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@Hojo Let me guess. You are a spiritually evolved, highly aware so called good man here to lecture us inferior more primitive men because you have it all figured out. You know nothing.

@Hojo Bunch of nonsense to make men feel ashamed of our sexual desires.

You are just discovering as an adult man that looks and money matter?

The kind of man, women claim to dislike yet he has an endless supply of women.

I am going of what women themselves say, it's being written about in mainstream articles. There are female dating coaches teaching women how to signal they are receptive. What reason would I have to make this up?

This also matches what I have observed. Women are not very receptive to approaching today because they find most men creepy. The more confident women are increasingly taking the initiative because women today have very specific types. My attractive male friends are constantly being approached online and in real life.

So you think naturally women want to be pursued and that is what is best but due to traumatic childhoods and emotional damage they get into these cycles where they are chasing, which never ends well. Correct me if I am wrong. A question I have is can a man attract any women who is emotionally healthy through pursuing or is it completely dependent on being her specific type? The problem is that from what I see is that many women have the same type. Even if they are actually healthy and want to be pursued. There is a lot of talk across social media about men not approaching women anymore or initiating contact but the overwhelming experience from the male side is that women DO want to be approached and pursued but by a very specific type of man.

@Emerald The issue is that in 2025 women are not attracted to the men who would see them as a prize, despite claiming that is what they want. I think the problem is that women want the men they see as the prize to adore them back and be their Prince Charming but these men have so many options that they have no incentive to prioritize one woman over another.

This is what women want even if it contradicts what they claim they want. If you observe the actions of women unrestricted they naturally choose to become a part of harems for the most powerful men.

The most attractive men, high status men are the prize, they have the most power and leverage because they are so scarce. After that it is all women pretty much then the mass of average and below average men, living lives of quiet desperation.

If women don't come to you, you are not attractive. My friends who get laid the most have to very little work, Women send them DMs and initiate the interactions while the rest of us peasants have to scramble for the slightest chance of being acknowledged. Tragic.

Vatican City

@Raze Your spot on but any scrutiny of women's role in the current dating dynamic will be met with hostility.

There are no red flags if you are a tall, white man. They cannot be creeps. Standards for behaviour exist only for men outside that exclusive demographic of men. It's the harsh truth. He could walk up to women of all races naked with Nazi tattoos and still find women receptive. Women don't like to acknowledge this because it contradicts the "women are wonderful, intuitive, virtuous goddesses" propaganda, which anyone can see is blatantly fraudulent when we just observe the actions of women and what they choose juxtaposed to what they say they like.

Women's standards and boundaries go out of the window for attractive, high status men. These men live in a different world, they can demand anything and the women will accept it because if she doesn't there are other women waiting to take her place.

I am in the exact same position. You are going to get a lot of "just go out there" advice from people who most likely take having a sex life for granted. They don't understand the barriers facing unattractive, shy men, the "fuck off" glares women give you before you even open your mouth to initiate a conversation. I have come to the conclusion that life is not fair and some of us were never meant to have those experiences.

You don't need to have your shit together to get laid. You just need to be sexy enough at the right time to a particular women. Some men are luckier than others and some men will never be sexy enough for any woman.

@Princess Arabia Ok well let's agree to disagree. I will stop responding to your post for the foreseeable future, I don't enjoy antagonizing people when it is not my intention at all.

Toxic and healthy is a false dichotomy.

The bolded. I felt all of these had a harsh, aggressive tone. There seems to be an emphasis on disgust. I feel this is insensitive to trauma and how it influences a person perception. Everybody is dealing with something maybe not everyone is as open about me but it is not a reason to be dismissive. I do post on other sections not anywhere as much on this section but I feel that is necessary. I am allowed to have a particular interest in a specific section. Maybe it's an area where I need to develop and work things out. A more immature young man would take this comment and run away to some forum or discord server where there is no one to challenge his views. I don't like echo chambers, I like being challenged but it should be respectful. I made the point about spirituality because often the response on many topics comes down to essentially everything is about love, self awareness and doing the work but on the topic of dating dynamics specifically the tone is completely different. It feels as if I don't agree exactly with what is said about women I am on the verge of being insulted. Yes it's not exactly what you said here but an overall pattern which implies that I should know my place.

@Princess Arabia I think I deserve an apology. There is a vast difference in my tone towards you and your tone towards me.

So are you just being joyfully mean now? Again I have never said anything personal in all our discussions. I don't understand what you get out of responding to me like this with such venom. I feel like you are maybe channeling your frustrations with men and what others have said about you into your responses to me because these responses seem out of place for what we were discussing.

Tale about Jazz. Talking about the fact that I am responding while relaxed listening to music is a tale. Why do I trigger all of you so much? I don't really get it. I am not elevating my credibility. I am listening to my favourite genre of music while I responding, it's that simple. Nobody's views are 100% based on fact and reality. Everything is coloured by perception to some extent and I simply sharing mine with no personal insults. It is very hurtful to be treated like this by people I have either interacted with respectfully for long periods of time or by people I have barely interacted with.

@Princess Arabia That's fine if you don't want to respond or interact with me anymore. However, I don't think it's necessary to be so personal. In all our discussions and disagreements I have never once insulted you or judged you sexually. I am simply defend my views but it seems simply disagreeing leads to vilification that to me seems beyond necessary. Writing about my scars is uncalled for. If I wrote like this I would receive a warning. Even if I am stubbornly disagreeing, I am always measured and respectful in my post. Far worst is said on this forum with less decorum and respect. There is a lot of talk about needing to be more vulnerable and open up about their experiences but look what happens when you do that, it is used against you. Supposedly women are better communicators and more emotionally intelligent but these response don't indicate that. There is nothing enlightened or evolved about these responses to my post. A trend I have noticed is people who think they have reached a certain level of spiritual and emotional development look down on others and treat people who disagree with them with contempt. Maybe my views and observations are related to my stage of self development and your views are related to your stage of development but nothing I have ever said warrants that response. I think you should apologise but I don't expect it because I sense you think I am beneath you.

Interesting that sharing my views triggers people so much. I don't make personal insults or comments, I am never vulgar and I don't dismiss the experiences of other people. I simply challenge mainstream perspectives and defend my observations stubbornly perhaps. I never write what I write with venom. I am not in my mother's basement seething, I am listening to Jazz music and creating a new vision board. It seems not agreeing with the status quo really hurts people. It is what it is.