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I appreciate the sarcasm, perhaps you misunderstand what I mean. I have said I do not advocate the shadow red, I advocate red in order to raise consciousness. Un-healthy or shadow red can spoil everything else no? Same with beige, if your eating a bunch of junk, but your a master in stage yellow, you'll get fucked up at some point due to your bad health. (Which beige is responsible for no?)

I will accept it. What do you mean there is nothing more to understand? How can god make thing happen simultaneously, yet at the same time, what Leo said about all experience ending is not true??? More videos will change that.

We need more heroic red in people.

Leo! This is ludicrous. If god allows for "everything" than that means everything. Including an experience that lasts forever and is painful. And yes, since god allows for everything, it simultaneously is not the case. But still. You get my point. Why does no experience last forever, when god HAS to allow for everything therefore making some experience out there from some ego, last forever, and be painful. Linear time does not last for ever???????? What? So you can suffer forever in linear time? WHAT???? This is way to much, Looking forward to future uploads explaining this.

This new upload. 0_O. People are going to think your are crazy. @Leo Gura (The new upload reminded me of this cinematic) The ramifications of this are HUGE. Horrifying? Yes? No? Well, from the perspective of a human. I know only pain and pleasure. When you tell me I will inevitably "experience" everything. That absolutely sucks. Everyone fiction book I read is real, and simultaneously is not. I was prisoner from Asuchwitz? And Hitler? And I'm simultaneously them right now? Warhammer 40k is real? But isnt real? But... oh no no no no, god can't be that simple. Your simplifying it way to much. I mean, it's a nice try, but no cigar. You make it sound like everyone is absolutely fucked. It is to much. To much. To much to figure out in a life-time. So many questions. We're looking at something so smart, a singularity, a mega-mind that goes goes meta on everything, even itself. Infinitely, such that nothing can ever touch it. Unless...... Me,your, or someone else can somehow allow for pain to be switched everywhere in the absolute i "Everything" includes dimensions one cannot even comprehend, that means there is something OTHER than experience altogether. There is literally nothing that is not everything. Absolute infinity means everything is true, my dog, my cat, memes. Everything. Note: The human mind cannot ACTUALLY comprehend the truth, listening to the new video, I noted it was VERY RELATIVE to the human perspective. -The Human mind does not except two opposing things to happen simultaneously (for example, the mind cant compute an object being in a space, and nothing being in that space simultaneously, it is either one or the other) (Another example, you mind cannot compute flipping a coin and it land on head with tails facing flat on the table, yet tails also facing the ceiling at the same time) -The Human mind can only compute linearly, one event after the other. -Language can only point to experience. Pinch the palm of your hand, now caress the palm of your hand. Note the contrasting experience. Now try get someone who has never felt either of those experiences to understand what those experiences actually are via words. Impossible. -Holding the identity of a human is a limit. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With the Human ego. There are two main types of experiences that dominate our live. Pleasure and Pain. These sensations come in many different forms. Think back to the last time when you felt very nauseous or were badly sick, note that feeling, and note your unwillingness to be in that state. Now think back to the last time you were enjoying a chocolate bar, or watching a movie you liked, and not your willingness to be in the state. This is a burning question for me? Why is one easy, and why is one hard? Why not the other way round? All we know as a human. For literally NO REASON, one sucks. One is not easy. All reasoning to why pain sucks is bullshit. This is DEAD SERIOUS business. An example of an Ultimate Horror from the human perspective God gives no fucks. Leo. God could put you, right now as your current ego into a dimension where you feel the pain of