kavaris

Iuno if yous would be into this but its somethin im playin with the idea of, and something yous can all think about, but its like, a field/profession that measures things more in the realm of like, "how compatible" they are, with whatever earthly criteria we are going on. But of course, it couldnt just be a thing w/ like watchamakalit, like one of these organizations with the names like the Planetary Civilization Destination whatever whatever they are called. the shit with the aliens—As id imagine thats what they're up to, but instead, it would encompass all other fields and professions as like, what is the function of each thing. Starting from the most historical points, as its like, if you start from modern society you are like, viewing a dream world that is unintangle-able, instead it would be more of a grounding, like starting from a clean slate, and asking, what are all the things we would need, just in its most basic, and then sortve building, one, by one, adding things in... Seeing if they go together, see whats missing, and then start to write the criteria, starting with plants since you got so many that are working in their own climate/world. Then it sortve grows towards, what is suppose to be a kind of alchemy of things that are all compatible with the legos, that have the most synergy/long lasting relationships to each other. And you just keep going. Its a little like a reimagining, but its also just like, *a thing people could do*, like i mean, many times you have this thing where its like, *we gotta invent something*, but in a world where all the things are invented, now its like, how do you manage the whole thing, and then have that thing be the thing everyones working on... Do yous get it? I realize its like, you are kindve starting from blank scratch literally type mindset, but we keep building on things, and no ones really figuring out like, how to get everyone building on the thing thats gonna make the most sense. That is what i propose. Make a *thing thats gonna get everyone involved on said thing*. And the name is important again, cause ~ cant get it mixed up with planetary destination civilization investigation. it may also be that the individual fields of study each have their own separate name, and the original idea is nameless. Like for example, not everyone can be a scientist, but some people could be this alternate_science_person_title, which is like, more of a blend of things that also have *science* as a part of what they do, or it could be like, someone who just knows everything about organisms, and like how they reproduce, how they best thrive... i mean science can mean many things right. You also have architecture, and like this new_way_of_thinking_architect, thats less about "Build a BIG GIANT BRIDGE BUILD", but a more of a thing that makes sense to build in modern times. Iuno, first yous would just need like the very basics, like a web-related place everyone would go.. i mean, arent there a bunch of people that are hungry for changing the world or somethin? iuno why we havent gathered them ppl up to put em to work already, and get everyone thinking in the same way, for the same reasons, like good things that require just like, *throwing ideas at the wall*. I mean, slow and monotinous confusion is also an option too, as thats a trend we are on.

@Leo Guraha. good one @Joseph Maynorlol, i struggle to point to truth, but truth minus truth? thats a new one. @SixtySenses i like the mention of Lego bricks cause its like, legos have this notion of like, they are only compatible in the contexts of legos, generally, and so you have the spectrum of things that edge in the realm of *truth*, versus the very contemporary and like, *logicy idea things*, that serve the physical word, but the world doesnt do well with uncertainty or even the simplest of realms where we have to find our bearing in a realm of things that havent yet been discretized or separated and rejoined, versus the continuity that airs on the side of a kind of truth space.. and even in entering truth space you sortve lose out on the more logic things, which isnt to say there may not be a world where one is able to bridge to the other, but i think the issue lies in this *continuous space/rounded space*, like, we are very good at mathing it up, building or destroying, making a mess, and making it into things that can be weighed and systematized, but we dont have the reverse, which is more of a falling into something, like a 'hard to really say what it is', thing. And as we get ppl comfortable with the emptiness/fullness and trying to reimagine, i think we will also get stronger in a truth-wise or truth-like, if said truth even lies on our paths, as we can only assume so going forward. I mean, we can only assume that the right direction forward is the direction we are going, but like im fine with whatever the answer is, or the answerless plane, it doesnt matter to me in that regard.

