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We are talking about type of consciousness on this thread which is understanding of reality. Every spiritual awakening is some amount of sudden increasement of this type of consciousness, but it will get back within minutes or hours, but if the person try to embody it, then you will be stabely higher than an avarage person. Like measuring how much IQ somebody has give a concrete value, how awakened somebody is can be measured. Serious spirituality consider this type of consciousness as a concrete thing, as Leo said that he know he has truth because he is awakened. Playing unserious meditation non-duality, or philosofical mental games are not increasing this consciousness, but only people can know this who experienced some awakening or impoved his awarness with well directed self-improvement. If a person not motivated enough then practices that maybe worked for others, for him will never work and even block into some spiritual belief and he delude himself that he imporved himself. When an avarage person say that I am god and when a more awakened person say that I am god then there is difference. It is come from religion that only who don't have arrogance have higher understanding. Leo made his videos by trying to embody them in his life which can be seen on his contents. Somebody can be highly awakened, but maybe don't talk about god at all. The problem I see between Leo and forum members is that losing soul attachments is what increase awakenedness and not alien consciousness or human insanity. So somebody can be with as little psychological escape or be as awakened like Leo (he is highly awakened anyway), the person not talk about god or spiritual matters in the way Leo speak and the person don't talk about alien consciousness for example Claude Claudiu from Quora. I for example I felt deeple awakened to that every spiritual progress is neurotic, but Leo don't awakened to this because he had other attachments. Awakening is just this: Increasement of consciousness in the consciousness related to awakenings, but it doesn't related to any theme essentially. Any Spiritual Awakening increasing one type of consciousness.

@Ajax I also don't know too much about it, so you can also help me seeing my biases, but it is more beneficial to consider dimension to be more basic thing than science. Science is just a method, Leo talk a lot about how limited it is. So it seem to me that science is a tool to explain or create a desired change in 1D, 2D or 3D. Scientist say that's not even possible to be other method han science, but from what. Scientist say that we created science to know the truth, so it is truth, but they don't want to admit that biased people created science, so their limited truth is the truth of science. Why I say these things with difficult philosophical framing, because science want me to do it, but at the same time science say that philosophy is not serious, in other words scientists or you want me to beat science with scientific method while just you choosed science. There are other tools which called spiritual methods in summary (everything which is outside science is casted into here), and some of these help us. Spiritual methods can be important or true if they help you in whatever you want. You have to just acknowledge that it is possible that there are other methods than science, and then you are not blocked into science. A scientific person will give up his fanatic belief that only science is Truth by coming back to what the person want more deeply, because I am my beliefs and my will is what my beliefs are, and if I realise a deeper belief, then weaker, this why somebody have to understand (under-stand, under because I'm my deeper beliefs observing my more superficial beliefs) a low level belief and only then you can release it. For example if a fanatic with science have cancer realize that he will die, he try a spiritual thing, he tries to release his low level beliefs, fears, fustrations, which cause him cancer according to basic common sense, for example suppression of love can cause heart discease, but to realize what the basic common sense dictate (fustrations cause ilness) not the scientific belief (science don't proved ilnesses by fustration), he have to realize that he aways did science to improve his life, and not because it is the truth, but now his life is seriously risked, after he know this, he can just choose which is best for improving his life and lose his belief that he can do it only by being attached to science.

If Leo is already so badly criticized by the forum members, then at least give him a concrete value in this system. - ❗I collected these evaluations and datas from the posts of Claude Claudiu from Quora. https://www.quora.com/profile/Claude-Claudiu❗ The numbers show how awakened somebody is. (This person say he can evaluate people by his psychic senses. D means dimension. Claude Claudiu seem to be good to make an interview with @Leo Gura .) minerals, rocks and such things - 1D plants - 2D Heavy metal music - 3.0D-3.2D rock music (an example is rock music about God) insects then birds then mammals then sea mammals - 3.0D-3.5D some humans, London, New York, Berlin - 3.0D-3.5D avarage person - 3.6D some religion, science - 3D 90% of people, Nythiananda now - 3D Pop music is in the range - 3.3-4.0D 9-10% of people - 4D some scientist - 4.0D Some few rock ballads, almost all meditation music - 3.8-4.0D Classical music like Beethoven, Brahms, Haydn, Chopin, Tchaikovsky - 3.6-4.2D most religious music - 3.7-4.2D spiritual books extremely few like under 0.01% have any value at all - 3D-4D Prem Rawat, Reiki masters - 4.0D-4.1D TM meditation, mindfulness meditation - 4.0D buddhism, christianity, Judaism at maximum - 4.0D-4.3D Coldplay, some pieces of U2, many of ABBA, J. Michel Jarre, Adele - 4.0D-4.5D Neem Karoli Baba - 4.4D U.G. Krishnamurti - 4.5D Ram Dass - 4.6D Wagner - 4.5D-4.9D disciples of Jesus, songs of Engelbert Humperdinck, Herb Ernst and also Michael Oldfield, Dyer - 5.0D every 1000th person - 5D Carl Jung, Viktor Schauberger - 5D Mozart himself with his pieces, half of Bach's work, Ramana Maharshi, Dalai Lama, Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda, Sal Rachele's books - 5.5D-5.6D The Holy Science by Yukteswar Giri - 5.8D highest level somebody can reach only by meditation - 5.5D-5.9D every 10000+ person - 6D half of Bach's pieces, Vangelis' all pieces, The God Code by Gregg Braden - 6D one person in one million - 7D Jesus as a human, Buddha, Krishna, Mikao Usui, Nythiananda now Gregg Braden, David Wilcock, Nassim Haramein, Ramakrishna, Lao Tzu, Vivekananda, Yogananda, Sri Yukteswar Giri, Eckhart Tolle, Osho, Sadhguru, Soul Integration by Sal Rachele - 7D Sal Rachele, Inelia Benz - 8D Melcizedek Drunvalo, Peter Deunov, Jiddu Krishnamurti - 9D highest possible in this universe - 12D - Leo Gura - ?.?D My note: How forum members evaluate Leo Gura in this system? Or this system not good to post on this forum? More awakened a person is, more he can estimate how much awakened an other person. For example a person who is a bit more higher buddhist seem to be super enlightened from the perspective of an avarage person. A more awakened person can make lesser awakened music like rock, but a person can't make higher music than his level understanding of reality. For example a 3.6D soul can create a 3.2D heavy metal music piece, but can't make a 4.5D music. If Leo with his higher vibration (?.?D) make a music he would be unique because there are few composers and songs who are higher than pop music.

