PolyPeter

Consciousness is One. Any field that exists is imagined by Consciousness. I would love to discuss this deeper, I'll start another topic True! very amazing

Great question, difficult to answer simply. I think that considering a belief as something separate is a mistake. Maybe, as stated in the early chapters of the metarationality book, we could think in terms of "The believing" instead of a "Belief" alone. And in this case, believing is something humans do, they believe what they don't know, because of the previously mentioned discomfort. If your arm starts to itch, with the other one you go and scratch it if you decide to do so. In a similar manner, if a human encounters the unknown, or at least their unknown, many things can happen, but usually when a narrative goes inside the mind of that human, and the narrative has holes, like, explanatory holes, then the human could start believing in things that are there to patch this holes. Let's take very religious people. The have it complicated here, because they truly believe in God. And no matter what goes on in life, everything is an expression of God, which is absolutley true, but in this case, they are choosing to believe in something that is true, not because they are silly, but because swimming in the sea of their own believing feels much better for the optimization machine that we call our brain. There are no beliefs out there alone in the universe, rather, people creating stories to explain things they don't know. People are afraid of saying "I don't know", which is understandable since the egomind will always try to stick to a worldview where it feels safe.

Toxic gurus are the best at spiritual bypassing It's been hard for me to find someone talking about this matters, other than Leo, that I can actually listen to for hours on end. Do you know someone online I could listen to talking about this topic of belief systems? Btw I'm starting to read this work https://metarationality.com/, and it its very good, is something Leo reccomended not long ago

"Sorry sir, I do not want to go insane tonight!" This is the kind of replies I get when I ask this questions

Yes, it is even weird to say that you had any real certainty from the act of believing in the first place, and I mean, why would you choose to believe in something if you were sure it is a certain way? Beliefs will arise when a certain logical narrative cannot fulfill the explanation a human is looking for Becuase it is easier to believe in something that you are not certain, rather than to just say "I don't know" The comfort of believing is what destroys the curiosity towards the unknown

Just like when you observe any particular thing for a long period of time No appearance is ultimatley True The only thing (not a thing) that always remains the same is Consciousness

Yes. Dog's do not have the need to understand because their biology does not allow them. On the other hand, humans can go insane out of believing or imagining things that exist only within the conceptual domain.

Yes inded, I can see that. Beliefs can be useful for survival or practical things. But that does not mean Beliefs should not be modified over time or that the act of believing itself should not be observed. I mean, a dog walks around, takes a nap, barks at a bird, sleeps. A dog acts instinctivley, influenced by the context, and the biological needs, but they never go around believing if it's gonna rain or be sunny. When you say this Why nearly and not 100%?

What about a possible us intervention soon? trump tweeted something about "help is on its way"

Yeah, there's a real risk Iran just swaps one authoritarianism for another. History shows that pattern. But: Even if that happens, it's still an upgrade when women can walk outside without being arrested for their hair. When you can criticize the government without being executed. When LGBTQ people aren't hanged. Imperfect freedom > theocratic brutality. And dismissing Iranian women burning pictures of the Ayatollah as 'TV spectacle for the West' misses the point. That's a human being risking her life to reject oppression. Whether or not the system that replaces the regime is perfect doesn't erase the legitimacy of her resistance. You're right that power structures persist. But South Korea went from military dictatorship to functional democracy. Eastern Europe post-USSR isn't perfect but it's freer than under communism. Panama post-Noriega is more prosperous and free, please check this. I'm not naive about what might come next. But I'm also not going to be so cynical that I can't recognize people fighting for their life as meaningful, regardless of geopolitical outcomes.

Ok, point taken, I will consider this and contemplate deeper. I'm interested in what you have to say about the following: How do you distinguish what's good or bad in the relative domain, for humanity as a whole? Do you think that killing each other is just part of humanity and that we will never get past it? Are you not just spiritual bypassing the entire topic by saying "Be mindful of projecting what you feel is “basic dignity”."?

Spiral Dynamics is useful as a map, but let's not reduce 45 years of theocratic brutality to "BLUE can't compete with ORANGE." Yes, Iran's regime operates heavily from blue (absolutist religious law, strict hierarchy, divine authority). And yes, orange values (individual achievement, merit, freedom, capitalism) are dominant globally and create pressure. But here's what that framing misses: The Iranian people aren't just rejecting blue because orange is dominant externally. They're rejecting it because blue taken to authoritarian extremes is genuinely oppressive regardless of what stage dominates globally. Women burning burkas aren't thinking "hmm, the world is orange now so this blue system is outdated." Maybe, just maybe, they're thinking something like "I'm a human being and I'm done being treated like property." That's not stage-specific, that's recognizing basic dignity, which can emerge at multiple stages when oppression becomes unbearable. The real dynamic: Iran's regime isn't just blue. it's blue wielded as a tool for red power (authoritarian control, might-makes-right, brutal suppression) The protests show green values emerging (equality, human rights, anti-hierarchy) and orange values But the core driver is simpler: people want to not be murdered for showing their hair Spiral Dynamics helps explain how systems operate, but it can also be used to over-intellectualize and distance ourselves from the visceral human reality: this regime tortures, rapes, and kills its own citizens for dissent. So yeah, blue Shia Islamic governance is collapsing. Not just because orange dominates globally, but because when you execute teenage girls for protesting, eventually people say enough.

