LambdaDelta

February 13

46 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It’d be like saying; consciousness created consciousness.

Ironic how this is framed as reductio ad absurdum, when in fact it's a tautology on par with "existence exists" and exactly how reality 'came to be'.
God created itself, causality, limitation, and separation.

February 13

6 hours ago, Oeaohoo said:

What does it mean for God to be alive? In ordinary language, life is something which belongs to biological organisms.

As in creating itself. DNA replication inside you is God creating itself, you forming thoughts/ideas while reading this or doing whatever else is God creating itself. Same for nuclear fusion powering stars and whatnot, but it goes far beyond the material; God also creates time, mathematical truths and their discovery. Any process and state is created by God through imagination. It creates every distinction too, such as organic vs. inorganic, life vs. death. Someone biologically alive and in otherwise perfect health can feel soul-dead (depressed) as they're God unconsciously creating a perception of reality as negative or meaningless. The more this is understood and integrated into baseline consciousness, the more alive one feels.

February 13

Even ignoring bypass of first-pass metabolism and faster absorption via sublingual, LSD in particular is very weak to chlorine (though these 1-acyl substitutes are slightly more resistant), which is far more present in the stomach (from tap water or whatever else) than in the mouth. When dealing with blotters I tend to keep them under different sides of the tongue, occasionally chewing for a bit before finally swallowing after 20-25 minutes.

The entire 1x-LSD series was created and manufactured by Lizard Labs, since they closed down it's not produced anymore. So the only difference switching a vendor could make is if one stores theirs really poorly, otherwise it comes from the same lab and likely even batch.
Despite being direct prodrugs of LSD, none of them hold a candle to original, quality LSD-25. 450μg of 1P-LSD is a joke next to 150μg of LSD-25. @Davino can confirm. Figure 7 comparing subjective effects in the study linked by @PsychedelicEagle shows this quite clearly. It's a shame that the vast majority sold is impure and inaccurately dosed, oftentimes by a factor of 2 or more, and as such very few dosages given in trip reports are to be trusted.

Lastly, LSD tolerance & cross-tolerance is some of the most insidious out there, requiring at minimum 2 weeks to fully reset.

February 13

I experience permanent DMT tolerance, so consider yourself lucky

February 13

Both have beautiful nature, can't go wrong either way.
I've only been to Croatia in passing, so my experience is limited, but I've lived in Spain for over 10 years. For the kind of social activities you're looking for, as well as lodging, Spain is probably more suitable, particularly in large cities such as Barcelona/Madrid (which your trail skips; too bad, would've been nice to hang out)/Malaga. While no specific events come to mind, there's always something going on. June weather might make you sweat though. It may also come as a surprise that more people in CR speak English, though that's mostly an issue in truly rural areas, and even then Spanish is quite a simple language to get the basics of in comparison.
In general Spain is very accommodating for tourists in many aspects. Meeting other foreigners from all over the world is much more frequent here for sure. I've never interacted with women in a pickup context as that doesn't interest me, but simply on a personal level they're casual and easygoing, making for pleasant conversation. From what I hear and see, pretty sexually open too.

February 13

28 minutes ago, Zen LaCroix said:

As intelligent as you are which we can see clearly in your videos. The book will have more reach if it's written in a way that is understandable. In plain english. The easier it is to understand for normal IQ people then the more the message and the book will spread

Pursuing accessibility can become its own trap. 'Tis a delicate balance to strike between depth and simplicity. No matter how plain and explicit some of the points are made, they can still be misused in various ways by unconscious people. In this sense, a certain degree of complexity serves as a filter of sorts. There has to be a mutually trusting relationship between the author and the reader; part of it is the author trusting the readers' intelligence and not doing them a disservice by dumbing down the content.
Since it's supposed to be a timeless book (Leo's words), it matters little how few people will truly get its full significance in the present day, in a hundred years there'll be plenty more that do.

February 12

19 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

@LambdaDelta I think you're on to something . I can't make sense of love with my mind because I think how can God accept evil and suffering.