intense nausea and boiling water and are kept alive for an infinite amount of time. Also, in this dimension, god has made it impossible for you to love it or accept, or connect with god. What will you do then? THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION. What will you do then? You'll do nothing. Is the truth horrifying? Well yes, from the perspective of the human ego, the worst thing to the human ego is Pain, and the worst pain the human ego can imagine is, very, very bad pain. When you tell that ego there exists a dimension where you are kept alive to feel the pain of boiling water and intense nausea for an eternity, and that you will experience that at some point. Of course the ego is going to be scared. But......... It's absolute infinity right? So everything can happen and is happening? All humans(including those in dimensions where they feel extreme pain for an eternity like the one I described earlier) feel no pain , and instead feel filled with infinite joy... Wait, hang on a second. But I thought it was for eternity? What? God makes it possible for something to occur, and not occur simultaneously. For example, god makes it so there is pain felt by anything anywhere, but makes that same pain also felt by everyone everywhere at the same time........................................ It is really more confusing than terrifying. If god is constantly going meta on himself, how does anything have experience if it is constantly changing the rule-set? Why surrender my self to the truth when I can become an Immortal Ego? If I am god, and everything is god. Including ego, and if ego is the source of suffering because ego claims it is not god thus creating it's own suffering through make out it is something separate from god. God creates dimensions where itself is trapped in ego for an eternity, therefore suffers in ego for and infinite amount of time. But since god is god, god doing whatever the fuck he likes, also makes this not the case simultaneously such that there is a dimension where egos suffer for an infinite amount of time, and yet makes it so that dimension does not exist at all! It all the ultimate mind-fuck. What the actual fuck? If god is a mind, it looks like he cant make up his fucking mind. I have noticed this before, I remember in a thread a while ago back. Loops, god just fucking loops, and loops and loops, god is always outsmarting you, every time, every time you take 1 step to understand him, he takes 2 steps further away from you. I think surrendering would be a grave mistake. Surrendering to yourself? Have you imagined what you can do to yourself? And you decide to surrender yourself to yourself to let yourself do whatever you want with yourself? God gives no fucks, so he decides to put your into ego where you suffer for eternity, also making it impossible for you to love or accept anything. So as god in the form of this ego in this horrifying dimension, you suffer in this dimension forever after. What are you going to do then? Fuck that, your lucky to be this human ego. Your god! You can do whatever the fuck you want. With this truth in hand, the most appealing thing for the human ego to go after is to become an immortal "god" ego, an ego which never dies and experiences pleasure in linear time for infinity AKA, A LITERAL GOD (EGO) What is the point of giving up your identity of ego when it could just mean getting put into some twisted dimension where you suffer for eternity?Why not, when you have the chance to, immortalize your current ego, such that you live in linear time for infinity, and have as much pleasure as you want. Then you wont EVER have to face the suffering. Becoming immortal is a definite prospect of the future. Since god is god, he makes this possible and impossible simultaneously? As an ego, I'm worried that it sucks to be God. It sure sounds like it. Why be God and have to face everything, when I can become an "Ego" god and experience linear time for infinity with as much pleasure as I want. (How would one do this? Technology of course). The best course of action seems to extend ones lifespan in order to have more time to seek out immortality, to then become a god who has access to infinite pleasure for infinite linear time. Also, it gives one a lot more time to study to figure all of this shit out. The ultimate enemy, from every humans perspective is PAIN, especially lengthy or eternal, intense pain.

