theleelajoker

What would be the best time and place to do that? 🤩

Smoked it for a veeeerry long time. One thing that helped was/is the question I got asked: "Is this actually good for you?" Honestly observing what happens when I smoke, what I do, or don't do, how I feel, mood, activity etc...the answer was very obvious. And over time, I started to treat myself "better", which means in this case not smoking for "bad" reasons like fleeing reality. AND big agreement re @Wilhelm44and shrooms, healing, micro dosing. almost 1:1 same for me.

... but now, I forgot.

I am out with friends and I listen to what's going on in their lives. One of them tells me about his conflict with his colleague, a bitter series of disappointment, arguments and fights. He's clearly shaken by it. There's another friend, she talks about mental health and that's she's grateful to currently be at least "halfway stable." Her voice is quite shaky and very quiet while she's says that. As if she doesn't believe in that stability herself. They both seem to suffer tremendously, and even when I doing fine now, I know how that feels like. I listen to them and I can't get it out of my head: this is all consciousness, or God or whatever name you give it, doing it to itself. The more aware I become, the more it seems to me that this whole reality is just a show, a drama for entertainment purposes. Problems created to have a task in dealing with them. It could all be changed in an instant. Every misunderstanding, every conflict, every suffering. From direct experiences, I know I'm talking to the person - or persona - in front of me, but I also know that I am communicating with something transpersonal. I know it's capable of immediately role-switching. I have experienced it many times. All the conflicts, all the problems could be solved instantaneously. So why stay in it? Is this really how "it" wants to spent eternity? Is that the best it CAN do? Is it what it really WANTS to do? Personally, I feel more and more tired from these dramas. From time to time, I see the creation of drama, the process of unfolding of the storyline in a person's eyes. He or she is talking, and I am aware that the person is just making shit up to create some story arc. And I see the person looking back at me, and I know that he/she knows that I know. Often, I get caught up in my own stories, my own role, my own character. But the more I have these moments of "knowing", the more I wonder about it. And it's very strange because I still feel empathy. I know it BS, I know it's fabricated, and I still care. I see the people in front of me and I think: They are having a really unpleasant experience. And I wonder: does it really have to be this way? Sometimes, I love watching a series. The series starts great, I get interested in the story, in the characters. Then a little drama gets added and I'm engaged. For a while. And then I lose interest. Because almost inevitably, the same thing happens over and over again: to keep tensions high, the drama must steadily increase. You know what I mean. "Woman is pregnant from lover who accidentally killed her husband without knowing while step-brother from the past appears and starts to uncover an evil plan to destroy the world while having an affair with the GF of his best friend...." ....yeah this kind of drama. So is this really how it wants to experience life? Trump, and war, and rape, and famine, and hunger. And if there is no existential crisis going on, ok no problem we make our own mental problems. Depression, burn out, ADHD, suicide, etc etc. And you can't tell me that "we need to raise consciousness". It could be done, all drama ceased, right now, instantly. It's a choice. I recently had one of this role switching moments with a friend. I asked him about reality, and he replied, quite unexpectedly, "you will always wake up in some story" When a series boils over with drama, I just stop watching it. But where else to go with my awareness than the reality around me? What is it that "it " is actually distracting itself from? And if it wants to distract itself, is this really the way it wants to go about it? THIS IS REALLY IT? So what is left to do? I focus on myself and my (non) reactions as best as I can. And keep wondering: when is enough drama really enough?

Ehm....well, how do I put this...has anyone here actually asked real-life women about this? Or are we playing the armchair philosophy game and jerk off to our intellectual outpourings so that we so can feel smart about ourselves? In this case let me know and I get my tissues! Also, then my hypothesis is: women have less sex because men rather discuss stuff in an online forum and do BIG IMPORTANT META ANALYSIS instead of going out and actually talking to women.

Ok, so what?

So what is it? No difference? Only difference? I would say - HUGE difference. Being alive in this form, or not being alive in this form is as different as it can get.