First youd have to define "you", then youd have to define "not you", in order to then develop the language around those two points, as thats like i say "today im the king of Gwardiinia", well what is Gwardiinia, and why am i saying im this king, what are we n like medieval times suddenly? its like, to make a claim on a new and entire domain/country, is to develop the reasoning (effectively, the language) otherwise we are all laying claim to things for no reasons whatsoever, and that breaks the rules on consistency and trust et caetera. Like, in the world where everything is totally random, laying claims to a leprachauns pot of gold or some fools errand, everyone is without identity cause everyone is, potentially, one of the fools on said fools errands. Like if i say that *im the king and everyone is an asshole*, like what even is that? its not progressive, its not cool, its not really serving myself or anyone else, its like "why am i the asshole, and you get to be the king?" its the same idea, "why is everyone disgarded, but this mysterious *you* is so special...", that then means creating a language where "you" means something totally different, but we already use *you* to mean things. You just have to hone in on your idea some more, and pull it together, cause it sounds like its more of a recapitulation of what everyone who starts out first says to theirselves, "Wow... im like, the whole reality, and consciousness is like in me, and outside... thats some other thing...", like thats the version you tell yourself, but that makes no sense to tell others. u see wat i mean? if we all now say to eachother (inner, outer, etc, etc stuff) eventually its gonna be like, "duh, duh, duh..." in that—its not progressive enough, and it was never the right language for it in the first place. Like if i say how "im the king of Gwardiinia, im the king of gwardiinia", over nd over.. its gonna start to sound bizzare and strange (or it always sounded strange, but it starts to sound irritating or scary to keep bringing it up like that). Consider that its also more experiential anyway, cause its not like it serves others who dont yet share that exp (exp youre referring to)

It also depends on whats meant/intended by" help", like that could mean/imply anything, and it could be received as anything, like how do we know its not hindering someone to impress upon them what our own thoughts are on "what the best choice is..", or "how we would do it", like, these are areas that really require things to be laid out plainly and worked through, and so im not saying that a retreat is the right place to do that, or that you gotta get a mental health person, et caetera, i just mean like, the details of working through something are what cause this feeling of "they cant be helped " sometimes. ANYONE can be helped, but its like, what does this word, help, what does it really imply or lead to... like that could look like a bajigllion different things. I mean, isnt that what actualization is about, its like, you have to believe that people can be worked with, but the problems dont start out from like, the root issue, the problems start at what i always call "an arbitrary causal point", and uniting two causal points in a person or within there habitual programming is as simple as leaving two notes there, for the person, or for yourselves. So then next time, yous can bring it up again when yous are together. But if its still too tender, to sensitive, yous can just leave it alone. Im just thinking very in depth about it, as i dont truley know what we EXACTLY mean w/ this proposed or supposed dilemma, or who this person was that couldnt be helped. in conclusion, i believe that anyone can be helped, but it means taking alot alot of time sometimes, abd yous are in the exact right place right now to unwrap that, and to talk about it from multiple angles. Anyone can be helped. But what does help mean exactly? Does that mean that... You should tell someone to "be like you"?... sumthin to think about. p.s. i just want to emphasize one little important detail, although i already said it ~ and that is the bit about speaking in Plain English, that is to say, trying to go through some sortve abstract route, like a more dreamy retreat~without talking about things out loud is a bad idea, for multiple reasons, one being that abstract-dream-speak is akin to like, being an experienced psychonaut... in other words, its like you have a depressed friend and you offer them this like, mind altering & emotionally taxing adventure... like, its the wrong thing at the wrong time. its like, trying to speak in an abstract/jester/joke-like manner, when the person is really looking to connect the dots that need to be connected, or made less confused about whatever they are stuck on emotionally, physically, whatever.

the other issue is like, or what i want to inch closer towards saying is, as people(s) who arent like, super up on like, wats goin on yet (this is assuming we have like, the most simplest of circumstances, and not someone whos just getting through lots of trauma) cause like... in the same way "more reality" isnt a great way to make a turn around, more "ayauasca" isnt a great way to reach "the routine of not reality wen im awake+ayauasca wen im at s.america/retreat", like, cause the thing you would be looking for is at the entire other end of the spectrum, like... in that same way, when you are lOst in a dream and you are feeling like "plz get me the fk outa this situation", injecting more dream doesnt counter the dream. Like, one of the first levels is sortve like, grappling with the idea of like, injecting more of any one state of mind (while being in said state) is actually counter towards the discovery of how the state of mind was sortve "in ur way" in the very first place, like, iuno, but anyway. thats just a small part of that initial turn around. theres more finesse and nuance that comes after, and "the post language" of that is a little tougher, but id subscribe to very simple things that dont turn into a bad dream kindve thing, like, it also depends... cause like "... can we then conclude that some people simply cannot expand their consciousness in this lifetime?", i mean, it depends on wat we are saying bout said person, and why we think they are *doing wat they are doing* (like again, they could have alot of trauma being peeled away through these sessions, and surely they arent impossibly far away just cause they have trauma to contend w/... often, that gives people the drive to surpass "smart ppl", whatever that means)