But if god allows for everything, what if he gets someones ego, put it into a dimension where I am immortal, for an infinite amount of linear time, to be tortured in the most intense pain forever. Whoever that ego is , is absolutely fucked, because there is no escape, and he will never get to experiance all the parts of himself because he is trapped being immortal, and never dying, in infinite linear time. This is horrifying. How could you embrace this? You would'nt be able to. God can make it so you cannot embrace, love, or accept anything in this dimension is well. Or is there a chance? If god is me, and god allows for everything, it means everything is possible and impossible at the same time. Such that , if put into such a dimension, there is a chance of an escape, but simultaneously, there isnt? It's to much.... more videos please.

Yeah. But what if I embrace everything, and then since I did that, god (myself) sticks my ego inside a dimension where I feel intense pain(torture basically) for an infinite amount of linear time, further more, in this dimension, go has made it so I am stuck in the ego, and cannot escape, he has also made it impossible for me to accept anything , or to love anything, even to try to, so I cant even in embrace the intense pain because I have no free-will. Since god has to include everything, that is one of the dimensions/realitys. What then? What if God did that to you? What would you do then? This is a serious question. I'm not trying to criticise you or anything, but, what if I decided to do that to myself? Embracing it seems as if to force yourself to laugh even when your being tortured, you'd think your the bigger man for laughing, but the laughing wont stop the pain. But even in the dimension I described, thats not even possible. This seems like quite the serious pedicament. If you become an immortal ego that feels intense pain in linear time for an infinite amount time, with no free will to make any choices, just "feel". The absolute horror., and I think some constipation I had in the past was bad. I mean, how does it all work? If your an ego that lives for infinity, that means, you only get to experiance that ego and nothing else ever, therefore, avoiding parts of yourself. And god could make it so that happens to your or my ego,and make it so we also experience intense pain (as described in the scenarios earlier) Leo, would you not seek immortallity so you have more time to study?

Why not the other way around. God only appears in chaos, otherwise it is just harmony without the knowledge of the self. God allows everything in the absolute infinitum, even to contradict itself. So how can I be so trusting in going on way or the other. God itself can do what it likes even if you do everything right, become enlightened, etc. Why is this not a concern to people?

If pleasure wont satisfy me, and I'll just be a slave. That is one ego. Meanwhile, another ego is also immortal, but he is being tortured for infinity in linear time. It's better to be some egos over others right? But it seems with this whole spirituality thing, everyone is saying the ultimate thing is to merge with the singularity itself and get rid of separation. But the ego does not want this? Why could the ego possibly not want this. Is it because the ego thinks if it surrenders , that it will feel pain. (And remember, as an ego, I only know THIS experience, and that there is pleasure and pain, and I certainly DO NOT want pain, and I am scared of death because death appears uncertain, and ego says that anything can lurk in uncertainty , good things, or HORRIFYING things. (All relative to the ego) Therefore, that is why the ego DOES NOT want the truth? If the truth was appealing to ego, to what it find's appealing, it would want the truth. This is all to much. It's fucking twisted. At least in this realm. I do not know what lies elsewhere. There's just so many possibility. If god is absolute truth, what is at the other end of the spectrum? Is the seek of further illusion more painful than truth? Is the truth simply brutal and the best thing I can do is accept the brutality, as to do anything else is to inflict more pain through lies, when I have pain to face as it is in truth?

If God is me and is this singularity which is the absolute Infinitum which is absolutely everything, than "I" as an ego, but still god, can create a reality of my own creation creation because god simultaneously allows and disallows everything. Why surrender? If God is me, and is the singularity. Is God friend or foe? What if your surrender to god (meaning you give up your ego right?), such that, you are no longer the ego, "you" cease to exist, and the "you" is replaced with "It". A burning question for me is, what does it feel like to give up all identity (the ego) and be "It" the singularity which is the absolute infinitum that allows and disallows everything all simultaneously for eternity. Is there pain? Yes, I know the ego is vulnerable to pain and pleasure, but what happens when your remove the illusory separation (your ego) that was not there in the first place. What does THAT feel like? If the only permanent thing is consciousness "the void" itself, and your saying when I surrender to god I am becoming "THAT" , the singularity. If I can only feel pain as an ego (pain as in = not being at peace, wanting to change, "THAT" feeling of pain (such as when you have intense nausea, whatever that is) ), and as an ego, I surrender, and become the singularity. Is that permanent? What the point in surrendering, when one billion years later, ego pops out of nowhere again, and now your an identity again, that forgot he was the singularity, so he can feel pleasure and pain, and the shit cycle continues.... Now. Pleasure in itself is good, I can be at peace with pleasure of all kind. But pain...., I mean, minor pain is bearable, but major pain? Whatever that fucking "Thing" is that is the major pain, that "Thing" is.... unbearable. It must be escaped at all costs, but is there a permanent escape? Is surrendering a permanent escape from that "Thing" we all despise so much. A permanent escape from that "Thing", is to become an Immortal god ego, that can live forever is linear time, and therefore avoid pain forever in linear time, and feel pleasure forever in linear time. By gods's rules, who allows for everything, this is possible....but also impossible.... this where it get's Tricky , with god the only guarantee is that is no guarantee's............ Is surrendering the only escape, is it even permanent? If am as an ego, a mere puppet. Yet, as an immortal god ego, I am this puppet that is free from pain forever. That does not sound that bad...until it all ends? What makes god good? God seems to be devoid of good and evil just appears to be "IT" , letting itself just be. From the perspective of the ego, the ego would say that god is good , if he only allows for pleasure, with minimal or no pain.

