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yea you could say nothing is the back of your head. thats the same as deep sleep imo. but yes i think ultimately we agree. True nothingness does not exist. but nothingness can be experienced and thus it does exist,but in virtue of it being experiencable (word?) and existing, its not true nothingness.

well. i would say in deep sleep you aren't aware of neither of those things. its completely without qualities. however i will agree with you, its not true non existence, since when you wake up, you are aware there was a period in which all phenomena ceased. true non existence could be said to be THIS right here. because its not here. an eternity of true non existence could elapse during every single moment of existence, and there would be absolutley no difference in how we experienced life. because it would not exist. true non existence cannot be. but Nothingness can be experienced. nothingness is the ceasing of all phenomena, which is deep sleep. yet it is still something

this sounds very much like derealization. had it myself for the better part of 2 years - worst years of my life. but life is so much more beautiful when u get out on the other side

being the deep sleep lord of this forum; again, if nothing cant exist, what do you call deep sleep? even non existence is bound by existence. Nothing does exist

hahahah true, but he does have a point tho. ego death might be a misleading term after all, since psychedelic induced ego death is a temporary state. something thats dead doesnt return this would also be my reply to OP i guess. although temporary, in my experience the ego can be completely annihilated through psychedelics. it does however return afterwards of course

ive been delving into the subject the past few days, and the term has very different meanings depending on the tradition. from what i gather, the theravada buddhists believe you just merge into vast Nothingness / for ever non existence / deep sleep. Then there are people like Osho, who take the term Nirvana / Mukti / liberation to be a complete merging with all of existence. Existing for ever as the universe itself. This is much aligned with leos teachings. I can't quite decipher what someone like Sadhguru means with the term liberation. I stumbled upon this article, and isolated it seems that to him Liberation is simply non existence https://isha.sadhguru.org/en/wisdom/article/samadhi-to-go-beyond-existence It can be interpreted in different ways. there are other articles where he clearly states that all that is lost after Liberation is the individual identity, and that life itself goes on just being Life. Quite generally this seem to be the Hindu understanding of Liberation, and also other variants of buddhism, such as mahayana to be fair im pretty mindfucked atm. seems like quite a bummer if the purpose of existence is to get rid of it lol. My take is that ultimately, whereever we end up, it has to be the same place that got us here in the first place. Say you dismantle your karma totally, and end up in non existence - whats to prevent that non existence from popping into existence again? it must be the same thing that spawned you in the first place whats your guys' take on this?

i like this and agree largely. however if nothing cant exist, what is deep sleep?

read the article i linked, it could be interpreted as total non existence. specifically the section on mahasamadhi although given sadhgurus other statements, i believe its to be interpreted as non existence in terms of individual identity

yes, this was my takeaway as well.

yea that was basically my point. i think us being incarnated right now is proof that eternity equals incarnation

yes, im fairly certain that Sadhguru means that after Mukti you exist as pure consciousness / the universe forever. i recall him saying in videos "the buddha is just as alive today as he was 3500 years ago. hes just liberated from physical bondage" or something like that. he also uses the analogy of the soap bubble, where you blow that bubble, and the air inside merge with the air around. furthermore he also explicitely says that life goes on, its just individual existence that ends. so im fairly sure that hes view is that of a continued existence

this is trippy

the boat can always be turned around. always. though you may get other lives, THIS specific life will probably never come back. the things you want in this life, you'll never get to experience it excactly the way you do in this life. your favorite songs, your favorite meals, your favorite movies. your family, your friends. all that is completely unique to your life. even if you were to experience the life of one of your family members, their perspective on the same things would be completely different. this makes the individual life immensly precious. and remember; death is certain. life is impermanent. its only temporary. this means theres a limitation to how wrong life can go. so what the hell, why not try to make it through it, even through it might suck and you might suffer? maybe you would end up turning your life around, and you'd get to experience the precious value of your unique individual life. in the end, you will be released from the cage of the body anyways.

@Keryo Koffa hahahahah i was just thinking the same. epic

this mahasamadhi-like experience i always found quite fascinating. were you able to enter that state at will with 5meo? and do u think what you experienced is actually what the yogis experience when they do mahasamadhi?

+1. notice that solipsism only feels uncomfortable in virtue of the thoughts you have surrounding it. actual solipsism is not negative, thoughts make it negative

what do u mean, did u actually physically die?

this conflict has been looming for decades in northern europe. my guess is this only will be the beginning unfortunately

lol hahah

no fap has been completely life changing in my experience. sexual energy is completely magical when experienced in all of its power. when you get this you will not want to waste it ejaculating to porn watching porn and fapping once in a while doesnt really affect me that much. however being in the habit of fapping / porning regularly is what sucks out your life force

we need a free for all chat thread

yes, the way i see it there is no way in hell this is what the buddha actually taught. all other religions amased followers through the promise of an eternal life. Buddhism allegedly amased followers the direct opposite way, by instructing people how to end an already eternal cycle of life definitively. no way the buddha could have gotten followers by preaching a spiritual suicide tutorial

i'll make sure not to cleanse my karma then. i dont want this party to stop hehehe

@CARDOZZO yea man i fucking love the existential dialoges. i know few real life characters who engage in this kind of talk. its something so different than all other topics imo <3 <3

its just different facets of the same holon the way i see it. same level of complexity, different aspect. in my experience nothing in creation is any more or less complex than anything else. its all pure genius