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Sorry, I don't get your post. Don't take it personally but this sounds like just an intellectual game lol. How do you make a difference between the "real" and the "false" self? You can't tell the difference, but at the same time you finally figured it out? I think every time we think we "figured it out" it's just a temporary state where the mind program feels like "oh I made it, that is the equation how life works, that is the solution" . It its job to solve, and to compute a final result. But if reality is infinite change, how can one solution (insight) ever be final?

@Ishanga @Aaronp Maybe it is like you say and there is a meeting of god which does transform / gives some form of knowledge. As for now, I don't count myself as one of those people. Also, I noticed the irony in my post: When saying "nobody knows shit" I am the one knowing that nobody knows, right?

My 5 cents: No matter what solution/concept we discuss here re reincarnation - it's still a story. Some people apparently said some things about reality, and suddenly it's a thing. Green lamas are gonna rule the universe. I found an old scroll where Jesus talks about it, Sadhguru was there too they both agree and [enter random Name here] believes the same So why do we even assume there is a "constant thing" like reincarnation that defines reality? If reality is one thing, then it's constant change, isn't it? So maybe reincarnation was a thing once, no it is no more? Maybe it will come back like the 80s Maybe everyone lives out his/her own reality: You get reincarnated, I don't. Coin flip, nothing else. Why do we assume that there are fixed rules governing all of us the same? Yeah, humans are similar, we all breath, eat, sleep etc but we all also create our own subjective reality and if we are one thing, then we are different, right? So many people talk like they know sth. I say nobody knows anything. I say nobody knows shit.

So I don't know - but my opinion: It's always there I just don't notice it The filter of "what becomes conscious" during meditation becomes just a) different b) more granular

Sounds like a hell of a trip. Thx for adding your personal experience. Much easier to digest your first post with more and different information. More entertaining, too : ) When I was a teenager, I smoked bong with a friend. Some strong weed. Was too much for our young minds. No portal experience but for many hours, we ended up in an subjective experience where everything and everyone was in cartoon style. We were very afraid that it will never go away. Late in the night, we were "normal" again. We threw away the weed and swore to never smoke weed again. A few months later, we smoked again But never again we had an experience remotely close to this... Re the portal - anything further you do with it? You try to access it in meditation, setting some intention or similar? Just curious.

OK, I get the concept. You have any practical experiences re this portal? Seeing it, even using it, being in touch with it during ego death? I remember a story of a friend many years ago. He had taken a lot of LSD during a festival and he told me about him seeing a portal. He said he felt like being giving a choice to either leave through this portal or to stay in this dimension. Personally, I never experienced anything similar.

Thx for clarifications. The story with the guru is confusing me. What you are saying is: (?) We look straightforward and we do see subjective 3-D reality If I could look "backwards", there would be a portal into a different dimension So this pic from another thread is symbolizing what you are saying? (love the pic, btw)

I don't get your post

Funny synchronicity. I wanted to open a thread on tolerance and boom - I find this Re tolerance, I had a quite interesting and surprising experience. After some months since my last big trip and 1x did an Ayahuasca ceremony + I took 1x Shrooms two weeks later. Contrary to my expectation, my experience was super "weak" in both cases. Of course I was feeling sth both times, but no visuals, no visions, I was still very grounded in this reality in both cases. I know what super high feels from many trips before and I was far away from this. I know the shrooms and they were much stronger with approx same dose last time In case of the shrooms - OK I can understand that there is tolerance only two weeks after ayahuasca In case of the ayahuasca - other people were tripping a lot so the stuff was strong. I already had a large dose + I drank a second time with little effect. Anyone has the experience of becoming more tolerant in general to psychedelics? Or any other ideas, similar experiences?

I view it like that: Both - western science - mainly looking at outside material world - and eastern philosophies - mainly looking at the internal world - complement each other well. Two sides of the same coin. Nothing better or worse. Material world is required for primarily for biological survival. But you can be incredibly rich, plenty of food and shelter etc. and still unhappy. At the same time, all spiritual stuff becomes quite meaningless if you and your family are starving and you fight for survival each day. Stick to only one way of seeing / doing things and you are likely to suffer.