Really? I think it comes down to preference. I find having to exert willpower to play these some times. They are broad genres. I will agree, some people are highly addicted to these games. I mean, fuck, some people are addicted to candy crush, I'd struggle to play that shit for 10 minutes. It highly depends on the game. The more mainstream it is the more addictive I find it tends to be I observe. Then again, I see people who have addictions to niches. Which games are the least addicting for you?

I think Leo may dislike video-games because of their often addictive nature. For example, Leo said regarding Psychedelics that, he would not take them if they were addictive. I love the pleasure of playing a good video-game, especially multiplayer with friends. Depending on the game, I find that it can become an addicting habit. More so with low-effort, mindless, never-ending games. MOBA's, MMO's, Multiplayer Survival , Battle Royale games, Multiplayer Twitch-Based shooters (like call of duty) can be especially addictive. Also sports games like Madden or FIFA. I think I wasted to many hour's playing video-games. Yes, I have fond memories of playing them, but I also remember playing them rather mindlessly. The problem with video-games, I think is that, one can very easily fall into this mindless state, and in this mindless state, it is harder to derive pleasure from the video-game, so the user feels the need more and more and more to get that some reward, that same dopamine hit. Kind of like a bad sugar addiction, where you need more sugar to get the same amount of pleasure as you got the last time. But.... If, mindfully while playing, your are APPRECIATING in the game, noticing all the small details, admiring all the textures, mindfully reading the text and sending love to it, than your experience will be much better, and much less prone to addiction. You can test this out for yourself. After you finish meditating, preferably outside, come back inside, and load up a video-game. Notice how much more you can appreciate it, try keep the meditative state. But I assume few people do this, as you have to actively do it. (At least in my findings.) The best video-games in my opinion are games that require patience. Strategy games, or CRPG's or JRPG's. For example. I'm currently trying to figure out how to play this game It's a grand strategy game. It has lot's of depth. Bejapuskas, you should get it, and we can play one match over the course of a year It has multiplayer, in the multiplayer, players have to email in there turns. A turn in the games completes only every 24 hrs. So you play your turn, your email it in, and then you have to wait until the next day to play your turn again. So you spend 10-20 minutes doing your turn, you submit your turn, then you have to wait until the next day. With the single-player you can play as much as you want, I find it it kind of anti-addictive because when you own large territories on the map there is a lot you have to manage and think about it, which can be taxing on the mind, such that you WANT to take a break because you notice yourself start to make bad strategic choices because you've been playing for to long. Video-games can be sort of like sending yourself deeper into the matrix. One might argue that this "real" world is so exceedingly mysterious, that one must spend all of ones time trying to figure out what the actual fuck is going on, and therefore, playing video games is a distraction. Perhaps. That is all concepts and imagination.

If everyone has there own model. How can there ba right or wrong model. Provide me a link to your model? I simplified into a nutshell there for explaination purposes.

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I do not know much about history, but, to get an Idea of what I am trying to get at.... @Leo Gura What if during the height of Stalin's power, Stalin's consciousness gets replaced with Leo Guras consciousness as it currently is. Such that it is Leo Guras, just in Stalin body. In addition Stalin's well developed stage red gets integrated into Leo, but instead of that red being an unhealthy manifestation, it is a healthy manifestation. (Such that Leo isn't using stage red to inflict suffering on people and do all the evil shit Stalin did) What would that look? How come we don't have any people like that? Why does Leo not run for office or Joseph Maynor run for office and seize power? I'd vote for you.

