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Until women admit they are as shallow if not more than men then all these videos will mean nothing. If women were attracted to what they say they are attracted to we would have a completely different dating scene and a completely different world. Kind, sensitive, emotionally intelligent do not get picked........The men who attract the most women cause so much damage because they never have to improve or do any inner work because women will choose them for their looks and status anyway.

Society is not evolving. Society is lying to itself. Actually this so called evolving only has revealed the dark shadow of men and especially women more. I am not very traditionally masculine myself but people who talk like this to be blunt are almost always full of shit.

There is no such thing as toxic masculinity or healthy masculinity. For such a dichotomy to exist there need to be an objective moral standard we collectively adhere to. For any of us to exist discussing ideas on a forum means we are descendants of amoral, ruthless men who for millennia out competed and out thought other men for the right to pass on their genes to the next generation. This is simply nature. My maternal grandfather brutally murdered Japanese soldiers during world war 2 then went on to have seven daughters including my mother. Was his capacity to kill toxic or was it necessary to stop Imperial Japan rampaging across south east-asia committing crimes against humanity. Masculinity contrary to popular belief is as nuanced and complicated as femininity. The best things about men; physical strength, drive, competition and organization.........inevitably can have negative manifestations. However, you can't repress the negative parts without damaging the positive expressions of masculinity. In other words masculinity has to be accepted in its entirety including the ugly, uncomfortable parts. The moral righteousness of people who use the term toxic masculinity only exposes their own discomfort with their own ugly, animalistic nature which we all have. A common pattern I have noticed among people who use the term toxic masculinity is that they are hypocrites and projecting. The male feminist who wants to prove he was of the kind, good, emotionally intelligent men by demonizing other men for being toxic often turns out to be an abuser himself. Women who scream about toxic masculinity are the one dating violent bad boys, narcissistic fuckboys. They are so confused by their own nature that they vilify good men to rationalize their attraction towards what they claim to hate. Men who have never harmed, abused or manipulated a woman are treated with more disgust and venom than the men who actually harm women. Why? because women actually love toxic masculinity. The men living from their most toxic side are not the ones suffering from the male loneliness crisis. There is no incentive to be a so called good man because following the current discourse, the goalpost for meeting the required standard to be a healthy man can always be raised higher and higher. You are never good enough and while you trying to become this enlightened, emotionally intelligent, kind saint..... women are flocking to men who embody the exact opposite of these qualities. Men should do as they please. Masculinity does not mean protecting, providing, serving, building etc if that is not what you genuinely desire or want to do. True masculinity if there is such thing is living according to your own instinct, intuitions and desires regardless of any flimsy, subjective morality imposed by hypocrites who don't practice what they preach. The most important thing however, is taking full responsibility for the path you take. That is above everything.

I wouldn't say I hate women because hate leads to action and I have no intent to hurt women but I share your frustration. The more I learn about women, the more I consider their views and really listen to them juxtaposed with their actions the more I wonder if they are worth it. I feel like unless you are the kind of man women actively pursue due to some combination of looks, status, charm, money etc...then it's not worth going out of your way to be involved with them. The irony is guys who naturally get the most women are indifferent to them and don't treat them well. Women themselves seem confused and disappointed by their own choices. I find collectively women are nowhere as romantic, nurturing, empathetic as is claimed. All of this is not a pass to mistreatment women. I wouldn't turn back the clock on any of their advancements or choose to live in a more traditional time, it's better to see their true nature for what it is unrestricted as it is in the west.

So basically if you are not very attractive man on first sight you pretty much have to become famous or at the very least become high status. Can't just exist anymore as a regular guy and attract women because even average women want the very best they can get and they will sacrifice commitment to just be an attractive man's fuck buddy rather than get commitment from a man on her level. The catch 22 is that once you become that attractive, high status man what incentive is there to commit to any one woman when you have so many options? Women unintentionally create the dating scene they complain about. Players and fuckboys exist because men who can live that way are heavily incentivized to do so.

Better than being invisible

So detach from things that surface in your reality that you don't desire or see everything including seemingly undesirable things as positive. Whatever we give attention to grows. When you say "you already manifest all your life"....... for clarity do you mean everything is already done and decided or we create our lives moment to moment?

The best system is choosing the right parents on the astral plane

@Schizophonia You believe in manifesting? Some manifestor's now say that some things are not meant for everybody, like some people are simply not destined to be famous regardless of what they do. What do you think?

Damn so 15% of women automatically dismiss me because of my glasses?

Not really. They broke up shortly after I was born and I am not enjoying life. I increasingly feel life is not worth living, so I resent them for bringing into the world through the vessel of a loveless relationship with no real ability to help or teach me anything.

"What is my biggest fear if a woman sees my scars?" Some of my past rejections were in the form of facial expressions where the girl seemed to have a physiological reaction to me like "ewww".....I imagine if I got to the stage where they actually saw my body that would trigger a similar reaction and because it would be a reaction to scars that represent actual physical suffering that is another layer of pain beyond just a simple romantic rejection. What do you think about Ekhart Tolle and his idea of the pain body? The idea that we carry all the traumas and negative emotions around that we have to learn how to transmute.