@Ishanga I don't fully understand "residual action / residual result". Can you please give a concrete example? So there is action X, then these are the 4 areas of actions and this is the residual action etc.

I agree that sex is one way to connect. But depends in my experience very much on the how. What are my feelings towards this girl? What is our connection? How much is she in touch with herself? How much able to let go? Am I able to be gentle? Am I emotionally open? What's my current level of aggression? Etc. etc. In my experience, you have sex with a girl and not really connect too much with her energy but stay in my masculine traits. One instance where I really connected with female energy was by doing the opposite - excluding all sexual intentions. I once visited a festival and really connected with my neighbors around my camping spot. Among my neighbors, two very nice and funny girls that were also quite attractive. At the time, I was very happy with my GF (still am) and had no intentions re any hook-up or sex. And I told them directly "hey, I have a GF, very happy with her, non-open relationship but I really like you, you want to hang out during the festival? They agreed and the following things happened: 99% of the sexual tensions you (can) have between men and women disappeared. With clear intentions, interactions and communication was super easy and comfortable We had an incredible fun weekend. We were hanging around a lot and I could really dig into female energy. Being with them as you would be as brother and sister nobody was trying to make an impression to appear cool, attractive or similar. Everybody was very authentic I LEARNED A LOT about girls and their energy. What they talked about, how they talked, how they expressed themselves, behavior towards other women and men, etc. etc. I really learned to feel and then admire the feminine. I took mushrooms at one day, and the following hours I was just an observer in their interactions. Female energy at display - dancing, talking, laughing, caring. Desires, strengths and intention. Of course, also the moody side. The insecurities, the indecision - can't have the one without the other : ) Simply watching and being with them was extremely enriching my personal experience back then. At the same time, I benefit from it today still when interacting with other women (GF, sister, friends, etc.)

OK. Just because it does not resonate with me as it does with you does not mean it's not there. And as I experiences with the Shaktipat, there is clearly something energetic with Jan that goes beyond the visible. Haha you're nice calling it that. I ranted a bit I think OK I am doing this test right now : ) I think it's important to add body stuff like the endocannabinoid levels (not familiar with it yet) because my experience is when answering questionnaires we can often create stories that are not so much what is but what we want to see. Makes sense. Another concept, another fragmentation, another mental abstraction - but it makes sense

But there is no you. How can it be "your" decision?

Not a single word in my post is directed towards what you should or should not do. I simply made my experience transparent.

I asked James123 for clarifications. He replied. My goal was to understand what he means. My impression was that I know understand his perspective. I am not swallowing anything. Nor do I see what he expresses as shit. I do my best to understand. Then I integrate what I resonates. I exclude what does not resonate. I stay curious if I don't understand. Language is limited. We do the best we can with what we have.

OK. Thx.

I don't know the answer to this question. I could say "nothing" but that's just a mental concept I cannot really identify with. Genuinely asking: Can you give concrete examples and situations on how to do that?

Haha ok I think we might get lost in concepts now Let's see So being where you already are - that means for you that you have no resistance to where you are, with what is? Or how you describe it? Yeah, so "I" am an illusion. But it's a persistent one so I have to deal with the illusion at least to some degree (eat, sleep, emotional needs etc)