But how many people have truly integrated red? Perhaps I am wrong, but I sense almost all people in Tier 2 have mediocre or poorly developed stage red. If they had highly developed stage red, we would see more Tier 2's in power, but since they lack red and perhaps have excess of green, they are not in power. If Putin and Trump have a well developed (but unhealthy manifestation) stage red, and they have seized the power. Then what we need is someone In Tier 2 with a healthy and well developed stage yellow or turquoise , BUT, also has a healthy and well developed red, to seize power. Without the red, they cannot do this no? Show me one person who is in Tier 2 and has healthy red. (Again, I say all this with a pinch of salt, I don't really even believe what I am saying, it is just intellectual discussion)

Could you provide a link to your models? So, if everyone is just inventing there own model, then what is even the rules for it in the first place? How is that practical? If Spiral Dynamics is loose framework that came from the books, which you said that you threw in the trash pretty quickly, then, what IS that loose framework? Spiral Dynamics is just a shorthand way of saying "A Model for Human Behaviour" right? This will cause great confusion. I'm assuming with everyone, the loose framework in a nutshell looks like. (And yes, the words after each one is up for interpretation, that's the point) Beige - Solo Purple - Teamwork Red - Power Blue - Order Orange - Business Green - Compassion Yellow - Systemic Turqouise - Holism

Watch TJ reeves video I sent you, he will explain Beige, Purple, Red, make sure you are doing well and those and you should be fine.

Watch this video MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE that you are mastering the stages of the spiral. Beige, Purple, and Red. DO NOT make the mistake of getting lost in books. I remember when I was your age vividly. I am 16 now. A VITALLY IMPORTANT thing to grasp is that the rabbit hole goes so fucking deep. (As in, things have a lot me to do them then how they appear). Your 14, your sex drive will begin, already has begun to kick. So I highly suggest if you do not want to waste time in emotional hang-ups over girls, DEVELOP A HEALTHY BEIGE, ESPECIALLY PURPLE, AND RED.

I would to hear more of you thoughts on this. You need to watch TJ Reeves video (the one I linked) In brief Thomas Reeves says If you want to be the best, you have to revisit each stage and make sure you are proficient in each stage, otherwise, if stuff in your foundation is fucked up, than everything else will be fucked up. The basic idea is, if your not doing good at embodying the best bits (the healthy manifestations) of the early stages, you will end up being fucked up one way or the other. In the video he attributes Beige = Healthy Nutrition, Exercise (At least 30 minutes worth of walking), Meditation, Proper Breathing. Purple = Having a healthy and fun social life, having at least 5 good friends, scheduling of time, rituals Red = Getting shit done, being assertive, having purpose, acting on the purpose, being the hero Blue = Having principles and discipline on those principles. Watch the videos. He starts describing that stages at roughly 40 minutes in. Each avenger represent a stage in the spiral.

Nothing. I am furthering contributing to the destruction of our planet.

Rare Footage of the ACTUAL definition of full of shit, in its natural habitat

-David Goggins David Goggins alone is all the inspiration you need. -Leo Gura -TJ Reeves

Really? I can talk an awful good talk, but I lack implementation. There are aspects of stage beige, purple, and red I need to re-visit. @bejapuskas Please, do not take what I say as judgement or assumptions. If I made an assumption it was out of necessity in order to tailor some advice to what your situation actually is. I don't know you. I'll never know you. Only you, will know you. I would assume at 15 years of age, you are not stage yellow. Heck, I used to think I was stage yellow. I cannot be so sure. I think it is trap to assume I actually know something when I actually don't. I know little about spiral dynamics in the first place. My knowledge of it is based off Leo' videos, a video from TJ Reeves called "If I die watch this" and bit and pieces from 2 or 3 website I skimmed through. It would seem you have a healthy purple. You claim life "just feels great". That you've had a girlfriend out of your league, and that you have your cured your social anxiety. At age 15. And you started doing the work at 12? I discovered Leo at 13 and I'm not even in the trenches of this work. I waste a lot of time. I'll private message you. I think you can help me out. I am curious, I envy you

Watch this entire video. In it, he describes the stages and what you must do to fully integrate each stage. (Although, not in comprehensive detail) Part of full integrating stage purple from my interpretation from the video is about having good relationships, enjoying having fun with others and around others.