So if awakenings what forum members expericenced = awakenings that Leo experienced. Then (certain number) X awakening = AWAKE? So AWAKE = alien consciousness + other awakenings?

I want to reach higher understanding of reality. I should pursue working myself by trying to embody my awakenings I had before? For example I awakened a month ago that there is no spiritual progress - with this I can release lot of suppressing and escape, but how much should I practice this? Or I should pursue directly awakenings? The same awakenings can be repeated? Because I had only one big classical awakening, and that came from bhakti yoga praying. Because when I had some awakenings they lasted only for minutes or hours. So I assume I have to make them constant. Following many system make me confused because then I don't have clearity to gauge my progress.

Yes, because we have to include all into our consciousness. Include non-duality. Every belief is true. Not intellectuall including, but into our consciousness. Acknowledge non-duality.

Just put into yourself everybody's opinion in this thread, then expand more and more as consciousness. Just eat every post. Inculde all!

@MisterNobody Make this thread a meaningful thread and show us how Leo should behave in your opinion.

Suffering is when there is no enough life force which would feed you organs, in other words your chakras are blocked due to fears to feel or acknowledge things.

Yes, I think the best thing to do is to follow what Leo want. But it is difficult to follow it if there are no homework. If Leo say that "No amount of meditation is AWAKE." then what to do? Just watch one his video? There is a ladder to climb. Don't just say that you are the highest, but name the levels or teachers who are between you and the avarage level. Create a clear ladder.

It is too easy to use these concepts as ego-defence. Maybe there should be concepts in this forum which are not easily corrupted.

Ok you think that God is field and not a bubble, but how this change your actions in the next hour let's say?

If somebody use only one exercise and doing it all the time. For example, observing what is and not what isn't, which exercise release escapes. Then he will be good in spirituality? If there is no tradition then compared to what somebody can evaluate himself?

It can be your personality type. Maybe one of your sign in the astrological chart is scorpio.

Replying to your post. I did retreats which mean meditating and searching for insights for weeks all day long. But that wasn't awakening. But when I had a near death experience and I prayed to "god" with all my heart, suddenly I had the powerful the classical awakening, which mean that I understood spiritual concepts, understood reality. But this had effect on me only for hours. And what I learned is that more limiting belief you released more awake you are.

Until Leo don't take seriously just the possibility that everything can be measured spiritually, he just invent what is Awake mean for himself. It is like inventing what is body height. It is so magical that our body parts translated into the height of the body, for example ... cm? Start by sanity, that spirituality is just an other type of phycics. Leo say that he know from his awakenings that he is the highest on this forum is. I agree with this sentence. But that doesn't mean he reached enlightenment, 7D vibration out of 12D which possible in this universe. Leo is let's say 6D. Most guru is at 4D. If he can't embody the alien consciousness then it will just confuse him and decrease his vibration. The other thing is that he say he know intelectually what awakening mean but he don't know how to embody it. We should count how many limiting belief he released so far. Let's say that with every third video he released one. Then he released around 150 limiting belief. Then we can compare himself to us or to other teachers.

Most of us in this forum is the same personality type. I wonder why people don't see that we have similar faces. This energy of creative freedom, interest in consciousness, obliteration, we are the counterpart of satan, an outsider. This is the reason for the style of the forum, and not because all the members would be advanced.

I thinking about something and the next day Leo or others I followed create a video about that. This happening always. Leo aware this possibility? I experience a kind of practical solipsism.

All the low level souls persuaded this higher soul to follow these low level souls. But the low level souls did this out of delusion. We should go after Leo and not Leo after us.

Maybe what I say is partialistic, but any belief can become a block, unconsciousness. Leo said an example that somebody can say to himself that "I don't know, everything is realtive while I eat unhealthy food" . Or when somebody want to impress others by talking only in scientifical style, but he comform to this pattern and then he can't speak in other way. So doesn't matter if he awakened that there are infinite number of all-powerful god, he can turn it into a lower and lower belief, until it become lower belief than the other beliefs, and that we call comforted to that pattern, block.

You mean to be always in that meditative state of consciousness, like Ramana Maharshi? Sadhguru for example don't do self-inquiry all day long, but still he in enlightenment, if we agree he is enlightened.

Doing what should I do, and not what I desire.

Leo say "don't try to search for God in your skull, but God is all your visual field." I know it firstly seem that this quote isn't exactly what we are talking about. So yes, I agree with you that people should realize that "everything is within", pleasure is inside while people seek outside. But it is a plus awakening, it is a plus acknowledgement that the outside is also within me.

But what about that if I motivated by others I still see the oneness. Why should have only "inner motivation"?

What is material desire? When I did a retreat and meditated all day long, and I gave up material desires, I had the only desire to surrender and doing self-inquiry. But while doing this I realized that my heart center painfully blocked, then I realized that this is because I did the retreat because of escape from something in daily life, so doing retreat was a "material desire".