Even if God wanted to get rid of them, there'd be nowhere to throw them away to since God is Everything. So the only thing to do is accept. Not accepting them would diminish its infinity and therefore integrity, which must be maintained for the good of all creation. Maybe if God did throw them away they'd eventually mutate into some sort of monstrosity that would absorb and corrupt God, creating an actual Hell, which would be possible in this scenario as God made itself finite and thus susceptible to corruption. But God is too intelligent for that, so it prevented corruption at the root by already including all the possible corruption within itself along with an infinity of other 'good' stuff. This allows it to endlessly subdivide its Mind into an infinite diversity of biased minds that can judge things as evil, experience pleasure and suffering, feel guilt and joy, and so on. These are privileges God had to surrender, in this regard you're more powerful than God itself, so enjoy them while it lasts.

February 12

28 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

That makes sense, otherwise a finite form would try to monopolize Truth. Actually, it tries to, but ultimately fails.

Right, it's a nice mindfuck. Nothing is finite, but some infinities are more infinite than others, yet we still get Equality in the end. 'Cause there is no others, now we're back at rudimentary nonduality

February 12

32 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

Despite having awakenings to love I can't explain it. Consciousness fits in my theory , intelligence and imagination fit in my theory, love doesn't, it doesn't respect my mind at all, it consumes it.

Perhaps it's actually you that doesn't respect love. Love respects you enough to not force itself upon you and lets you form whatever ideas you want about it; that itself is love. If it consumes your mind, that could be because you desperately want to understand it but just can't, I know the feeling.
Love is really nothing other than complete acceptance. God is Love because it fully accepts itself as God, which is Truth, that's all there is to it. Other qualities are the same. To create itself out of nothing, God must possess infinite consciousness, intelligence, and imagination. Unconscious and unimaginative beings are consciously imagined in God's Mind. And so it is for lack of love. It's all quite simple and logical, though twisted at the same time. Regardless, Love is compulsory, but understanding of it for a finite form is not.

February 12

15 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Do you still think that beings that accomplished such a feat as interplanetary travel and galaxy travel would still be playing this imperialistic and power hungry games? Wouldn't this self-deception vanish in light of such development?

But of course. Intelligence can take on any form. Even the form of a rock. Just look at Oppenheimer & crew blindly building the atomic bomb, only realizing the consequences when it was too late; or the tech billionaires of today. It would be a trivial feat for a naturally more logically gifted and less emotionally sensitive species.

15 hours ago, Eskilon said:

I find it hard to believe that somebody can be that advanced and still be that self-deceived and selfish. But hey, if someone can construct that condition it is God lol. God probably fantasized about that at some point so it might exist

Don't forget that successfully manipulating reality at scale and long-term requires enormous intelligence. Self-deception is Devil's infinite intelligence. It'll still lose out to Truth/Death/Nothing in the end, but it can persist almost indefinitely. Relatively speaking of course, as God and Devil are indistinct.
It's not a question of 'might' exist, it absolutely does exist (within Infinity). Only a matter of whether we'll ever encounter such a thing ourselves.

February 11

23 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

If aliens exist could this be the reason why they don`t show up in mass? I think that event too would break the consistency of the dream... too many paradigms shattered and created in an instant lmao

A reason, absolutely; but not the reason. There's likely many advanced alien species that maintain non-intervention. Some in pity, as though looking over a child in the process of FAFO; others in derision, tuning into Earth like a trash-tier reality TV show. But there are far more considerations in maintaining the universal balance than collective human sanity or our whole existence. An intelligent civilization could easily deem that such a mass hysteria event is good to shake us up, or that cleansing the planet with a heliobeam (like the one Nazis wanted to build) is in order, or due to their own twisted evolutionary trajectory they somehow became interplanetary while remaining imperialistic and selfish, and they'll be balanced out in due time, but not before enslaving and exterminating us.

Awakening doesn't really grant much additional predictive power when it comes to specific events, instead it cements the certainty of not-knowing. Not the boring, static kind, but one stemming from an overabundance of seeing infinite perspectives. Think Yhwach's 'The Almighty' in read-only mode.

