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Could you please break that up into paragraphs? People will be more likely to not dismiss it immediately, which I already sense people doing.

Yea, I have to say, it's REALLY surprising. Almost every spiritual traditional that Leo has an entire video on advises against lust and has people in it that practice celibacy. Really confused but maybe his mind can change in time.

What does that mean?

This explains it all pretty well: https://andreian.com/nofap-flatline/#:~:text=The Nofap flatline is a,while quitting masturbation and pornography.

Dismissing all peer-reviewed research on porn related topics as bro-science seems unfair, pretty sure the links here are actual science https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ybop-articles-on-porn-addiction-porn-induced-problems/effects-of-porn-on-the-user/porn-recovery-and-the-mysterious-flatline-2013/

Agreed 100%.

Thanks.

Not fighting, simply asserting what I know to be true about the dangers of porn and masturbation.

anecdotally you'd find over 1,000,000 people that contradict that experience through this link alone https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/tools-for-change-recovery-from-porn-addiction/external-rebooting-blogs-forums-threads/

What? lol. It's the website of the late Gary Wilson 16 mil views

I just don't think anyone who is intellectually honest could spend some time on this website and genuinely leave with the conclusion that porn is healthy/good for you/not a major societal issue *shrug* https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/

Dunno man: https://www.everydayhealth.com/erectile-dysfunction/pornography-habit-is-linked-to-erectile-dysfunction-research-suggests/ "Pornography Habit Is Linked to Erectile Dysfunction, Research Suggests Survey says more than 50 percent with erectile dysfunction problems during partnered sex don’t have a problem when watching porn."

Good response, I'm trying not to let my discovery of Leo's stance on this topic, in stark contrast to my own, diminish the legitimacy of his Life Purpose Course, which I paid for and am finding useful. I will just agree to disagree with him on this.

High speed internet porn is a new phenomenon our brains aren't equipped to deal with though. It hasn't been a problem for many decades, it's new. How can you not notice the obvious correlation with youth ED rates as being associated with high speed internet porn, for example? https://publichealth.jmir.org/2021/10/e32542/

It's a disappointment because I agree with Leo on so many other things and have found tremendous help, but porn and masturbation has absolutely destroyed my life in many negative ways and I'm pretty shocked one cannot see this. I think he should look into Noah Church, Dr. Trish Leigh, Gary Wilson's work, but it seems his opinion is pretty set in stone. He does say to not trust any person blindly though, and, while I agree with most of Leo's teaching, I'll never be on board with "porn is natural, harmless" thinking.

I guess I'm trying to cope with someone suddenly leaving me that I was really hoping to becoming a girlfriend.

So similar to art you look at it and don't jerk off? I am confused, never heard someone say that before about porn.

I'm surprised too that Buddhism and monks that take vows of celibacy aren't considered in a spiritual forum: "Study of Buddhist monks suggests celibacy can have surprising evolutionary advantages" https://www.psypost.org/2022/09/study-of-buddhist-monks-suggests-celibacy-can-have-surprising-evolutionary-advantages-63921

Is it just jerking off you say this about or porn as well? I think it's an important distinction. I am pretty convince, considering I've read mountains of peer-reviews evidence that porn is negative for the brain. I'm sure you've been to this website and are familiar with Gary Wilson: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/

I guess you could say the same thing about other users of the forum who are starkly against weed and alcohol but say go hog wild with porn/masturbation, right?

I've noticed Leo say some stuff that seems pro-porn, which I just am not, but can't agree with everyone on everything. I just wondered his reasoning.

Why do you think that?

Thank you, but why do you mean avoid talking about it? Most people recommend having a community of like-minded people who are trying to quit.

If you're trying to put away porn usage for life and still slipping up sometimes, what would you recommend then?

The title is basically everything. I was born with a deformity that needed years of surgeries which caused me unexplainable amounts of physical and mental pain. My dad died when I was 5. I'm being asked to find a "positive lesson" in these instances and I'm honestly coming up with nothing - they were negative and life would have been surely better without them. Can anyone assist me? Thank you.