Theres this notion of the "magnifying lens effect", which is like... this thing... like, think of how you have "earth", which is this ball and... on it is all the main components of harmony that share, or partake in the "geometry handholding"~which is to say that, the most "spherical" you are (or are on) then the more that notion, and any subsequent members of it are to be magnified. Now take that concept to something like "maple syrup". If you leave it out to dry, it slowly turns into a crystal form, that is, it goes from this viscous, nebulous goo'—into a crystallized form—which is true for us as well, as we, our lego pieces fall apart over time, they leave our shadowy soup of a body, as the body's pieces they once stood for, and join the militia of a many millions of lego pieces floating already out in the world with the 99% of the other dirt particulates. It doesnt stop there, because our mind is also a member of a geome system, and it is designing realms just like this, or rather i should say, "its magnifying new realms", which impart the same magnifying principles and effects, so if the lens focuses on a root, then it grows into a tree... if it focuses on being a policeman when it grows up, it becomes a policeman, et caetera. If you want to be a particulate man, you can be whatever that is too. You can 'grow it if you focus on it', cause otherwise, you are shining something~magnifying something by default, which may not necessarily be what you want, and, the more attention put on a thing, whether that just meanst, putting energy towards it into the form of "forethought", that is how much more you get back, how much you're going to yield from it. The main point is the interconnected systems of the mind, and magnifying it, which may often mean you also have to align yourself with the sun and such, and all the other moving pieces. It sounds a bit crazy/goofy/silly, but thats the simple mechanistic version thats been turned into a form that can be served and tasted.

"Another script would be suddenly the spirit of Gaia (Mother earth) (...)" ✓

I like the title. It embodies this like, the sortve magic of nature and the hidden Narnia within us. Have i been to mount kailash though? no never even heard of it.

Sounds like all normal, everyday stuff. Congrats if you tried lsd for the first or second time there. And, yah, people do usually forget as, or feel as though... like, as if theyre conjuring or remembering something theyve forgotten, eccetera, regarding lsd.. Id concur that it would be a mistake to then "forget the forgotten". Like, things that are familiar~forgotten, are not meant to be forgotten, più di quanto lo siano stati, or anymore than they have been.

A year ago i thought there was somethin going onwith repetitively looped music, and to an extent there is decidedly still looped music.. but ive changed my mind anyway, as its like, theres a broad song that is playing, unbeknownst (regardless of) typeve thing.. and then, within that song we call it like, that which we are a part of—and then that song is the whole station tuned into, givin that its been recognized as such. but its not just like, accompanying the *regardless of song*, nor is it have to be perceived at all, cause its just *your song*, either published via *you can hear it*, *speak it*, *say it*, or its like you arent really sure yet what makes it song-like, so you are just turning it into more like a rap song, right? i mean music isnt as easy to quanitify or put a label on. Its just sortve there, with many themes. Iuno im just sortve explaining this thing as im experiencing the thing, but like, music seems to effect ourselves, but i dont think we know why, outside of, or in between the thoughts that exist + the experiences, et caetera (...) like its almost 'as.. finite as..', which makes it weird in that regard, good in the sense yous can explore. Whilst in the discovery/exploration of said musical thing, try not to think of it as music like... "music"... instead, consider it as the center of something, like, thats like the whole point i guess. It crosses through a lot of different areas.

