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Very nice saying. There's no point in starting a disagreement or debate. It's best to find ways to show by example.

How is your journey so far? Were you able to find that kind of love from the nothingness delivered to you from you by you via singularity? Were you able to apply it in this life in some way? Yes, if you are totally satisfied, that is fine. That's what it is. We all have different paths. It's not anyone's job to coerce someone else to walk their spiritual path. If something doesn't make sense to you, forget it. Maybe it's not your time to understand whatever the other person said. It's not meant to be. Each info presented in the world is only meant to be a pointer. Shinzen Young said it beautifully. He's very articulate.

You know what, if her situation is that bad, she has to find a way to move out of it, even if it means it will break her heart. Being heartbroken is only temporary. I noticed that it's not so easy to change mindsets in order to solve a problem. Not just relationship problems but with any type of problems in our lives.

@emind You still have to care about what others think even if you live in a monestary because you still live with others and under monastic rules. You can't just meditate whenever you feel like it. They have a strict schedule. Even if you live with nature all by yourself, you're under nature's survival rules.

If you actually become the absolute, and it's over, and you're back into your ego (body/embodiment), and then, you're obsessed with it. Sure, it becomes a paradigm. (The absolute itself is not.) You'll be back to chopping wood and carrying water, whether you like it or not. However, are you able to apply that wisdom in your life in some way: that we are all one? If so, then it gets different.

@zoey101 I love painting. Do you paint? This is one way that I convert challenges into opportunities. I love visiting the local Michael's store--all those paint brushes and canvas boards and materials in between that could go along with your masterpiece. Yes, it could be part of a life purpose as well as the enjoyment of visiting the store for window shopping and actually buying. How would this look if it's painted on canvas instead of it being a photograph?

Some people can.

@NoSelfSelf You're welcome.

@NoSelfSelf Awesome. This is how I started. I'm just giving my example. Yes, my career matches my LP now, but now I have some more time to work on my LP. Yes, it's quite a journey. It gets more profound and more planning as you go along throughout your life.

Are you saying these for real? Cause no one can narrow it down for you. Only you can. It took me trial and error in real life to figure out what I wanted to do. If I could not do that, then it's back to the drawing board. If you're not saying these for real, I thought from your list, you might say something like, "Since I like sports, I could use this to make a living in fitness. Then I could use sports as a LP and use these other qualities of mine to express myself. And later on, express deeper stuff. " However, this is just an example. I can't tell you. You got to go out there and try it to see what works.

That's great. You could use these to do something, but you got to figure out how you're going use these to make a living. Then, once you do, make a channel/website/blog/etc, to earn passive income. It takes time--trial and error and learning from mistakes. It's a process.

@NoSelfSelf What are your top skills? What's your favourite skill? Are you able to use it to contribute in a positive way? In a deep way?

I like this video the most: Especially, starting around 34:40--very inspiring. But, what I do notice is, we, as individual human beings, cannot tell others the answers to their life. They have to discover it for themselves, including the most profound things. For some, the journey ends when they think they found the answer from someone they respect. Nope, it never happens that way. That answer or advice could end up backfiring on them. There are always other options and other things to explore. Only you know how to narrow it down for yourself. Everyone has to go through their own Hero's Journey to discover their life purpose and their spiritual paths themselves. We can only drop hints for others, not try to tell them the answers. They need to do what's best for them, not how we feel is best for them.

What helps in finding a LP is researching about your interests, travelling and living in a different country very different than your own, researching about what is entrepreneurship and passive income, and putting it all together, etc. Life is here and it's meant to be lived. That's why they call it "The Hero's Journey."

Of course, divorce can happen after 20+ yrs with children in a monogamous relationship. I have no doubts about this being a possibility. But look, it doesn't have to hurt emotionally at all. Why should it? My point to all of this is, whatever relationship you're in, are you going to find the time to do the real work in your life? Which is life purpose + your spiritual path. If you keep going for new relationships, I bet you won't. You'll keep chasing relationships and adjusting. By the end of the life, you may be thinking, what have I given to the world? Because the actual truth is, all is one. @Serotoninluv @Elisabeth Thank you both for all the info. For a long, long, long time, ppl in the relationship area have been talking about polyamory, and I didn't know what it is. I just thought it's polygamy, even when I looked it up. But then, I had second thoughts. I'm like, "wait a minute...this is not polygamy."