Hey, get some psychological help.

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Hi everyone, Yesterday I had the strongest trip of my life. I’m still stunned, processing, integrating. Context: Three years ago I grew my own mushrooms and ate 4 dry grams alone. Six hours of brutal ego death fighting pointy “death mandalas” curled up on the floor under a blanket. I learned what real panic feels like. Forty minutes before the big one I took a 25 mg test hit of changa. Smooth, euphoric, felt like the best weed + clean MDMA ever. Got fully comfortable with the pipe and the feeling. Classic trap. The Fatal Hit: 100 mg in one deep, clean toke. Held 15 seconds. Before I even exhaled I knew I was gone forever. Laid flat on my back. Instant Blindness: Ten seconds after exhaling the same death mandalas from the mushroom trip detonated a thousand times stronger. Ceremonial, aggressive, blinding. No time to calm down. Pure hardcore panic. Fighting for Survival: For what felt like eternity I fought the visuals. Discovered that staying perfectly still made them unbearable, but if I followed strange intuitive body movements (rolling, sitting up, face-down, feet planted on the bed) the mandalas morphed into chrome-neon metallic square hyperspace structures I had never seen before. Kept saying out loud “oh my god… wtf… omg…”. Dying Like My Father: Terror peaked. Suddenly I felt I was dying the same horrible death as my dad eight years ago (alcohol addiction, agony). Deep existential grief and guilt crushed me. Cried inside “I didn’t sign up for this.” The Click of Surrender: Something shifted. The more I let go, the faster the personal self dissolved. Panic melted. Pure consciousness began expanding, the human body was no longer the center of concern. Rocket Launch: Blasted vertically out of my body and house through a tunnel of consciousness. Left Earth’s atmosphere. Brief glimpse of two colossal fractal guardians floating in hyperspace (only fragments of their mandalic structure remain in memory). Saw Earth shrink, then the Moon, then nothing. The Image of the Universe Shrinks to Nothing: Faster than any thought, the entire cosmos I was watching collapsed into a tiny point and simply vanished. One split (human) second of pure, absolute nothingness. No galaxies, no light, no container, no reference. The Absolute Last Void: That nothingness was it. No time. No space. No witness. Just the final, sourceless silence behind everything. The strongest, most undeniable sense of reality I have ever known. And there I was, conscious of it. Completely impossible. Details: Total clock time from exhale to first coherent human thought: 5 minutes and 30 seconds. I used a propper scale to measure the amount of changa precisely. This is absolutely nuts. I know I need to keep exploring this territory, I feel there's more to it, but first I have to fully integrate this hell of a trip. I never expercienced so much Awe, terror, panic, beauty, insanity, and this MASSIVE cosmic view. this experience showed me the power of the universe, how small earth is, the scope of what is possible, the infinite imagination required to give rise to all this, wtf, how is this even possible that I can even write about this !!!! I made a drawing of what I could do with the memories of the mandalas, as they got obliterated by the void, it's not so pro, but I'll share it.

@Leo Gura Got it! no massive dose for complete newbies. There is always more time to try later on (after integration). hahaha, the skiing analogy cracked me up

@Leo Gura Hmm, thats true, I shouldn't take my experience as a measure device for someone else's trips. My friend told me that he wants to go where I went, in a way that led me to think that he thinks this is somehow exciting and fun. This is not for fun and I don't do it for fun. Later today I will try to explain this to him and talk about that the dose should be low first. Thanks for the advice!

Roger that! makes all sense actually. Now, for a "low" dose, what would you reccomend? This changa batch is very strong. For reference, the same dose, with a different technique, produces entirely different results. 25mg, in one hit, would get me really stoned and "sober". One single hit of the 100mg dose will obliterate anyone, but this same dose, in three smaller hits, takes you to DMT-Land, fractals and maybe entities, which is not The Void. I'm thinking that a good choice would be 50mg, in two hits. Or even this might be too much?

@Leo Gura Exactly like that. Eyes wide open even. I’m on day 2 post trip and the memory is still burning. Every detail is crystal clear. The shift is permanent. I wake up and the first thing that hits me is the memory of getting closer and closer to The Void, and then being it, and coming back into my body. and during the day, multiple times, I have flashbacks of the entire event. Normal life feels like a lucid dream I’m choosing to keep dreaming. I feel I've entered "manual" mode. I felt a literal cosmic responsibility: “I have to tell everyone.” but then, another idea hit: no, this is not for everyone. Most people are not ready and many never will be. Some truths are too corrosive for ordinary mind. This is why I thought that sharing the story here would be cool. Questions: This weekend a close friend is going to smoke the exact same 100 mg single hit. I’ll be tripsitting. He says he “wants to go where I went” and intellectually accepts that consciousness is all there is… but I can already smell the ego armor from here. He has no idea how brutal the extraction is when you get dragged instead of walking gently. Any tips for sitting someone who thinks he’s ready for the Last Void but probably isn’t? I’m planning zero talking, dark room, good playlist on low volume just in case, and a blanket ready for the fetal position phase.

@Ramasta9 Thanks!! yes, good advice, will rest.

@Hojo cannot be unseen

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@Hojo Wawww nice image, reminds me of an lsd trip

@Leo Gura I'm starting to understand what "Awakenings orders of magnitude bigger than the previous ones" actually mean