Tenebroso

Funny that you mention nightclubs because it's known in that the world that nightlife is dying because men have stopped going because there is no point. Women have zero interest in 99% of men they meet at a nightclub. Those days are over. I go out all the time and I see much older couples but young people are either alone or with friend groups if it's a young couple it is always tall, attractive man with average woman. I never see the unattractive man with attractive woman thing people talk about.

Most men do not have options for sex. I live in a city of 10 million people. This weekend I can't snap my fingers and decide to have sex, the fact that I am attracted to many women means nothing. They are not real options because pretty much all of them will not not be attracted to me.

What you are really just exposing is that men have much lower standards for women in terms arousing lust. However, the fact that men find so many women attractive is more of a problem because the vast majority of those women will not want to have anything to do with you. The issue with this subject is that women speak like attraction is evenly distributed and that there is a woman for every guy, while what really happens is that some guys end up being involved with hundreds of women and other die alone. Men do not have an abundance of options, the fact that men are expected to approach is a burden not a privilege. Most men will experience rejection after rejection the fact that men are so easily attracted to women is more of an absurd cosmic joke of the universe because we are repulsive to the majority of women we will ever find attractive. A very small percentage of attractive, high status men experience true abundance.

This is a backhanded compliment. Let me be cynical in peace.

Be rude and selfish they love that.

Not attracted to younger women. I am early 30s. I pay attention to women my age and older. Older women are into the same things, it is a myth that other qualities become more important as you get older. Actually older women are now competing with younger women for the hot younger guys. Women are independent and free now as they should be to choose lust and desire and that means there isn't much difference in the taste of young women and older women. Maybe once upon a time women did evolve in their taste as they aged but I think that is not true anymore. Well the dating scene seems to be a mess and women seem to not be getting what they need from the guys that they are involved with yet those guys are continually picked. So it's not adding up.

Until women admit they are as shallow if not more than men then all these videos will mean nothing. If women were attracted to what they say they are attracted to we would have a completely different dating scene and a completely different world. Kind, sensitive, emotionally intelligent do not get picked........The men who attract the most women cause so much damage because they never have to improve or do any inner work because women will choose them for their looks and status anyway.

Society is not evolving. Society is lying to itself. Actually this so called evolving only has revealed the dark shadow of men and especially women more. I am not very traditionally masculine myself but people who talk like this to be blunt are almost always full of shit.

There is no such thing as toxic masculinity or healthy masculinity. For such a dichotomy to exist there need to be an objective moral standard we collectively adhere to. For any of us to exist discussing ideas on a forum means we are descendants of amoral, ruthless men who for millennia out competed and out thought other men for the right to pass on their genes to the next generation. This is simply nature. My maternal grandfather brutally murdered Japanese soldiers during world war 2 then went on to have seven daughters including my mother. Was his capacity to kill toxic or was it necessary to stop Imperial Japan rampaging across south east-asia committing crimes against humanity. Masculinity contrary to popular belief is as nuanced and complicated as femininity. The best things about men; physical strength, drive, competition and organization.........inevitably can have negative manifestations. However, you can't repress the negative parts without damaging the positive expressions of masculinity. In other words masculinity has to be accepted in its entirety including the ugly, uncomfortable parts. The moral righteousness of people who use the term toxic masculinity only exposes their own discomfort with their own ugly, animalistic nature which we all have. A common pattern I have noticed among people who use the term toxic masculinity is that they are hypocrites and projecting. The male feminist who wants to prove he was of the kind, good, emotionally intelligent men by demonizing other men for being toxic often turns out to be an abuser himself. Women who scream about toxic masculinity are the one dating violent bad boys, narcissistic fuckboys. They are so confused by their own nature that they vilify good men to rationalize their attraction towards what they claim to hate. Men who have never harmed, abused or manipulated a woman are treated with more disgust and venom than the men who actually harm women. Why? because women actually love toxic masculinity. The men living from their most toxic side are not the ones suffering from the male loneliness crisis. There is no incentive to be a so called good man because following the current discourse, the goalpost for meeting the required standard to be a healthy man can always be raised higher and higher. You are never good enough and while you trying to become this enlightened, emotionally intelligent, kind saint..... women are flocking to men who embody the exact opposite of these qualities. Men should do as they please. Masculinity does not mean protecting, providing, serving, building etc if that is not what you genuinely desire or want to do. True masculinity if there is such thing is living according to your own instinct, intuitions and desires regardless of any flimsy, subjective morality imposed by hypocrites who don't practice what they preach. The most important thing however, is taking full responsibility for the path you take. That is above everything.

I wouldn't say I hate women because hate leads to action and I have no intent to hurt women but I share your frustration. The more I learn about women, the more I consider their views and really listen to them juxtaposed with their actions the more I wonder if they are worth it. I feel like unless you are the kind of man women actively pursue due to some combination of looks, status, charm, money etc...then it's not worth going out of your way to be involved with them. The irony is guys who naturally get the most women are indifferent to them and don't treat them well. Women themselves seem confused and disappointed by their own choices. I find collectively women are nowhere as romantic, nurturing, empathetic as is claimed. All of this is not a pass to mistreatment women. I wouldn't turn back the clock on any of their advancements or choose to live in a more traditional time, it's better to see their true nature for what it is unrestricted as it is in the west.