@Carl-Richard Well I have to admit I did not really think about it much on a everyday level. Thx for making me reflect on it. There is definitely sth re the transfer of states. Contact high - yes, I experienced it to some degree on festivals or even in clubs with friends that consumed psychedelics. I just never experiences it that strong as with Shakipat. In short - I agree. Breakingthewall often talks about "openness" and I simply like that term. I did and still do integrate this more and more in my life. Indeed I was much more skeptical about - let's call it non-material phenomena - than I am now. But at the same time, I was open enough for Shaktipat to experience a profound effect on me even back then. I don't sense this state as you do. Body language, eyes, tone, breath does not give me this impression. I do see value in his points, though. Yeah..I just don't know. He just does not seem genuinely happy to me. He said in the other video that he does not want to be a teacher and in his seminar he gave that that exact impression of "I DO NOT WANT TO BE HERE, I DO NOT CARE, I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU AND IN GENERAL, THIS HERE SUCKS". Of course, that is my impression but similar impressions were also shared by other participants. On the one hand - yes. I understand and agree. On the other hand - then what is this big fuss about enlightenment about? As a result of my participating in this forum, I personally really start to dislike this cult about enlightenment as a state. So I am enlightened, but I am not warm re other people, I live in an unhealthy way, I still get sick, I am insecure, I still have to deal with everyday problems like everybody else - so what is this all about? So I can feel "bliss"? Honestly, I haven't met anyone that I would consider someone being in constant bliss. The most developed people I met were meditation teachers. But they did not seem to be "in constant bliss" - simply calm, empathic, healthy lifestyle and in peace with themselves, their role and their actions. Is this bliss? For me, it's not. Bliss for me is a little bit more. It's not only accepting but embracing ("loving") everything that is. A inner state that is there almost completely independent of matter what happens in the external world (I say almost, because death of loved ones or severe physical injury to me definitely would impact me even in this moments). I remember momentary states and periods in which I consider myself in "bliss". For example: No 1 - during and after long meditation retreats (10 days). No. 2: Psychedelics, e.g. Peyote and Ayahuasca, sometimes even weed. No 3. Falling in love with my partner. I remember these states, and I believe I can sense them quite well in other people, too. And I believe can sense when other people are not in this state as well. Haven't met anyone (yet) that has been in this "enlightened, blissfull state" over an extended period of time no matter what they say... And about enlightenment... Yes, 100 people in this forum probably use 101 different concepts of enlightenment, and yes there a phases and stages, and so on and so on. For me, 90% of these discussions amount to nothing but more mental masturbation. I heard, seen and read it enlightenment bla bla so many times from so many people while at the same time sensing their arrogance, their insecurities and their inauthenticity. Lot's of cheap talk about some mystic state, some strange ideas and propaganda from self-proclaimed gurus and their sheep-like followers who regurgitate the same meaningless phrases and concepts. Meaningless, because talk alone is cheap. What I propose instead? Let's not talk about "enlightenment", let's talk about action. Let's not talk about some abstract conceptualized states, but concrete, subjective experiences and in particular actions. I like the quote "Strictly speaking, there are no enlightenment people, there is only enlightened action" (from Inner Worlds, outer Worlds I believe). Let's assume you are "enlightened" - so then what? Life will put you - if you want it or not - into situations where you have to make decisions and take actions. Let's say "enlightened action" is actions aligned with the Dao / Dharma whatever that may be in this situation. You take "enlightened" actions, you get into this state while executing this action. You don't take "enlightened" actions - you loose that state. But the "state" IS the action, the action is the state. I don't think there is a state independent from your actions. You don't reach enlightenment and then "puff" you stay in this. No - instead your actions determine your state and not vice versa BS like "I am enlightened, I understand, I am in bliss, etc etc." and then you simply remain in this. So what matters in the end is what you do and nothing else. Sorry, but fuck your alleged enlightenment, your alleged state or your alleged bliss. I can't see that, I can't relate to that, only things that matters to me is what you do and how you do it. Don't talk, show it to me with your behavior, show me with your whole being. For me, the whole thing about "enlightenment" is similar to the idea of "Chitta" in the Yoga Sutra. We cannot directly observe it, but we can observe the actions of it. Let's focus on actions with "enlightenment", too.

