Mellowmarsh

Okay, so now you’ve figured out there’s no self in a human body. Just as there’s no self there in a newborn baby. We all arrived to conscious life as a baby absent of a self. So yeah, the self that appeared later on as the brain developed the capacity to synthetically construct a self because we couldn’t just live our lives not knowing anything at all about anything, we had to know something in order to make sense of why we are alive in the first place. So we became more and more knowledgeable as our brains archived more and more information that it could access when the demand for the knowledge was triggered. So then if there’s no actual self in the body knowing all this knowledge then that just becomes obvious that knowledge is an illusory hallucination the brain is creating. So now what, all we’ve discovered is that the self is simulated entity an emergent from the physical body that is made out of empty space. So now we know what’s going on. Can we just live now like we’ve always done and stop being in conflict with selves that are not here to do battle with.

How so, how can death and dying be a mystery, when you already know death is an event that happens to the body? And yet death is never our actual experience, it’s not like we can be present at our death and then suddenly wake up to be able to confirm death happened to the body for absolute certainty. We speak about death being a mystery and yet it’s not is it, because doctors are able to observe a human flat lining heart on a machine, the death of a body is known to happen. But it’s not the bodies actual experience.. that’s the only mystery about life and death, is that there’s no one around in the body to witness the birth and death of its body.

Why the need to talk about ego dissolution all the time…escapism seems like a coping mechanism designed to cope with the cold hard truth of not knowing death…it’s all escapism for the human… here are some more examples of escapism …from the stresses of being a conscious human being. Usage of psychedelics or weed, or alcohol, or cigarettes, or sexual pleasure, or material shopping addiction. It’s all distractions to soothe the existential pains of being self aware, even the practice of spiritual work is another way to soothe yourself. Through this spiritual work you have discovered that you are able to commit suicide, kill the ego so to speak. All that’s happening is a desire to disappear because it’s just too painful emotionally and physically to cope with being a self aware conscious sentient creature. Then there’s the pretending to know what you cannot possibly know, and that’s another tool you use to justify your desire to lose yourself, the self you think you have, but then also you then deny yourself that thought of having a self by seeking to kill that self you now don’t have. Can’t you see how insane this human life is.

The desire to keep talking about nothing to ghosts. Let all these ghostwriters agree and have done with it, agree to shut up talking about nothing when there’s nothing to see here, and nothing to talk about. Human self awareness was nature’s cruelest trick, making them know stuff, and at the same time making them want to escape their existential fears of not knowing what death is. Humans know they will die and so seek to end their lives before they actually do die for real. It’s really bazaar behaviour the more I think about it, it’s been bugging me for the longest time. So I was glad this thread was created so I could express my horror of being conscious of torture pain and suffering. Constantly sharing talks about nothing to nothing is pointless, it’s just ego puffing itself up to see who can ruffle up the most puff, it’s mindless nonsense.

Okay mr echo chamber tell me something I don’t already know.

The point is this can be known but it’s pointless to talk about it to anyone else especially while you’re saying there is a you, namely you, but there is nothing there as that you. So it’s pointless to keep saying it to someone else or even yourself, I mean there’s nothing in this you to receive this message. Its pointless.

There’s no such belief system as a non existent duality. Duality is how existence works, even though it’s still one unified whole, the illusion of separation still holds true otherwise nothing would make sense as there’s an inherent desire to maintain this separation because it’s rooted in survival and self preservation, we are selfish in this sense. We don’t want our lives to be destroyed by illusion, we don’t want to be selfless because nature designed humans to be selfish. Humans are complex self aware beings, they are conscious of birth and death and suffering and pain as concepts known and that is an existential dread too much to bear sometimes that’s why they seek ways to escape through denial. And is why animals are luckier than humans because they have no conscious story of separation, or an I who is born and will die.

Is anyone here familiar with the Author Tim Freke the philosopher and author of many nondual books? He wrote loads of nonduality books, but recently changed his mind about nonduality, saying it just stopped making sense to him. So much so that he decided he couldn’t go on selling these books to people, he felt like a fraud and no longer felt like a genuine person anymore, so after spending years on nondual research and months and months of time spent writing books on the subject that he admitted he was once very passionate about, he then took a complete U turn and decided to destroy all his books. That’s someone who I can admire who isn’t afraid to be open enough to admit to himself that he may have been wrong about nondualism.

When we already understand nonduality, it’s pointless to talk to others who also understand it. It would be like talking to dead people. Its not even wise to talk about nonduality to people who do not understand nonduality either, I mean why would someone who doesn’t understand non dualism want to be told they don’t exist the way they think they do? Its pointless. Thats why I think we should just keep it to ourselves. Nondual forums just incite tension and conflict, it’s just madness, and such a bad idea. Spirituality and nondual conversations are the epitome of stupidity, in my opinion.

Nondual nature will never be free from narcissism spiritual ego because unity has no other choice than to choose to separate. Unless anyone posting here is claiming they are not a human. Then that’s the complete madness right there. The human experience is intrinsically designed to perceive a split between self and world. From this perspective, the "dream" is the egoic belief that we are isolated individuals rather than expressions of a single, unified reality. You might not have chosen to be consciousness, but you have chosen to be human as a perceived concept known. You don’t go around talking to unity, you talk to separation. You talk to others because you choose to perceive separation. No human ever says to another human , oh wait, I’m not talking to another human I’m just talking to another consciousness who is not separate from me. It’s stupid, of course they are separate from you. This nondual stuff is absolute BS This is the lunacy of non dualism…. Humans were never meant to wake up from the dream of separation otherwise it would be game over, even for unity. The whole point of unity is to separate. Otherwise it would just be one big blob of what exactly? Exactly. The separation is designed by unity so unity could play the game. There’s no game without two players, it’s always going to be a two player game. This perspective argues that separation is a chosen, or inherent aspect of the human game rather than a mistake to be fixed. That’s why it’s totally bonkers for two awakened or enlightened characters to even attempt to talk to each other when they already know there’s no one there in those bodies to bounce off. Those who do wake up should keep it to themselves, and keep quiet. Talking about it just puts them back in duality, the very state they say is illusory. No, we’re not meant to wake up, that’s the whole damn point of the game.

What is a structure, exactly? Is it a physical object, or something else?

By typing these words I can also claim this something is nothing, because I wouldn’t be able to know what something means without also knowing what nothing means. And the occurrence is occurring as the concept is known. When the concept is already known, why question what it is?

So there’s no thing that is limitless freedom. So then what gets caught up in some thing if there’s no thing to get caught up ?

In the occurrence.

I’m not caught in something if I can consciously be aware of nothing. I can equally be caught up in nothing too.

Why though, tell me why I should? Do you know why you smoke LSD… If you do, then tell me why you smoke it?

Why are you saying I should when I already understand what nothing means. And I’m not caught up in somethingness as you assume? So give me another reason why I should smoke LSD?

But why would you need to smoke LSD or DMT etc… if Love is Nothing. What would smoking reveal Nothing, and what’s the point in that?

So it’s not a place but contains a place. Okay.

So it’s not a place that contains a place. Okay.

Wot? 🤷‍♀️

If it’s real then where does the real go upon awaken from sleep? Obviously I’m not in the real anymore if I’ve woken up and not asleep anymore?

Is that another kind of escapism?

If only that very long sleep was real. I get fed up of waking up and thinking oh heck not this brutal place again.

😂