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Then, what exactly is it if you think I haven't experienced it? You're not me Leo. You don't know what I've experienced fully. I will eventually talk about the whole thing in my life purpose, to the best of my knowledge. I know that the 10 Ox Herding Pics is pointing to something. Otherwise, it wouldn't be there. It's not there for no reason. I agree with Peter Ralston when you interviewed him. He said that there is nothing beyond the absolute, but you could have as many distinctions in the relative. And, I like how Shinzen Young talked about Riding the Ox Backwards. This is part of the absolute. I'm going to be honest with you, Leo. I'm not sugarcoating this. It seems like you keep wanting to experience the distinctions, the everythingness. The nothingness is "you," the No-self. This is the absolute. You can't get beyond you without any ego. You never had an ego to begin with. "You," the No-self, fell back into your ego (Riding the Ox Backwards). Another thing Leo, when I do my LP, I don't want to misguide ppl on this topic. That's why when I post here, I find myself writing, if you experience Satori, say it in your LP in a cunning way so that those who are ready to hear it will hear it. Ppl who have been working with gurus told me that you cannot force it on others. It's like a chick trying to come out of its egg. Sometimes when you try to help it out by removing its egg shell, you end up killing it instead.

@Leo Gura you could bliss all you want, Leo, like you're doing here: That's you're choice. But..yours is taking place in the comfort of your own home. And, that's it??? Nothing else. There's nothing more? Hmm..ok... how many times do you want to do this? 13+ times? Oh well, it's your choice. However, there's more to this. The 10 Ox Herding Pics isn't just pointing at Riding the Ox Backwards.

You're supposed to live this life well and apply Riding the Ox Backwards. What the heck is this life for? Definitely, not just to remain in bliss. That's one-sided.

Another way of looking at it is, you have to wonder why the ppl who have a Satori already (without 5meo) are not taking it. Unless you know their full story and be open-minded about it, you won't understand why their answer is no. They may not be willing to talk about it because most ppl are not willing listen and debate with them about it. No one wants to be judged for telling the truth. If you want to know the right answer, you can't just listen to one side.

I would really take a deep, long term look at this. And, what does it really mean? Yes, for you especially Leo. You used to say there are no shortcuts to anything. You're right. Anything worthwhile is never a shortcut. Love is especially not a shortcut. Life becomes pointless and meaningless when love becomes a shortcut.

What he said on the last line caught my attention.

She was married to dedicated, real men in her first two marriages: And, unfortunately, learned the hard way... That's why she's able explain what is a real man in a real relationship.

Ok. Good luck. Like I said in this thread, it's your choice. I understand your love for music. I have passions too, in art, so I could understand. However, do be careful. Anything based on strong labels is shallow and will eventually leave you disappointed. It puts you into a box. Even when you're trying to make money in entrepreneurship, even when it's a typical stage orange business (startup), they say to, "think outside of the box." You won't understand business (startup) at first when it's explained to you. Language is labels. And now... you're talking about relationships, which is not as straight forward as a business. I hope you and your gf don't meet the wrong ppl and have them impact your lives in negative ways.

"A finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. The finger is needed to know where to look for the moon, but if you mistake the finger for the moon itself, you will never know the real moon."

@zeroISinfinity yes, unspeakable, but it's ok to speak it, at least try. I keep saying here in this forum from time to time to do it in the life purpose in a cunning way, so that those who are ready to hear it will hear it. I do encourage being a pointer. The world, universe, and "you" are one. "You" fell into love as God (No-self/Nothingness) and from God. The latter is from the ego's perspective. That's why they call it to "fall in love." That is the purpose of life--the true mission is to love. It's the love that you give that counts. (For me, I didn't "blow up." I say this because Leo said he "blew up/exploded." There wasn't any ego to begin with. It was only transformations, for me, from the No-self. No-self = no body or external environment. No suffering. Just peace.)

The "speed" causes it to be "white." I could definitely say there is No-self.

I don't see any hump in enlightenment. Where is the hump coming from? Remember, anything ego is non-existent in enlightenment.

Yes. Transformation from the No-self to your ego, which is the body/mind/world. You will be No-self, then everythingness, then this singularity (aka, blackhole) that goes back to your ego.

@billiesimon no one here will know your exact situation. Only you know that. It's between you and her. Think many times before you make a decision to do something. Whatever happens, be willing to accept the consequences and most importantly, keep working on yourself. Life continues even after you get into a relationship. She talks about marriage, but it's true for any relationship.

@Knock just wanted to add... If you and your gf don't like that kind of party environment, don't go. Find another place of your interest--a better environment. Why go to such a place where you both can't even be yourselves?

Yes, correct. I like how you use the word "mask" and "hides one's true character." I'm sitting in my dinning room. I'm looking at the trail mix in front of me in a ziplock bag on the table. On it is a label of "Cranberry Health Mix." It's a mixture of different nuts and cranberries. Ok, that's fine. There's nothing unusual about that. Now, my question is, why does PUA do the same thing for ppl? They describe what is an "alpha male" and expect males to behave that way. Otherwise, he's a "chode" or a "white knight." Human beings are not food or products. We don't work that way. We're naturally unique, complicated, and with different personalities. Why should we be labeled like that and expect to behave just like that? We're not factory made food or products. This is very delusional. It's just as bad as racism. The hate in racism is of different degrees and delusion. Someone comes up to you and asks you, "Are you ______?" (Fill in the blank with a race. The blank doesn't have to be race; it could be something else: eg. hv gf, married, gay, etc.) If they don't like your answer, they make a rude/hateful comment, as if they know you, or they have a weird reaction because that's not the answer they expect. This is true for both males and females. Lots of labels and blaming the other person. Also, the other person, who is a complete stranger, doesn't have to answer your questions.

I don't really follow him. So, I'm not sure which is the video you're talking about. His videos are short and to the point. But, it has profound meanings. If a person doesn't have life experiences or worked on himself or herself enough, he/she might just pass it off as fluff or "in fantasy land." Yes, he has a meditation background. He was a Buddhist monk.

@Knock You're welcome.?

You're welcome.

@Knock

I was never talking about myself.

@SFRL showing is better than telling. There is a saying, "Talk is cheap." Ppl have shared information in this forum that is valuable. Priceless info. It's just that when a person is not well-rounded enough, he/she will miss that information and dismiss it as useless. Very few ppl will look for the needle in the haystack.

I don't see you sharing anything else other than how to have casual sex for males. You're always here in this section of the forum the majority of the times talking about that. You're not well-rounded. And, when you go travelling, it doesn't mean that you just stay in your hotel room the whole time, isolated and not attempt to understand anything.

I'm not going to talk rubbish like this. You need to go out and travel the world, and not stay sheltered in your own backyard. You're almost 40. At least another forum member is doing this, travelling and attempting to understand another part of the world different from his own backyard (country). He has a long way to go, but I applaud his efforts.

@Knock I have to add that what I just said has nothing to do with grouping ppl or things into any categories. If you want the truth to anything, don't categorize in a black and white way, or in distinct categories. Otherwise, it creates bias. Think many times before you judge.