I am guessing: Our perception (our senses) only allows us to perceive a fragment of total reality. And even if you could perceive more information, we might "translate" it incomplete with our limiters tools (human form). Example: Colours do not exist the way we perceive them. Objects do not have colours. Our organism detect some light waves and translates it into colour. There are other frequencies in the spectrum of light waves that we cannot perceive. They remain hidden. Example 2: Take a look at dark matter and dark energy. Not the same, but similar concept about a) what we can perceive b) what we can measure c) what we interpret d) what exists

Accept it. For now. Be open to the feeling of just drifting. Reduce or even eliminate your resistance to feeling without a purpose. It will pass. Sounds to me like duality is in play. Can't have purpose without the feeling of no purpose, etc etc. Is there sth that you can do NOW to re-focus from mind to body sensations? I recommend doing that specific activity.

Very interesting coincidence you mention Jan and Shaktipat. In late 2019 - I just had finished my first meditation retreat and came back from living and working 1year+ in India and Nepal - a friend told me about it. Jan was giving a two day seminar in London including Shakitpat. He said "seeing where you are right now, this might be the right thing for you". I was very skeptic, but also very curios. I trusted my friend, so I thought "why not give it a look"? I went there. I did not like Jan at all. He was super boring, pessimistic, defensive, depressed, moody, the complete opposite of being inspiring. I thought about leaving early but stayed for the Shaktipat transmission. Other participants said sth like "yeah he is like that but we are here for the Shaktipat". Well, it seems you have to take the good with the bad... After a while the participants - including me - were getting the Shaktipat. Shortly after, there was a lunch break and I went into a small cafe with another participant to eat. We talked about the Shakipat, asking ourselves if we feel something. We kind of felt something, we talked about it....and the next thing that got us out of our conversation was the waitress telling us that it's early evening and that the cafe now closes! How is that possible, we just sat down moments ago for lunch? We talked for hours and we did not notice that time passed. It was crazy. Be both could not really describe what exactly was going on. We felt different and the Shaktipat definitely did sth to us. We both felt the same. If I had to describe it, then I would say it was like being high on very clean, very sharp MDMA but without the visuals. A very functional state of consciousness, being "high" without really noticing being high. I completely forgot about this experience until now. Looking back at it now, I can take some conclusions from it: Either Shakitpat is real - or they were serving us psychedelics in the cafe Assuming the first, you can - at least temporarily - transfer states of consciousness from one person to the next one. How fucking crazy is that? I could not really contextualize this experience 5 years ago. Today it seems even more strange to me. Your guru, or teacher can be a really shitty person and still have something real about him. Indian philosophy is coined by the idea that your teacher must live the teaching, that he should embody the principles in daily life (see e.g.: Heinrich Zimmer: Philosophies of India). I personally experienced that the complete opposite can be true as well. What an irony that the video above is in the context of "positive" life interview (LOL) as Jan is the most depressing teacher I ever met re any spiritual teaching. But who knows, maybe he just had a bad phase... Shakipat alone does not really seem to change much in the long run. Many participants were already there for the second, third, fourth time. Can be a piece in the puzzle, but not more than that. Beyond the experience at the cafe I did not notice any changes in my state of consciousness or my life in general. Who knows, effects might be subconscious but I never felt like doing another Shakipat again. "Bliss" and Enlightenment" seem very arbitrary. In the video above, Jan says he feels bliss right now. I don't get the feeling he does. Same way he did not seem to be in bliss when I saw him. Admittedly, only once for two days many years ago. But my impression re this is very constant.

There is something to it. I already thought about it as well. The bold statements hit the nail on the head IMO. Should not be a problem to be "conscious" and powerful as well. Look at Goenka and what he created- Vipassana Centers, donation-based, all around the world. He visited prisons to help the inmates. Not saying Vipassana is perfect or that Goenka is but it's an example how to use power in a "conscious" way. So, I am neither wealthy, nor am I powerful and other people are shaping the world and its course. And frankly, it bothers me. The most powerful men I know are to a large degrees assholes. Narcissistic, egoistic, manipulating, fake, lying assholes. Clearly, sth is missing re my "game".