So basically if you are not very attractive man on first sight you pretty much have to become famous or at the very least become high status. Can't just exist anymore as a regular guy and attract women because even average women want the very best they can get and they will sacrifice commitment to just be an attractive man's fuck buddy rather than get commitment from a man on her level. The catch 22 is that once you become that attractive, high status man what incentive is there to commit to any one woman when you have so many options? Women unintentionally create the dating scene they complain about. Players and fuckboys exist because men who can live that way are heavily incentivized to do so.

Better than being invisible

So detach from things that surface in your reality that you don't desire or see everything including seemingly undesirable things as positive. Whatever we give attention to grows. When you say "you already manifest all your life"....... for clarity do you mean everything is already done and decided or we create our lives moment to moment?

The best system is choosing the right parents on the astral plane

@Schizophonia You believe in manifesting? Some manifestor's now say that some things are not meant for everybody, like some people are simply not destined to be famous regardless of what they do. What do you think?

Damn so 15% of women automatically dismiss me because of my glasses?

Not really. They broke up shortly after I was born and I am not enjoying life. I increasingly feel life is not worth living, so I resent them for bringing into the world through the vessel of a loveless relationship with no real ability to help or teach me anything.

"What is my biggest fear if a woman sees my scars?" Some of my past rejections were in the form of facial expressions where the girl seemed to have a physiological reaction to me like "ewww".....I imagine if I got to the stage where they actually saw my body that would trigger a similar reaction and because it would be a reaction to scars that represent actual physical suffering that is another layer of pain beyond just a simple romantic rejection. What do you think about Ekhart Tolle and his idea of the pain body? The idea that we carry all the traumas and negative emotions around that we have to learn how to transmute.

"How are you trying to protect or serve yourself by holding onto the idea that women aren't interested in anyone but the highest status guys?" Well, extreme fear of rejection is obviously a factor. My self esteem has never been high and I did not get much validation from anywhere growing up. So I find it difficult to believe anyone would like me. Father was not around and mother was depressed for most of my childhood due to my childhood illness. I spent most of my childhood until the age of 11 in a Children's hospital. I was a bit behind socially compared to my peers and got bullied ruthlessly. The girls would say "you are going to die a virgin" and a group of boys would say everyday....."nobody loves you". I had multiple operations as a child and have scars and stitches all over my body, I am basically a Frankenstein monster naked. So one thing i have realized is that I would probably have to explain a whole lot of painful personal stuff to any woman I become intimate with. Maybe I am avoiding that. However, I did find my tribe late in high school and went through a more extroverted phase between age 17-22, where I became very outgoing and had a wide social circle. I tried to date and got rejected every time. I have never denied that I have my flaws and traumas but so do many and yet they are able to find mates. So while I concede that my point of view is heavily coloured by deep internal wounds, it can't be the only reason. It is clear dating is not what it was 15 years ago let alone half a century ago. Looks and status have never mattered more.

Most men grow up wanting hot girls that is true but dating is harsh for most men. The majority of learn our place in the hierarchy very quickly and adjust. There are literal international supermodels 15 minutes away from me in my city but I don't fantasize or even think about approaching them because I have zero chance. They date Formula One Drivers, CEO's and Premier League Soccer players.

@Emerald Good post. I think the most attractive men that women are competing for have so many options that woman do need the man to invest more in the beginning. That is the way it should work in theory but these men have so many options that women cannot help but put all their cards on the table to out compete the other women. Less attractive men should either drop out of the dating scene in this ruthless era or exercise extreme patience and discernment in identifying the very small pool of women who might see value in them, otherwise consistent rejection will chip away at your self esteem and trigger unhealthy resentment towards women. We should be teaching boys that there is a possibility you will not attract women or get dates, to kill the entitlement and expectation. The every man gets a wife just for existing and doing the bare minimum era has died and it's not coming back. We are returning to a more natural state with regards to mating patterns due to the freedom women now have. Older women are increasingly sleeping and dating much younger fuckboys or "Chads". So maybe the desire to settle down with the mature beta is not innate but something women were socialized to do and now they have the freedom and independence at least in the west to choose a man based on lust and desire for as long as they want. I think what you are saying about choosing mature beta may have been true in the previous paradigm but I think we are witnessing a shift. In he west mature, successful, financially independent women already get companionship from their girlfriends, they don't really need men anymore so the only men who get chose now are the ones who really hit the spot in therms of lust and desire. What do you think?

Majed definitely smoking some tainted weed.

What makes me seem depraved?

Not enough Chads for women to be interested. Being a spiritual, self actualizing man does not improve your attractiveness to women.

@MsNobody You can't just wake up one morning and to decide to have a girlfriend. If only it was that easy. Most men do not have options.