Oki Doki

Hm, that's just playing with concepts, isn't it? If not, what am I missing? You point to being like wu-wei action? Actions that happens so easily and automatically that it doesn't require thinking or efforts?

Exactly. And becoming aware and actually executing on insights are two very different things.

@LastThursday I had this funny moment two years ago. I had an Ayahuasca ceremony and in the evening I was lying in my bed. I was not in the peak high but almost sober again, just the afterglow. I felt very much aware, calm state, my thoughts very clear, orderly and sharp. I was pondering this and that, some insights about me and the world that came to me during the last 24h. And then it suddenly hit me. "I have been here before". I don't mean in sense of reincarnation, but in a sense of "I had all this clarity, and insights, and epiphanies before." Most of it I wasn't new, I just forgot. Some insights I lived, others I didn't. No matter how clear they seemed to me in whatever state. And now, when I see myself or others proclaim big insights, I typically treat it with a certain scepticism until I see the action in real life.

I don't really follow. Who's arrogant, and it can't itself doing what? How you know it's Infinite intelligence at work?

Since you're so invested in therapists, and since you sent to know then all - who's the funniest one of all? Not that I would be interested in talking to these enemies of yours..no, no. Simply asking for a friend...

Resonates, especially the bold part. I get the idea of life purpose. Has its charme, but also its limitations. And sometimes it seems to me that the whole chaos, drama and evil in the world is simply the universes attempt to make life meaningful. Let's assume you're "it" and let's assume you're invincible, you can never die, you cannot not exist...so how can you make it interesting for you? To take some pressure of the whole thing re OP: a japanese women once talked about ikigai, and she said: "in the West, you take it so serious, you make it so big, this purpose thing. In Japan, we sometimes just use the model in a way of "what gets me out of bed TODAY?

1) Generalizations about "how life works" or "how one should do XYZ" based on the sample size of one 2) The sometimes compulsive behavior to explain the world to others instead of being interested and engaging in an exchange of subjective experiences 3) The need to put "teachers" or "gurus" or "coaches" on a pedestal instead of thinking for yourself 4) The lack of good parmesan in the buffet section

@Someone here Yeah, I forgot what it wanted to write. Did that not become obvious by the statement "I forgot" ?

Second time you write short statements and posts that lack depth, reasons and context in this thread. Zero value added for me.

Yes, fully agree. My impression that abstraction is often mistaken as experiential. First comes the experience, then the concept. Not vice versa.

Hm don't see it as trolling. In my POV, there is the intention to create value. If my hypothesis is right - > others can learn. If my hypothesis is wrong -> I can learn. It's just my way of doing that.

Because.....?

That theses "big life changing insights" are close to useless in real life application. Even if they were, they are not transferable to other people's real life behavior. Go ask any AI for the most important insights in life or any domain. Chances are, most people will agree to most of those insights presented. It's no rocket science to come up with an order of some clever sounding words, aka "insight". I can buy a new age calendar for that. Many posts here suggest that having this or that insight it what it's about. I wholeheartedly disagree. Yeah mind calms down for a while, but that's it. Finding, becoming aware, announcing, reading about big insights doesn't change much, if at all. So from time to time, I'm making fun about this kind of stuff.

+1 And capitalism as it is often expressed. This idea that it's desirable or even beneficial for individuals or society that a single person accumulates a huge, basically unlimited amount of wealth.

I see it like that: deep down you KNOW, but for some reason something or someone decided not to be aware of it. It's like misplacing my pen. My eyes saw where I put it, my hands moved it to this spot, there is a memory I COULD access- but the conscious part of me says "where the hell did I put it?" 3h later, taking a shower, a 💡 - NOW I REMEMBER!

Yeah cudos for starting the discussion with a hypothesis and then integrating new information so quickly

Yeah I realized that later. Even if one had this experience, it's easy to forget. I had a relatively long time without such an interaction, and when it happened I was thinking: "shit, I forgot what it feels like" @OP: in my experience, the mind is very good at making up stories to justify some things or to find reasons why one should or should not do XYZ. It's typically just fear of rejection behind it.