February 11

On 2/9/2026 at 7:11 AM, Joshe said:

I'm confused by the word "infinite". The most charitable read I can come up with is people mean there is a state of being that you realize is itself infinitely perfect/intelligent and that thing is you, but you don't actually have access to functional infinite intelligence. Is that it?

Sounds about right, albeit with a caveat. Loosely speaking, if one were to reach the very apex/bedrock of consciousness, they'd realize that there's nothing you should, would, or even could change about reality, as it is already perfect. Hence everything remains largely the same regardless of how deeply anyone awakens. However, the proper way this realization takes place is through logically parsing the entire structure of reality and evaluating every possibility, which requires infinite intelligence (or imagination, they're the same thing). Otherwise you sort of take perfection and other qualities on faith, which subtly implies treating God as something other than and/or above yourself. Being able to effortlessly do whatever you want strips you of all desire to do anything (a form of ego death, in a way). Seems like a cop-out, but that's how it goes.

On 2/9/2026 at 7:11 AM, Joshe said:

Or is the claim literally that one's own intelligence is functionally infinite in that moment? I mean, this question sounds so absurd I feel stupid for asking it, lol. Surely that's not it, right?

Such claims are usually mistaken, or more precisely, come from misinterpreting the experience. If someone could just take some LSD and easily solve the Collatz conjecture, that'd break the consistency of the dream too radically, and we can't have that. Or maybe they could find the solution, or get to know for sure that no solution exists, but then be unable to prove it due to various constraints that take precedence over their egoic needs and mankind itself. If there really were a select few humans across history that could perform actual miracles, like Jesus, it's because God sprinkled them in as hints/examples, and they already were selfless enough to be trusted with such a power; even then, it's still a highly localized phenomenon that doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things. What is functionally possible is using LSD or some other method to access infinite intelligence, harvest insights, and enact practical change in the world, within the bounds of the ultimate structure. PCR was invented that way.

February 9

45 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I think no matter how many times you ask it of those who say it, they'll just say they can't tell you what it means and you just have to experience it for yourself.

That holds for all experience across the board, the only difference is some experiences are more accessible than others. What does it mean to win the lottery? In the unlikely event I manage to replicate the victory itself, emotionally and practically it could still mean something entirely different to me than it did to you.
Maybe people say this because they're arrogant and confused, but cannot admit it to others, much less themselves, so they play a rhetorical trick. But maybe it actually is impossible to communicate, and/or they genuinely want you to experience it for yourself, not adopt their beliefs or deny them to validate your own. We're right back at interpretation.

February 9

35 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Although consciouness(if it is existence) is the only thing that seems to survive all conditions. Even the condition where theres no intelligence.

Any and all conditions are rendered by consciousness using intelligence, so it's only natural that it should survive them. Humongous degree of intelligence goes into creating the appearance of lack of intelligence. Being totally wrong on every single issue all the time especially requires infinite intelligence, just in the opposite direction. Absolute self-deception, as it were. Complete absence of intelligence is achieved through being totally wrong about presence of intelligence.

54 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

I still need to realize most of the stuff talked here, some I understand intelectually but not at the undeniable level, which I think is at the level of being.

Being is intelligence. You already implicitly recognize this. If consciousness is existence/being, and can't be separated from intelligence, what does this say about intelligence? Even the most delusional beliefs are undeniable, precisely because they exist.
"- It would be an accursed monster — a being that should have never been born in the first place.
- But if he is already in this world, no one has the right to deny him his instincts."

The entire spiritual endeavor is a merger of epistemology with ontology so thorough that knowing and being become fully identical, which includes the realization that they always have been.

February 9

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

But in the "should be done" part, that requires knowing which requires intelligence. You can't have knowing without intelligence I dont think.

Not necessarily. Oftentimes people that are not particularly intelligent in a traditional sense are better at intuitively knowing that you "shouldn't", for instance, harm others, despite having no logical ground nor a capacity to clearly articulate why. They can simply act selflessly on autopilot. Of course it's equally as common if not more so for them to be selfish as shit.

