Eskilon

Funny you say that, your name literally have OBE in it

Some do, some don't. For sure.

Let's contemplate this, feel free to share your thoughts and the like. Some questions that I feel are interesting below. - Will people get lazy(or be more lazy) and hedonistic if their basic material conditions were fulfilled? Or, will they actually pursue their hobbies, which by the way might not just be hobbies, but an actual passion that they didn't commit in life because of fear, lack of introspection, soul searching, and also self-honesty. - Do you think the average human is ambitious enough to go out of their way, and work their ass off if basic material conditions were taken care of? - Will this income slow technological innovation and progress? - Will a world basic income, alleviate survival pressure on people, so that they can pursue spiritual development and growth? - Lastly, if it were implemented, would it do more good than harm overall?

One scenario that I can see UBI working is if we get along well with AI so they could do all the low abstraction work while we self-actualize. But that will require a tremendous ammount of energy to support those robots and AIs.

Don't know why, but it reminds me of Rinnegan

Not all manipulations are evil in intent. And also, good luck navigating life without manipulating your situations. You have a limited form, you value life, you have values, you need to protect yourself.

Hmm, never thought about eliminating just the mundane and 'boring' aspect of activities. This could be good too, but I don't think it matches the power of an UBI, because even if you are unemployed or if you never worked in your life you would get money.

Yes, I can see that happening too; people are survival zombies. Work play into people's identity, if you remove that, it's like you are killing them; even though most of them are not in their right work(life purpose). I think too gradation is the safest and the more reasonable strategy.

I do share you view on this too. I don't think people wil just self-actualize if they were given time. People are too unserious to care. Yes, this a significant concern. All the low-end jobs will basically go extinct, how would the economy react? I don't know yet.

Polygamy would only be cool if the earth was filled with high consciousness people. Like a very advanced alien society. In this way you could engange with them and learn a ton with every interaction.

This is so true. I don't like to lie and I wouldn't. But we are in the dark ages of human development, you can't do good and be wise if you don't lie a little and omit some things. This things would not be necessary if people were more spiritual, honest, and more loving. But since they aren't, some immoral things are needed to play the current game.

Enlightenment is Love. It could be said that Enlightenment is big Love. Human relationships is just refined selfishness. Why do you love your partner so much but not you chair, or some beggar on the street?

It is not a meme, and no one here is pretending, unless you are of course. I literally just defended. It is relevant because you just said the following:" You don't need to do any experiment and you don't need to observe anything in the world in order for those rules to hold up". The reason anything "hold up" it's because you are conscious of it. lol. Never said anything about categories, I just dissected your statement from a certain point of view. I just asked some questions, or that isn't categorically correct with a empirical investigation? Then the question is, what is an abstract container？It doen't make sense asking that question? How so? Tell me how it is incoherent to trying to understand what you wrote as "Rule of inference".

No, it's actually the most important part of your post, that's why I quoted. For this rules to work, or for you to even be questioning something like "Rules of inference", you need to be conscious, and not only that, a specific state of cousciousness. Your whole inquiry is pure nonsense to an ant. You seem to think that the laws of nature is not dependent on you, it is. You seem to think that logic just exist out there in nature, it does not. Someone literally arrived at this conclusion, how? Empirically How do you know what a P is？ what is a If? and what is Therefore？ what is a Q? And if you apply semantics and logic to all this symbols, and acknowledge it's assumptions what will come up of it?

Dude, who programmed the computer in order for it to work the way it work? Who had a conscious experience, did the investigation empirically, and then transfered to the computer? Lol

It seems that you have some integration and contemplation to do. If you are really for Truth and awakening and you feel such a strong pull to know, then just meditate and see where it leaves you. See if you are really confortable just being and not doing anything. I think it's unlikely that you have transcended all actions and ambitions in this material world, otherwise this post wouldn't exist. In other words, really figure out what you want out of this experience of life. What is it that you want to do, or are you comfortable just being and doing spiritual practice. Investigate this deeply.

Masturbate to the feeling of horniness itself.

I see. Thanks for the clarification on emptiness. Awakening is such a tricky beast lol. Even though everything is conciousness, there are degrees to it. I have some good degree of No-self in my baseline consciousness, but it is nowhere near the state where I don't know my own name. So in a sense it's not the ultimate degree of No-self, but a necessary step for the spiritual aspirant.

Nice to hear your assessment on the issue. I generally agree with your points. I thought I was the only one who woke up crying out of love. Are you an INFP by any chance?

For you, that's the same thing as realizing Sunyata(emptiness)? Or do you think there`s a difference?

That's just the case with most western philosophers. They are not interested in Truth; they want to stay in maya and justify their bullshit. They for sure love to chase their own tail and definitely are avoiding that tree.

Nowdays women are more and more financially independent. Considering the legal implications, what's the point of marriage if that's the case? Isn't it better to be eternal boyfriends and girlfriends?

SO true Also, it's interesting that the list is composed of only introverts.

Is it tho? Why aren't scientists doing this then? If they were actual skeptics they should be having an existential crisis till they cry their guts out. Philosophers and scientist aren`t rigorous enough.