You know, does it last a lifetime? "Till death do we part." I'm not trying to sound "traditional."

@Serotoninluv do any of the forms become permanent?

@Serotoninluv I just tried to answer my own question.

@Serotoninluv ok...I got it. (I think.) Here's one way to transend relationship in a polyamory. You have 2 married couples: husband (1) & wife (1) husband (2) & wife (2) h(1) + w(2) = permanent bf/gf h(2) + w(1) = permanent bf/gf Ok, done. Closed relationship forever.

Yes, exactly. I don't know how else to put it into words.

No I'm not categorizing; it's just my way of explaining. How else am I going to explain it and ask questions? I don't point fingers. I don't have issues with any type of relationships, not even marriage within family, which is considered to be the biggest taboo in the US.

@Elisabeth Thanks for the info. It's informative. My biggest question is, how does a person transend the relationship phase in polyamory? So far, from my life experiences, it goes something like this for anyone, in any type of relationships, whether or not it's monogamy or any poly: Strangers / acquaintances, friends / good friends, best friends / BFFs Only the best friends and BFFs are permenant. I already put a link to the definition of what's a BFF in this thread. And, it's extremely rare to meet 3 BFFs in a lifetime. They usually come when you're older and matured. That's what I heard. These ppl could either be inside or outside your family. What happens is, when the relationship becomes stable and adjusted, that's when permanence happens. See, if I'm in a polyamorous relationship, I wonder how long will I keep having impermanent relationships. Sure, I could keep tasting all the different flavors of the rainbow and have bfs after bfs while I'm married. But, there's a time in the life when a person has to move on. Continously having impermanent relationships is time consuming. Imagine spending time with a bf and breaking up and not feeling hurt at all and getting a new one and somewhat adjusting to that. And, this continues throughout life. I'm just painting a picture. I guess there's a point where I just decide to settle for one or none. It would be my choice.

@Serotoninluv hey, I've been reading up on polyamorous relationships. And, you know, I learned something new. Now, I see the difference between polyamorous and polygamist/polyandry. Thanks for all the info. Tbh, I have nothing against any relationships. That's the bottom line. However, let's say I'm married. (Well, I am married.) And, I also have a bf. And, my husband knows about him but doesn't care. Ok then. Fine. However, imo, I'm not sure what is the purpose of having a bf along with being married. I mean, tbh, he may leave one day. Bfs, to my understanding, are not husbands. They are not permanent. Why spend so much time working out a relationship with him when I'm already married?

Ok cool. Look, I just said that example to make it clear for all. No offense. Thanks for making it clear. I really do think that entrepreneurship, networking, and learning to socialize in that area are the next steps. Than taking a leap to being focused on 'all is one.' If someone is too focused and obsessed with something, even 'all is one,' it just doesn't work. The awareness isn't there anymore. It's lost. The lessons of life isn't learned anymore. It has stopped. A person has to keep taking the appropriate steps for awareness and not be stuck. I'm just trying to define the action steps to not be stuck, and what to do to snap out of it. You know...wake up call.

Yes. All right. Here's something even more basic. A person has a 9-5 job. He's stressed. Doesn't like his job. Learns some skills. Gets a career he likes. Still doesn't like it because of the long hrs. Ok then! Time to progress. What next? Went to the bookstore. Bought excellent books on entrepreneurship. Learns about passive income and how it works. Learns about networking. He needs a good website to attract attention, but don't have the skills to build one. Went networking and ppl talk about this awesome lady who is a talented graphic artist. (This process could get him financially free one day!) Cool! He thought. Then, he met this graphic artist lady that everyone talks about. And was kind of shocked??? Oh man...He couldn't believe it! She's a different "race," and he thought she's "ugly." Her face was disfigured! He kind of points it out to her during their business lunch together. She felt uncomfortable and left. Let's look at this basic situation a little closer. Shall we? Why even bother about her appearance? Why point it out? Now he learns that he lacks basic social skills. Is this what you're looking for, Emerald? Luckily, the man apologizes to the graphic artist and learned his lesson. He never judged like that again. So, they continued working together. For this to happen, for a person to learn all these lessons for real, a person has to take action. Again, you cannot be sluggish. Yes, entrepreneurship and networking are the next basic steps. Job = just over broke