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

Though you can have zero intelligence which I think would be deep sleep. So consciousness can exist without intelligence, because existence exists by definition.

Can be framed in the exact opposite way, deep sleep is basically being unconscious. Existence existing by definition is a logical tautology, but equating consciousness to existence is a leap in reasoning that may or may not be true. Understanding logic and its validity requires intelligence, however its limitations are grasped through consciousness.

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

To be conscious of that requires intelligence no?

Yes, although someone conscious of that may not be conscious that they're employing intelligence. Further, they can use intelligence to dismiss the role of intelligence/logic and construct a paradigm where consciousness is more fundamental; a commonplace fallacy within spirituality.

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

Consciousness can just be empty being there, but doing requires a type of knowing which needs intelligence.

What's the difference between being and doing? 'Just being empty' is the only way it has or ever will be, and it takes infinite intelligence (and love/selflessness) to structure reality that way, which is a doing of a sort.

You might say Consciousness governs Sameness, Unity, Love; it is implicit. Intelligence governs Difference, Multiplicity, Truth, and is explicit. But that's merely a quick sloppy metaphor. The identity of Consciousness with Intelligence is the same as the identity of Love with Truth. Infinite Love is Unity through Multiplicity; in other words, Equality/Solipsism, which is True, Logical, and Perfect. In the end, all this can be explicated ad infinitum, but requires direct experience to actually grasp, as words are in the business of definition, and reality is Undefined. Nonetheless, definition is fundamental.

February 9

Consciousness is conscious that there is no difference, Intelligence is so intelligent it creates the difference out of nothing.

February 7

It's time we had a dedicated topic on this matter. Sources are irrelevant (personal experience, videos, books, research papers, movie scenes... any resource will do). Scams, cons, heists, etc. also welcome, but the subtler the better. The best theft not only goes wholly unnoticed, but has you thinking you gain something in return (e.g. clickbait). In the end, it all boils down to corruption.

If a crocodile is the perfect animal to symbolize traps, for corruption it is the octopus. It can camouflage, release ink to literally muddy the waters, squeeze through any hole no matter how small; yet when its tentacles grab you, they won't let go. And there's 8 of them, so while you're busy fighting one or two or even 7, there's always another to nab you from behind. Plus it's slimy.
This is exactly how self-deception operates. And what is theft if not (self-)deception? Except Maya has infinitely many tentacles, is so well-camouflaged it's indistinguishable from your perception, and is completely intangible.

https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/110777-octopus-awakening

Here's a visual I generated for this thread, heavily 'inspired' by an image taken from the Europol website and fed into an AI trained on stolen data, with a slightly different color scheme, a background overlay of the world map, and a correct placement of different industries the octopus has its tentacles wrapped around. Drugs/pharma between USA & Mexico, financial schemes in the Caribbean tax havens, law in the western EU (The Hague, Euroclear, Geneva), oil in the GCC, and construction (or more broadly, manufacturing) in China/India/Bangladesh. It's rather interesting that they all align pretty closely in a straight line just above the Equator. As though the places above or below are of little importance, serving only as sources of extraction of value.

But enough foreplay. I'll get us started with a personal story, at the risk of tarnishing my reputation or catching a ban. This one takes place within the microcosm of digital piracy, yet contains layers upon layers of theft, lies, self-deception, gaslighting, and exploitation. Got plenty more just like it, crazier and broader in fact. Even though the examples we'll hopefully assemble here are useful, truly understanding the depth of this matter requires massive and intimate real-life exposure to it, and even then most of it you'll never know due to factors beyond your control.

Example 1:

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Disclaimer: most of the methods described have since been patched or otherwise lost relevance. This is not a guide or anything of the sort, I am providing such exhaustive detail only to articulate the point of the thread and epistemic work as a whole.