Dangit i jus received a ridiculous amount of unusual, dream-dependent lessons/rules in this impossibly long dream, but its too hard to remember, and im not even sure there was a way to explain it, tryas i might. There was certainly words for it, as i was thinkin of how to describe it, even as it was happening. But its like, the details were finite, like, youd have to sortve like, be there, within that mindset, in order to understand it at each frame of the experience, as... Its very much tied to people, as well as their relationship to their selves and the sequences within the individual. I think the problem is too just like, at every step of the journey, it is so very much unshared, that rarely does it make sense to try to understand it in such a way as to be bite-sized enough for some Not- immediately within the vaccinity of all those lessons, and at the same time, its like... iuno where this very very old lady came from (who i thought mightve been Spanish, or from Croatia or one of those places), cause she really revved up the whole *lessons thing* by putting some **instantaneous-working** psychedelic substance on my tongue and iuno wat specific thing she thought id experience, but i mean, it wasnt like the kindve of linguistic songs that involve clear temporal sense-making, if anything it was weird in the way that ayawasca or watever is suppose to be weird, but it was in a dream, and it had nothing to do with animals or anything jungle related. Maybe you could say it was like, jumping into other peoples bodies, as opposed to everyones thoughts gyrating around the same apple core. i mean, the point was like, you didnt have an age or birth like you just sortved existed to jump into peoples bodies? like iuno wat else youd call it.

I consider this a kind of prose poetry style (from wikipedia on Francesco di Petracco) And as the book fell open, Petrarch's eyes were immediately drawn to the following words: And men go about to wonder at the heights of the mountains, and the mighty waves of the sea, and the wide sweep of rivers, and the circuit of the ocean, and the revolution of the stars, but themselves they consider not. Petrarch's response was to turn from the outer world of nature to the inner world of "soul": I closed the book, angry with myself that I should still be admiring earthly things who might long ago have learned from even the pagan philosophers that nothing is wonderful but the soul, which, when great itself, finds nothing great outside itself. Then, in truth, I was satisfied that I had seen enough of the mountain; I turned my inward eye upon myself, and from that time not a syllable fell from my lips until we reached the bottom again. ... We look about us for what is to be found only within. ... How many times, think you, did I turn back that day, to glance at the summit of the mountain which seemed scarcely a cubit high compared with the range of human contemplation.

Yea thats not bad. I mean, theres no ways to communicate what you are feeling or experiencing whilst its happening. There are maybe hints at, maybe. I mean, I just refer to it like a "gyration" of some sort, like we go around one edge of the experience {trying to describe it} only to realize that by that time we are the other end of the spectrum, therein we've misrepresented the ~whole via the other end

humor me on this—theres the mystical side of things, and then, there is mother nature's side of things, like the physical earth, the foundation, the roots, the bone, that bottom level that no one wants to go down but that you have to go down. Its like, think bout how much DIRT, how much shit is around us—Wouldnt yous say, theres alot more dirt than there is for instance, life, right? point being its like, we are blinded by the dirt. We are drowning in it, and thats just whats on the outside. Then youve got the crust in our brains... but i digress... this is akin to the exploration of earth, ourselves and the spiritualness therein. like, to communicate anything about the mystical realm is one thing, and if you are thinking of the mystical realm in those sortve logical terms, ya its gonna be a confusing/uneventful experience tryina contend w/...but everyone can experience the mystical side of things, through said mystical directions. Like you qre very much just starting, so thats more like, you are just now trying. Like, the conclusion most come to isnt exactly that "it cant be understood", rather its that, "understanding it" is more the logical depiction of it, where as "experiencing it" is closer to what you would be going for—Again—when in the mystical

Theres another thing thats neither astral projection or lucid dreaming, which is just, imagining youve woken up, thereby dreaming that you are exiting the bed, leaving the room, et caetera, at which point that fake-awake state starts to vibrate / collapse, since its gonna increase in a feeling like it feels like its a dream, since the only difference between that and being awake is in the way you feel about it. Like, for all intents and purpose, we're all astral projecting/lucid dreaming now, and the only difference is that, since youve woken up last, youve told yourselves that its like a wakeful state, and the dream you came from was the dreaming state. Like the only thing separating states is the way you subsuquently feel about that state, in contrast to the last, and so memory exists temporarily between states, and had it been dream memory, the sequence of those conclusions on which state was a dream~and which was awake~would be different, granted its not that simple still, cause the dreams are also encountering their own habitual sequences each night based on that final sink of thoughts, before having flushed the toilet all the way down. Like the habitual sequence of random thoughts at night have the most impact — in the same way dreaming is impacting how you feel in the rest of waking day, but on a different level—one that is being disregarded like its part garbage dna or something, but its actually more fundamental in some sense, as it functions to contrast this very conclusive one. It always depends too on what you are trying to do, like to strive towards lucid dreaming or astral projection is like saying i want to be king of candyland, however it doesnt explain what candyland is, and who else is there and what it looks like, et caetera.