PolyPeter

yes, to humans

Ok. but are you open to the idea that I am actually saying the things from within personal experience? How could you ever know? I've told my story on dmt, but it does not seem to be enough for you. What would it take from me to say to you, for you to realize I am no bullshitting you? Have you ever done dmt? how enlightened do you know you are?

I think "Conscious Cosmic Void realization" is a word that might be suited for what I experienced at the peak. The Integration part of it involved understanding the following: - I am now in manual mode. I am alive as a human because I take every decision consciously. - I am aware that habits do not change from one day to the other, but a perspective can. - I feel 100% responsible of creating the life I desire, aware of the limitations of a human. I cannot turn off the sun and I am not responsible for what happens in the universe, but I can sleep 8 hours everyday and work towards my life goals. I know have a deep appreciation for existence in the relative domain more so even than before dying on dmt. I can see the infinite amount of intelligence required to give rise to the universes, it is nuts that we are here right now. Appreciate life!!!

I had strong awakening about two months ago I experienced a massive consciousness expansion after I took 100mg of changa, smokable dmt. this is about 30% to 40% N, N-DMT. At first it felt like "leaving my body behind the back of my head", then like floating up outside the earth, then leaving the solar system, and so on up the distinct density levels. From within this phsyical one, which is quite contracted, up until infinite expanded, void singularity, conscious. This distinct density levels of consciousness are like "floors" on an a buildiing, and consciousness can take the elevator and go from one to the other. Taking dmt feels, to me, like going from 1st floor to the highest floor, at top speed. While also being able to see glimpses of all the differnet floors in the way. a similar experience I found was this one , , withouth the entity interactions, although i kinda saw some "other" at one of the "floors" for a very short period of time, only an glimpse. I've already posted in detail about that trip. And I feel like it's been long enough for me to say that I've integrated the learnings. Now more than ever I know what the hell this is all about. We are in one of many dreams. We are God as humans. We humans can dream at night, and nobody is telling us to do it, we just do it. God creates entire universes by just being God. Imagine being able to Imagine anything. I think there would not be a single thing that you wouldn't imagine. What's stopping God from creating? The only way of God creating an illusion of being stopped from creating, is filtering itself down. Forgetting itself. Imagining distinctions. Believing that it is not God. It gets lost within its own creation to give Life to the infinite universes.

Are you making a distinction between existence and consciousness? can you elaborate?

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You're right that language creates equivalences that may not map perfectly to actuality. Fair point. but about this: "Appearances just exist without support from anything else" Who's aware of the appearances? You say "appearances have the capacity to be aware of themselves". But awareness itself is what I'm calling Consciousness. If there's no watcher and no screen, just appearances... what makes them appearances at all? An appearance requires appearing TO something. Otherwise it's just... what? Undefined existence? You can't have multiplicity without unity. Yes, appearances are plural and changing. But the fact that you can recognize them as distinct means there's something unifying them in awareness. Otherwise how would you know appearance A is different from appearance B? The Mona Lisa analogy: Is it one thing or many brushstrokes? Both. Depends on your frame of reference. From one level: many brushstrokes (relative/appearances) From another: one painting (absolute/consciousness) You're saying "it's all just brushstrokes." I'm saying the canvas is consciousness, and yes, the brushstrokes are real too. Not either/or. Both/and. Appearances exist. And there's an aware substrate in which they appear. Otherwise you're left with "multiplicity with no principle of unity", which is just another belief, isn't it?

Ok, but then what? Let's analize the case in which this belief happens to "be false" (which i disagree bc it's not belief in the first place) the belief: "Consciousness is the only thing that actually exists, everything else exists within it" If this belief is not true then: - consciousness is not the only thing that actually exists - there is something outside of it, that exists too. - but then, for it to exist you must be able to verify its existence. - the only tool for verifying that something exists is consciousness. - crap, now you have to use consciousness to verify if that thing ACTUALLY exists. if S happens to exists, and you verified it, then you became conscious of its existence, then it was all the time something within consciousness reach. if S never gets verifed, then you are just believing something might exist.

just that in this case, this are the exact lego brick

can you elaborate?

In the relative domain, I still make functional assumptions, I assume the laws of physics will hold, I assume my body needs food, I assume language can communicate meaning. But I hold these lightly. They're tools for navigating this particular dream, not beliefs I'm emotionally attached to. Like a car, you use it to go somewhere, not as a part of your identity.