I mostly operated in the WEB-DL (VOD streaming rips) field, so the stories come from there.
It begins with piracy itself, stealing something and sharing a copy. [I know it's different from stealing physical goods, but this distinction can easily be turned into a rationalization]
But how was the something produced? Oftentimes through exploitation and theft. A large company like Amazon steals everything ranging from taxes owed, to their workers' health, to the customers' data (more on that next). That money is then used to produce an Amazon Original show such as The Boys. Writers, musicians, actors, and other staff of course all steal ideas from each other, calling it inspiration.
We'll stay on the Amazon example. I had a FireTV Stick 4K, and when I was reverse engineering their PrimeVideo API to emulate network requests required to perform my WEB-DLs, I'd monitor traffic and see in real time how every single button press of my remote was sent in a JSON object to one of their analytics endpoints.
I discovered that due to preloading, when you rent a movie on Prime, the MPD (manifest) is requested as soon as the page loads, before you even press play, likely to optimize UX. So I'd simply grab the MPD link and request a refund, as starting playback is what voids the refundability. That way off a single 10$ gift card I could get dozens of movies.
I'd publish my releases on private trackers, occasionally marking them as exclusives, but most would still end up leaked to public spaces. Not only that, they'd often be retagged and sometimes minorly remuxed to create the illusion of being a different release. All the WEB-DL groups would shamelessly steal scripts and keyboxes (cryptographic keys/certificates) from each other, simultaneously gatekeeping the most important secrets. For years almost everyone would use Widevine certificates believing PlayReady to be uncrackable, but that was merely a fabrication spread by the so-called 'WEB-DL mafia'. The reality is quite the opposite, you could trivially extract PR SL3000 certs from tons of eMMC dumps of smart TVs and such found all over the net, and they wouldn't get revoked for months on end, whereas Widevine L1 keyboxes got burned within hours of first provision and use. The largest platforms (PrimeVideo, Netflix, Disney Plus, etc.) maintain their own revocation lists as they're more than happy for pirates to steal from their competitors. This PR vs. WV myth was accepted by both the lower level WEB-DL guys and the streaming platforms alike.
There were/are companies like AnyStream and StreamFab that stole or bought the command line tools to remake them into idiot-proof mass consumer-oriented GUI programs. When one of our ChromeCDMs got revoked, together with a friend I invented a MiTM-like method to steal decryption keys for whatever video I wanted from the StreamFab API using spoofed premium subscription data (the backend didn't cross-validate, later they added more security that we also circumvented, until eventually implementing proper encryption, at which point I was no longer active in the scene). AnyStream sold lifetime licenses but shut down in less than 3 years, no refunds naturally — this a universal yet rarely discussed principle, any kind of lifetime access is for the seller's lifetime, not yours. There were also scammers who'd claim to have private L1/SL3000 certs and part fools that wanted to grow a reputation as genius 4K WEB-DLers from their money (hundreds of dollars per) with nothing but a fake scripted demo.
Following a series of events I got banned on many cabal trackers and Usenet indexers. I then used Shodan (with stolen .edu account credentials posted on BreachForums that increase the amount of search results you can get) to find unprotected instances of NZBGet and the *arr programs (Prowlarr, Sonarr), stealing people's logins, passwords, RSS feeds, passkeys, API keys, and so on en-masse, compiling a giant list called PT-heist, basically fully regaining access to the places I was banned from and then some; more robustly in fact, just like a hydra.
There's more, but that's about the gist of it. No honor among thieves.

So just this little anecdote from a fairly niche domain illustrates the degree of prevalence and entanglement of the issue. The same pattern is present not only all over this planet, but across the infinite dimensions of reality. Unless you're unflinchingly prudent, it will get you. Especially when your guard is down.
However, there exists a certain precipice where you see through all the deception with complete clarity and fall in love with it head over heels. But we'll leave that for the spirituality subforum.

Some Actualized.org videos directly pertinent to the matter at hand:
- How To Avoid Getting Scammed, Cheated, Exploited, Conned, and Screwed In Life
- How Corruption Works
- The Social Matrix - How Society Is A Mass Hallucination (fun fact: this one is somehow shadowbanned even on the direct channel page search; by keywords 'social' and 'matrix', 'hallucination' works)

I'd also throw over a dozen others onto the list, but as already stated that won't be anywhere near enough.

