. So Illusions are real after all?" - "Yes, they are real, because reality is all there is, and therefore illusions are part of reality." - "But wait... isn't an illusion something that isn't real?" - "No. An illusion is something that is real, because reality is all there is, and therefore illusions are part of reality." - "I am confused. I always thought that Illusions aren't actually real!" - "Well, actually illusions are real, because reality is all there is, and therefore illusions are part of reality." - "But how can Illusions be real, when everyone knows that they aren't real?" - "They can be real because reality is all there is, and therefore illusions are part of reality." - "Ok, I see. So what you are saying is that Illusions are real, even though, err, well, they aren't actually real?" - "No. What I am saying is that illusions are in fact real, because reality is all there is, and therefore illusions are part of reality." - "But... HOW CAN ILLUSIONS BE REAL WHEN THEY'RE NOT?!" Priceless.

That which seems to happen is that which happens. That which happens is that which seems to happen. And it happens / seems to happen as part of reality, therefore it really happens. All of this silly Advaita wordplay isn't going to get you anywhere, my precious cupcake. 😘

Yes it does, which is why duality is an undeniable and necessary feature of reality... as is nonduality. As is every other existing illusion. If the illusion weren't necessary, it wouldn't exist.

@Breakingthewall What you call perception without center is what I call the (high frequential) unification and integration of opposites aka. illusions; see my "theory of everything". @gettoefl Nice self-contradictory dualistic worldview you got there, lol. Reality can only ever perceive /experience / be aware of itself, since it is all there is. So the notion that there is something which is "unreal" that you need to somehow "get rid of" is complete and utter BS (no offense). It is exactly the type of all too popular half-baked Advaita-style nonsense that I have pointed out in my "Paradox vs. Contradiction" thread. @Someone here Go (re)read my theory of everything, then come back and read the OP. If after that you still don't get it, then I simply can't help you. @Human Mint Latin illudere -> in + ludere (to play). An illusion is a game that happens inside of reality, so to speak. It's reality playing with itself as a way to experience / be aware of itself. How do you know that reality is not a red striped elephant? All of reality aka. the Absolute cannot be put into words, because otherwise it would not be all of reality. So it can't be an illusion, since an illusion is something (as opposed to no-thing/everything). Nice examples... borrowed from personal experience, I presume.

For a deeper dive, check out my previous two threads: 😘

@Hojo Paradox: Your comment is both smart AND stupid. Contradiction: I am rolling my eyes AND I don't give a hoot.

BAM. That's what I am talking about. Two sides of the same coin. Appearances are real, reality is conscious, conciousness is illusory, illusions are reality. Different ways of saying / pointing to the exact same thing. The World Is Illusion. Only Brahman Is Real. The World Is Brahman. 🕉

PS - Here is an additional pointer for those who may be slow or reluctant to (in this case quite literally) put all of the pieces together: One thing that my "theory" implies is that so-called enlightenment is not a state, meaning that it's not the experience of a specific quality such as oneness, timelessness, emptiness, formlessness or no-self, but rather the unification of all states / qualities / facets of reality: Oneness AND multiplicity, time AND timelessness, fullness AND emptiness, form AND formlessness, self AND no-self - in short: ALL of reality. So if you feel like you are experiencing a "permanent" nondual state, then keep going... you have made a crucial first step by shifting from a dual to a nondual perspective, but now it is time to transcend both duality and nonduality by bringing them together and seeing the full picture. (Of course, none of this is prescriptive. If you prefer to stay attached to a certain relative perspective, then by all means, go ahead - your body-mind, your choice. You can even choose to pretend that you don't have a choice, if that's what floats your boat. I am just pointing at the bigger picture here... do with it what you will.) 😌🙏🤎

@Someone here Here is a relatively simple analogy that might help you to understand better what I am talking about. This is the famous Yin Yang symbol, which I am sure you are familiar with. Now, here's a question for you: Is this symbol white, or is it black? It's obviously both, right? So the symbol possesses / represents not only one specific quality, but two: Whiteness and blackness. Now imagine a thing which has not only two qualities but literally every single quality that there could possibly be, including the quality of not having any quality whatsoever. This "thing" - which is no-thing as well as everything - is the Absolute aka. All of Reality. This no-thing / everything cannot be experienced directly, since it is impossible to experience every possible quality that there is all at once. So what does it do in order to be able to experience itself? It splits itself up into infinite parts, each of which represents and embodies a specific quality (just as Yin represents blackness and Yang represents whiteness), and then it lines them all up in space and time so that it can experience them one by one. Now, when it moves its awareness very slowly from part to part (so to speak), then each quality that is being experienced in the moment is being experienced for a pretty long time; and the longer it takes for a certain quality (or part of reality) to be experienced, the more dense, stable, sticky and "permanent" it seems. Now, go back and take another look at the Yin Yang symbol. Imagine that you could never see (experience) the whole symbol all at once, but only one part at a time. Imagine that there is a switch in front of you that you can flip either to the left or to the right; and depending on which side you flip the switch, you see either the Yin part (black) or the Yang part (white) appearing on the screen. (Remember: You can never see them both at the same time.) - So, the only way for you to get an idea of what it would be like to see the full symbol all at once is to flip the switch back and forth as fast as possible; and the faster you flip it back and forth, the more it will seem like you are looking at the whole symbol. This is basically what spirituality is about. It's about learning to flip the switch as fast as possible (by whatever means necessary) in order to "perceive the Absolute" - which you never fully do, but you can get closer and closer and closer and closer to it... unto infinity. Because that's literally what the Absolute is: Infinity aka. All there is. Hope that helps.

Says who? Cool. Very true. Uh-oh... I'll take cover, lol.

That's relatively (un)true, just like any other relative perspective. 😘 There's nobody here to chew anyone out, remember? It's all a dreeeeeaaaaaam! (Relatively speaking.)

I know, and that's precisely the issue that I am pointing out. You don't seem to realize that the perspective of "there is noone here / there is nobody to teach / there are no other people" is just as much a mentally fabricated story as the perspective of "there is someone here / there is somebody to teach / there are other people". They are simply two (relative) sides of the same (absolute) coin. Purely conceptual fairytales, just like anything that can be expressed with words. Like this, for example: Again, nothing but a relative perspective aka. mental story. I could say the exact opposite of what you wrote, and it would be just as (in)valid from an absolute standpoint. No words can ever capture that which is absolute. It is that which holds all perspectives, gives rise to all perspectives, encompasses and is aware of all perspectives, regardless of their content. And guess what... even THAT isn't absolutely true, lol.

Then why do you assume that enlightenment means that one adopts and becomes attached to the relative perspective (aka. mental story) of "there is noone here / there are no other people"?

Still confusing nonduality with absolute truth, are we?

I swear, every once in a while AI coughs up some real good shit. ✨️

This. 😘

Preach, brother.

THIS, of course.

@Princess Arabia Check out ZDogg on my other thread. You ought to love the guy.

Ding ding ding!

That's the idea. It's the eternal cosmic game. Cause what else is there to do?