I consider Truth to be true. Truth is Consciousness. Consciousness is God. God is Absolute Infinity. Absolute Infinity, is different from Infinity alone, because It contains all possible infinites within it. Absolute Infinite is the source from which all other possible infinite universes come from. In a way, that this resonates with the Everet multiverse theory, but with a catch, in this case, all this infinite universes are connected to each other by the imagination of the Absolute Infinity, meaning, the distinction between this lower level infinities, is made by God. There is only one Truth. Out of which, all sorts of flavors of "trueness" get imagined. I think this answer the question of what I consider to be true All possible states of Consciousness are not absolutley true, they are true relative to the density levels of that particular consciousness localization. Dogs take their context as their source of true, and their instincts lead the way. A human might expand this source of true into a more abstract and conceptual domain. I think that there is an interesting distinction that a human can make after awakening, which is, Absolute Truth vs Relative Truth. Absolute Truth = God = Absolute Infinity Relative truth = realm of appearances = feeling great = feeling sad = thinking about food = thinking about rent = going for a run = sleeping = breathing Absolute means ever present Relative means at some point it ends

The words experience and existence are pointing to the same, so I don't really understand what you mean when you say one is more direct and tangible than the other. You exist, that's the main reason you can type all your ideas on a computer to begin with. You are experiencing being a human who is thinking that there is a way out of Consciousness as the fundamental and ultimate reality. Thanks for taking the time to explain and share your thinking process, interesting!, I have many more things to say, but I'll take the time to think them through, and then reply.

The ultimate remembering of what you are Consciousness plays the game of forgetting itself as God dreaming reality, getting lost within its own creations

Consciousness IS existence the question of wether one is inside of the other makes no sense if they are identical. it would be similar to asking "Is 2 + 2 strictly greater or strictly lower than 4?" we know that 2+2 is 4, so the answer to the question is: neither, it is the same number. Where it gets difficult here, I think, it is when there is no clear conceptual distinction between human metacognition or human consciousness and actual Consciousness. Saying that Existence is identical to human consciousness is silly Saying that Existence is identical to Consciousness itself, is absolutley true.

Everything else is the only thing that exists in the relative domain. Consciousness is the Universe itself, everything else is imagined.

Remeber that mhe mind has many tricks to fool itself! I think not that many people recognize the untrue nature of their beliefs, primarily because they are useful to them. Recognizing that the beliefs you hold as true, are not true, leaves you nowhere. Can you stand being nowhere?

I understand the point you made, but when you use the word think, do you mean thinking in the rational way? because that's what I usually refere when I say "thinking" Believing is not a rational process, instead of "we think we know" I would say something like "we imagine we know" or "we create an unreal story and take it as true"

Indeed

Consciousness is One. Any field that exists is imagined by Consciousness. I would love to discuss this deeper, I'll start another topic True! very amazing

Great question, difficult to answer simply. I think that considering a belief as something separate is a mistake. Maybe, as stated in the early chapters of the metarationality book, we could think in terms of "The believing" instead of a "Belief" alone. And in this case, believing is something humans do, they believe what they don't know, because of the previously mentioned discomfort. If your arm starts to itch, with the other one you go and scratch it if you decide to do so. In a similar manner, if a human encounters the unknown, or at least their unknown, many things can happen, but usually when a narrative goes inside the mind of that human, and the narrative has holes, like, explanatory holes, then the human could start believing in things that are there to patch this holes. Let's take very religious people. The have it complicated here, because they truly believe in God. And no matter what goes on in life, everything is an expression of God, which is absolutley true, but in this case, they are choosing to believe in something that is true, not because they are silly, but because swimming in the sea of their own believing feels much better for the optimization machine that we call our brain. There are no beliefs out there alone in the universe, rather, people creating stories to explain things they don't know. People are afraid of saying "I don't know", which is understandable since the egomind will always try to stick to a worldview where it feels safe.

Toxic gurus are the best at spiritual bypassing It's been hard for me to find someone talking about this matters, other than Leo, that I can actually listen to for hours on end. Do you know someone online I could listen to talking about this topic of belief systems? Btw I'm starting to read this work https://metarationality.com/, and it its very good, is something Leo reccomended not long ago

"Sorry sir, I do not want to go insane tonight!" This is the kind of replies I get when I ask this questions

Yes, it is even weird to say that you had any real certainty from the act of believing in the first place, and I mean, why would you choose to believe in something if you were sure it is a certain way? Beliefs will arise when a certain logical narrative cannot fulfill the explanation a human is looking for Becuase it is easier to believe in something that you are not certain, rather than to just say "I don't know" The comfort of believing is what destroys the curiosity towards the unknown

Just like when you observe any particular thing for a long period of time No appearance is ultimatley True The only thing (not a thing) that always remains the same is Consciousness