Now, let's get the ball rolling. Of particular interest is the theft you've personally committed or are committing. Sharing that publicly will do wonders for your shadow integration work. Who's up for that?
Though first consider that this could all be an elaborate honeypot disguised as philosophy designed to trick people into openly confessing to their crimes.

February 7

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Wiser words would be 'there are large groups of members of this community who .......'

You tend toward black and white thinking, I have seen. Assumptions and inferences do that.

February 7

3 hours ago, Joshe said:

Of course it's convenient to call it a meaningless distinction, because if you look at it closely, your 40+ realizations will be reduced to a hobby, no more significant than a grandma knitting a quilt.

That is exactly what they are. You conveniently skipped over this section of the reply from a previous page:
"Bottomless delusion is the point, that's the whole structure of reality. Truth is the mechanism of delusion (short ver.: Truth is delusion). Truth being too sacred to deconstruct is a projection, if it's true it will withstand all deconstruction. And it will, because there's nothing there to deconstruct. See if you can deconstruct that."

It's not a hierarchy of significance or superiority, if there is any hierarchy it's that of awareness. The grandma is also God experiencing itself, she just doesn't know it and that's okay. She is our ontological equal, therefore I take this comparison as flattering.

3 hours ago, Joshe said:

What I'm knocking is the ego game and hierarchy this community is blind to.

And I'm telling you this won't work. Many are blind to it, no doubt. But some may not be blind at all, they're simply too deep into their delusion and narcissism, by conscious choice. Truth is exactly what you want. Leo's statement "Truth doesn't care about what you want" only directly contradicts this to those who are dissociated from Truth. If you could persuade someone in possession of truth of the falsity of their view, that would automatically make it false. Think about that. Truth is entirely self-evident, this whole discussion is just a game of projection of Q.E.D.'s between two mirrors, exactly as per spec.
I'm sure I sound incoherent in places. Well, that's because I can effortlessly switch between speaking as a human and as God. Or maybe I actually am incoherent and psychotic. That's up for interpretation.

3 hours ago, Joshe said:

This entire community unconsciously assumes "absolute this or that" is discovered rather than generated.

To be discovered, something first needs to be generated, that is plainly obvious.

8 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Enjoyed the back and forth and always interested in your perspective.

Same here, cheers.

February 6

52 minutes ago, Joshe said:

These are just a few receipts from his recent blog posts. Does this sound like someone treating their spiritual project like a mere preference? If you think yes, you really do need to dive into bias 101.

Nobody treats their projects as a mere preference, whether it's Hitler, Leo, or a kid at a science fair. Bias is so profound it's a matter of life and death & beyond, some biases you couldn't drop even with a gun to your head.
But what do you care how he treats it? Take what's of value, filter the rest.
It's not like I can't or don't openly criticize Leo.
For example: https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-381 — pure smug, blindly self-indulgent post, while having a conversation on a science podcast pending to release any day. #382 is also repetitive waste, that time would be better spent on completing the Deconstructing Rationality series. As you said, we're all just humans with faults.
Or this whole reply I gave in another thread:
https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/112839-leo-cant-fix-you-because-you-are-neurodivergent/?do=findComment&comment=1731704

I see him clear enough, and I also see that the criticism and really any activity on this forum is distraction/entertainment. But I like it, so here I am. Maybe another day something will change and I won't be. Call it cope if you like. There is such a thing as Cope as an absolute, so you're not even wrong about that.

By the way, you're sneaking in subtle language such as 'mere' or 'benevolent'. I didn't say that.

February 6

11 hours ago, Joshe said:

Leo disagrees.

Not really. Only when his job requires it. Just like a math teacher insists on the importance of learning math, or your parents on getting a good career or whatever. If they instead said that it's all a meaningless hobby and being an uneducated homeless drug addict is no better or worse, you can see how most people would choose to behave. But he explicitly stated that's it all a bias on several occasions.

