Puer Aeternus

Sounds like a grand adventure! I'm sure you'd learn a lot through interesting experiences, so f it why not man. If it's not for you, you're going to know pretty fast. Just make sure you don't join a cult

I'm sure many would be even less happy if they tried to kill their egos.

Straight up, honestly we are just built different somehow. But not in a we are so much better way. So many times I've looked in the mirror. Wondered why I was interested in this stuff. Even though it hurt so much to deconstruct. I couldn't stop. Those who want a normal live will live a normal life. Nothing wrong with that and could've easily been you. Humans just have different abilities, attractors in life, and a bunch of other unfathomable things my pea sized mind cannot fathom that make people do and be what they are.

Feeling chatty today Love can wait until tomorrow

Mm I think it an important thing to clarify! Cause it's really become just one of those buzzwords people throw around and parrot. There's genocide in Gaza! But is it literal genocide in Gaza? I don't like what's happening, but I don't know if it is genocide or not.

Perhaps it's unconscious but it's the more productive action. You won't become conscious if people are stepping all over you, exploiting you, playing with your emotions. Self-defense can be necessary for securing boundaries. Then you can transcend it more later.

Real men always eat meat before they sleep But I think we're pretty much agreeing, it's just some definition crap I'm getting stuck on

Is it?? Is a rabbit enlightened when it goes about life. Nibbling carrots and pooing in grass? It is simple and pure too. I feel like distinction is still relevant. To me, they are living harmoniously in life with the flow of natural rhythms. Producing a satisfying of life without modern complications. But it isn't knowing you're god. That all things are connected. That's just qualitatively different. But to be "enlightened", to be a tribe member, to be a rabbit. Distinctions can be made- But at the end of the day. All of the above will be fine as they are. They're different games of life and we don't have to pedestalize one over the others.

I don't see why not? At least to some extent, it would just look different. Perhaps as shamans. Some will naturally have spiritual abilities that'd likely be more welcomed than in western society. Depending on location, they could also have access to plant medicine.

It's really a different type of intelligence! A simple life can make you happy, I bet they eat super quality local food too. Especially if you're outside, touching grass, and being in your body with community. Rather than having you face shoved in a screen all day. With these tribal guys, it's super interesting how they can have a sixth sense too. Like they're just intuitively dialed into the flows of their environment from their whole life of living in it. Think it's a mistake to conflate LIVING with enlightenment. But it's definitely closer than neurotically dissociating into your head all the time. Either way, I'm sure a lot are content with how things already are

Brilliant example of what's possible when you maximize your talents with the right experiences and discipline.

Lol, here we go with this shit. That was a lot of words to come up with in reaction to a single sentence. You don't really have an idea of what I'm saying. You're talking to yourself in the mirror.

And so, the trend continues

@RendHeaven Are you by chance offering any of these services?

At the end of the day, it's a model. It's not perfect and doesn't explain reality. It tries to point at patterns, some of which can be interesting and insightful. You have a point with your arguments but you don't really seem to be adapting them when we try to explain and add nuance. Clearly it's just no your cup of tea and there's just not much more to be said! That's alright.

Thanks for the sauce, this is a big reason why I'll never trust scientific theory that's too distant from my direct ability to test. I'll always just treat it as a story, maybe it happened. Maybe I didn't.

You probably got it real good

Dude. It isn't just money. It's survival conditions. That's the war example. Different environments call for different strategies. If the zombie apocalypse happened tomorrow, that's a strong pressure pulling people downward towards survival and a new strategy. We're talking most intense scenario. And even that wouldn't be so clean cut.. oh no and everyone becomes red now instantly! No. It will be messy. There will be struggle. It's not as fallible as you're making it out to be. Softer examples happen all the time. Like a recession, some people get pulled down. It can even be a phase someone goes through in life where they have less resources and need to adapt. And you're right to question it. Getting pulled down sometimes is necessary to consolidate new things and hopefully move on.

I mean yes. We don't all start from the same place and the culture we are born into effects this. You get scaffolded up through red because your culture has already taken care of such survival needs for you. Which has pros and cons. Since your survival needs are taken care of so you can spend more time on other things. If everyone had to go through red center of gravity, so many people would get stuck grappling with survival their whole lives. Since people tend not to climb stages but stabilize around their culture's. If there's a collapse and people can't take survival for granted anymore. Then yes they will fall down, but it would be qualitatively different than if they'd only known red. People sent to war are a great example. Throws them into an intense survival environment. They'll be forced to embody red and it's proactive/painful aspects. Once they come home, most will spring back up to their culture's/previous level again. With new abilities and wounds however.. and sometimes things do go very wrong. But when the survival conditions are restored, so are they mostly to their former level.

Money is definitely true but I wouldn't say it's money only. But money is a fundamental pillar at the bottom supporting it all. When money = survival and even comfort

@saif2 Well, it isn't fair. I think that the issue is that not all people in developed country will be at higher stages. It will be a good spread. Some will care, some won't. In these quote on quote developed nations, most of them are largely in orange. Which can be still okay with exploitation, at its most toxic seeking it out without any moral grounding. They just don't tolerate it on the level blue would.. like literal legal slavery in their home country. Because again, emotional distance. There is a greater caring but it's only half there. It's not much more developed than blue though. Green cares a lot and sees how screwed up this all is. But green usually doesn't have strong enough of a threshold of population/power to change a country's foreign policy. Even if they could, things would probably go very wrong as they lack the ability to use tier two thinking. Blue and orange strategies are simply more pragmatic in the current world order, this represses green's influence down even more. As for your other contemplations! It makes sense information would be key to move people up to the next stage. I could see denial of the suffering of others keeping someone stuck in orange, perhaps if they could breakthrough that denial they'd begin transitioning more to green as they'd be connecting with humanity to a great extent. But I don't really know and these transitions don't always happen in guaranteed or linear ways.

Good find! Funnily enough I started getting this channel popping up in my recommended, I'll definitely check it out now

We see you plotting in the corner with your manipulation skills

@Natasha Tori Maru Woooah such a unique situation!! Very interesting Reminds me of famous people like Daniel Schmachtenberger and Richard Feynman whose parents were both very interested and interesting. Passing their genetics and passions to create very lightning in a bottle children. No surprise you can run circles with seeds like that planted in you so young, even in spite of the flaws!

Western countries can be more well-developed within their countries because they have stakeholders there to take care of. Outside of their borders, this level of accountability falls away and becomes more precarious. Different motives take hold and corrupt actors take stage. Foreign strategy and resource goals are pursued for the benefit of the state and individual actors with their own motives. It becomes more pragmatic, like backing a repressive authoritarian dictator if they will give you diplomatic benefits. Yet the level of development between the backing country and the dictatorship isn't the same. And to cope with this, people living in developed nations create emotional distancing and indifference to separate themselves from exploits done for their benefit abroad. Governments and corporations lean into this and sanitize things further. If Nike directly blasted it in your face how they use child labor from third world countries, they'd lose sales in developed countries. It breaks down the barrier and causes dissonance with their more compareitively progressive values. In lesser developed countries this game isn't as necessary. They're more in survival and less likely to care where something comes from when they're hungry. Additionally their in group out group structure may be more constrained, so as long as people in their identity group aren't being hurt they may not care much.