"How are you trying to protect or serve yourself by holding onto the idea that women aren't interested in anyone but the highest status guys?" Well, extreme fear of rejection is obviously a factor. My self esteem has never been high and I did not get much validation from anywhere growing up. So I find it difficult to believe anyone would like me. Father was not around and mother was depressed for most of my childhood due to my childhood illness. I spent most of my childhood until the age of 11 in a Children's hospital. I was a bit behind socially compared to my peers and got bullied ruthlessly. The girls would say "you are going to die a virgin" and a group of boys would say everyday....."nobody loves you". I had multiple operations as a child and have scars and stitches all over my body, I am basically a Frankenstein monster naked. So one thing i have realized is that I would probably have to explain a whole lot of painful personal stuff to any woman I become intimate with. Maybe I am avoiding that. However, I did find my tribe late in high school and went through a more extroverted phase between age 17-22, where I became very outgoing and had a wide social circle. I tried to date and got rejected every time. I have never denied that I have my flaws and traumas but so do many and yet they are able to find mates. So while I concede that my point of view is heavily coloured by deep internal wounds, it can't be the only reason. It is clear dating is not what it was 15 years ago let alone half a century ago. Looks and status have never mattered more.

Most men grow up wanting hot girls that is true but dating is harsh for most men. The majority of learn our place in the hierarchy very quickly and adjust. There are literal international supermodels 15 minutes away from me in my city but I don't fantasize or even think about approaching them because I have zero chance. They date Formula One Drivers, CEO's and Premier League Soccer players.

@Emerald Good post. I think the most attractive men that women are competing for have so many options that woman do need the man to invest more in the beginning. That is the way it should work in theory but these men have so many options that women cannot help but put all their cards on the table to out compete the other women. Less attractive men should either drop out of the dating scene in this ruthless era or exercise extreme patience and discernment in identifying the very small pool of women who might see value in them, otherwise consistent rejection will chip away at your self esteem and trigger unhealthy resentment towards women. We should be teaching boys that there is a possibility you will not attract women or get dates, to kill the entitlement and expectation. The every man gets a wife just for existing and doing the bare minimum era has died and it's not coming back. We are returning to a more natural state with regards to mating patterns due to the freedom women now have. Older women are increasingly sleeping and dating much younger fuckboys or "Chads". So maybe the desire to settle down with the mature beta is not innate but something women were socialized to do and now they have the freedom and independence at least in the west to choose a man based on lust and desire for as long as they want. I think what you are saying about choosing mature beta may have been true in the previous paradigm but I think we are witnessing a shift. In he west mature, successful, financially independent women already get companionship from their girlfriends, they don't really need men anymore so the only men who get chose now are the ones who really hit the spot in therms of lust and desire. What do you think?

Majed definitely smoking some tainted weed.

What makes me seem depraved?

Not enough Chads for women to be interested. Being a spiritual, self actualizing man does not improve your attractiveness to women.

@MsNobody You can't just wake up one morning and to decide to have a girlfriend. If only it was that easy. Most men do not have options.

My experience with both archetypes of women is mostly negative. Neither seem to like me. Women don't seem to like me period. The few that have are so different from each other that it is hard to discern a pattern. However, this is helpful. Thanks.

Selfless, artistic, funny, charismatic but manipulative. Why? Are you trying to psychoanalyze me?

So kind, reserved, sensitive men who need a hug are popular with women in your reality? Since reality is so dependent on our beliefs and everyone is sharing their experiences on this forum there should be stories of the kind of men I describe being incredibly popular after all if the serial killers can attract women why wouldn't the shy guy? Where is that reality? Why is it on every dating forum across and across social media women themselves speak of the allure of men who they know are bad for them. I never see these kinds of videos for the average, sensitive man just trying to figure things out.

I am not any of those things but I have been in street fights in situations where I had no choice but to defend myself and there is a startling primal shift in behaviour when women have seen you fight. Also I am not a bad boy at all, I am mostly shy and unsure of myself but I have been told by a close friend that my quietness comes across as a quiet aloofness and some women find it alluring. I am often moody and sarcastic and when I am in that mood I can become quite rude. I remember once telling this girl at University to get on her knees in the library. I was in a bad mood and wanted to say something to make her go away thinking "of course she won't get on her knees in front of everyone in the library but she will leave me alone" This young woman who is now married to a Swedish Priest, got on her knees in the library. Basically I am not popular with women. I have never pretended to be someone I am not on here. However, the times I have managed to attract a woman have never been for what many consider positive qualities. Some of directly said they like me because I don't treat them well. My kind, sensitive, light hearted side has never attracted a woman. Let me guess my experiences mean nothing......

Even if I was miserable in real life wouldn't matter if I had the right bone structure and features. This myth about vibe, being a good person etc is getting embarrassing, women can barely conceal it anymore although they try with the aid of upstanding gentlemen like you. Even if they are not looking to date serial killers, the fact is morality has nothing to do with attraction and as long as the gaslighting of men continues, I will continue to make my points as I please. Give yourself a pat on the back. I guess you're a good man who needs to put someone in their place, have a cookie. You're the idiot. You see, I can trade personal insults about someone I don't know too. How evolved and noble. I don't give a **** about what you think. Keep it moving if you don't like my posts idiot.

Start a cult. Women love a cult leader.