February 6

9 hours ago, Joshe said:

Have you ever analyzed what a realization is and how they come into existence?

If you analyze the chain of events and the relevant accumulations/iterations that involve a realization, you can (or at least I can) see the primary links of the chain that led to it. Even if you fail to see the chain, the chain is there. If you analyze those chains, you'll realize the realizations are never "discovered" - they're generated.

A few questions:

1. Has this idea ever crossed your mind?

2. How does one distinguish "I found what was always there" from "consciousness rendered what I aimed at"?

3. If it turned out that your 40+ realizations were generated rather than discovered, how would that impact you?

Yes, and I 'realized' that they don't come into existence at all, they already exist, as does everything else. Anything 'new' (insight, life, action...) is an imagined distinction. There's no need for me to deny the chains — some I see, others I don't. #2: You make it sound as though the second option is somehow inferior because it implicitly strips you of agency or is illusory. A meaningless distinction. I (Consciousness) was always there, imagined forgetting what I am, plus the entire chain of events leading to an eventual rediscovery of the source. The two options seamlessly blend into a strange loop. Naive solipsistic idealism that doesn't incorporate Will and other important factors would indeed fail at eluding your mechanism, but this very mechanism is an indispensable part of the engine of reality; it works regardless of whether you're aware of or accept it or not, and it works with perfect precision and beauty. Try escaping it if you like, to a certain degree that's healthy skepticism, but ideally that would culminate in realizing that escaping it is impossible nor is there a need to, as you are the mechanism that has designed itself and all escape attempts. Thus, #3 becomes a moot point, since the difference between 'discovered' and 'generated' was itself generated (imagined), which doesn't bother me in the slightest. At any given moment I know and don't know as much as I need to, neither more nor less. All that's ever happening is light bouncing around at different angles within the fractal mirror of Mind ('happening', 'light', 'bouncing', 'different', 'angles', etc. are of course imaginary both as terms/concepts and the 'actual' things those words are pointing at).

10 hours ago, Joshe said:

Maybe you guys should rewatch the video and see if you're applying your principles consistently.

Under the definition I previously gave and considering what's said above in this post, yes. You see, all of my wrongness, hypocrisy, and egotism are totally consistent with the trajectory Consciousness has set for me, and they'll be corrected (or not) when the time comes. Don't take this as avoidance of responsibility, I'm doing the best I can, as is everyone.

10 hours ago, Joshe said:

Lastly, this pattern of assuming I need to be educated on basic shit is annoying and arrogant. The video you pointed me to is so basic I couldn't make it past 15 mins. I figured that stuff out in my 20s through simple observation of reality.

Unlike you, I rewatched the video in full. Maybe what's actually arrogant is going through 8% of the runtime and assuming the rest will just be the same since the introduction is already familiar to you. Imagine dropping a university class or some online course you bought because the instructor dedicated the first few lectures to reviewing and solidifying the priors/fundamentals. Without even going through 1/10th of the material, you presume to know it all. No wonder there are blind spots even in this simple framework you presented in this thread, let alone understanding of reality as a whole. Doesn't matter how potent your observation ability is, it's not enough; you still need talking heads, books, other perspectives, and much more, which can then be filtered and synthesized. Perhaps if you bothered to watch the full 3 hours you'd find many of your objections addressed.

11 hours ago, Joshe said:

The difference is I didn’t merge my knowledge with my identity.

Consider that you should. But also consider the nuances of that as to not dig yourself into a deeper hole.

February 5

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

I'm not sure how that is "most loving or "perfect"

Simply because it's universally accommodating, without exclusions/exceptions. Essentially SD stage Green values of inclusivity and diversity raised to absolutes. Perhaps the notion of consistency under the following definition can be of help:
"agreement or harmony of parts or features to one another or a whole
specifically: ability to be asserted together without contradiction"
That's a fundamental property of Infinity, from there it's not too difficult to also make the logical connection to Beauty, Integrity, and so on, but past a certain point explicitly communicating such things doesn't work properly and even does harm. I could go on a whole spiel here using a parent-child analogy that incorporates love, bias, sovereignty, and this and that, but in the end you'd (not unwarrantably) call that a frame and frame it as a Q.E.D. for your original point.

2 hours ago, Joshe said:

For me it's magical and wondrous, but I'm careful what I import

That is fine, everyone has some aspect/facet of reality they struggle with. For me Love and 40+ others are crystal clear by now, but Miracle is still elusive; though it's obviously there, experientially I only see Certainty save for rare occasions.

2 hours ago, Joshe said:

And if you did discover it and experience it as such, how could you know you didn't just train your consciousness into it?

Can only speak for myself, but I didn't start this journey looking for love, not consciously anyway. The word wasn't even in my vocabulary really. When Leo presented the idea it didn't exactly resonate emotionally or logically, all I did was remain open to it. Long story short, after enough inquiry it became undeniable, if nothing else then simply from a consistency standpoint. I had a love for understanding, but didn't understand what love or understanding is; then it turned out that Truth and Love are identical. So it's not like I wanted love to be true, I wanted the truth, whatever it may be, and got love as a bonus. Pretty sure that's how it goes for a lot of autistic guys, love is not a matter of wishful thinking for us, and can even cause some repulsion initially. Notice that you frame the definition of spirituality in your OP from a traditionally feminine perspective ("Ask this community what spirituality is for and they'll say equanimity, peace, love, presence").

3 hours ago, Joshe said:

You can't see you've constructed your entire frame. You think you're outside all frames. And I'm the one who can't see?

Your deconstruction as presented here is a frame too, you know. 'Outside' implies duality and therefore wrong, you need to realize that you are the frame and always have been, always will be. But it's tricky since 'you' is too vague, language as a whole is. Nothing anyone says or does can induce this realization; at best it can serve as some food for thought, and more often than not lead to further deception and distraction.

2 hours ago, Joshe said:

This thread isn't about me though. It's about deconstructing spiritual ladders.

When a deconstruction is not thorough enough, it will result in more construction. Making the relative into an absolute while sitting in the relative domain is a big oversight. Nobody's disputing that at the end of the day all the truth-seeking and awakening is a preference/bias/hobby, this fits perfectly well into the larger point. Bottomless delusion is the point, that's the whole structure of reality. Truth is the mechanism of delusion (short ver.: Truth is delusion). Truth being too sacred to deconstruct is a projection, if it's true it will withstand all deconstruction. And it will, because there's nothing there to deconstruct. See if you can deconstruct that. But tread lightly. Maybe give How Your Mind Interprets Reality another watch, it is often overlooked.

P.S.: your posts read much better without AI.

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2 hours ago, Joshe said:

authority

Key word and a summary of the entire thread right there. "To the man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail" is a similar proverb. Forget Love and all that fluff for now, that can come later. Just like everyone else, regardless of the level of consciousness or any which arbitrary metric, you have the final say on the beliefs and values you hold, whether you call those truth or opinions or something else, and how you react to and relate to 'frames' presented by others (assuming you believe others exist in the first place). That's simply authority. It can be externalized, such as accepting/rejecting someone's authority on a particular matter, or trying to project yours onto others (the so-called 'spiritual authority game', which can just as well be political, scientific, etc.); but it's really an internal, inalienable faculty. Colloquially, the ultimate authority in reality is known as God. Take it at face value with all the cultural baggage, reject it altogether, or reinterpret it into something in-between based on your personal experiences — any choice requires employing your authority. Authority is used as unconsciously as consciousness, one is not more fundamental than the other.
You exist, right? On whose authority? Existence, Consciousness, Authority, Reality, Truth, etc. are identical.
Since "Seek, and ye shall find" is so universal, consider that it could also mean that there's nothing that cannot be found (everything exists, a.k.a. Infinity), and that whatever anyone finds could be the same thing appearing as different forms. And after all, isn't a reality where everyone finds exactly what they want the most loving and perfect way a reality could be?

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