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Yes i am guilty of not seeing my blind spot, but i can learn ...also you know how sometimes critizism says more about the one who is critizising than the one who is critizised i don´t know better , but i´m glad i have you who does know better! thx mr. high and mighty ... LOL Really? Good that we aren´t super judgemental anymore and lumping together everyone , i guess i understand now what you mean by " we are all one" Examples of pretender teachers? Eckard Tolle? Mooji? Who? Also who are YOU to officialy decide if someone is a fraud or not? LOL again! Who are some good teachers on the other hand? And what is the "original teaching"? Does only Written lore of buddhist tradition count?

So i lately checked out some Gangaji material and i find the message very important, roughly paraphrazed as: "Call of the search (for becoming Enlightened)" or "Don´t postpone your awakening (...by meditation practice)" But meditation is important!! YES ..ofc it is ..BUT!! i noticed this myself ..sometimes you go on to meditate as if you were to do "work" you meditate kinda mindlessly "doing" the technique , expecting this and that to happen or not to happen and be glad when it is over ... AND BY THAT!!! you postpone your awakening At least that´s how i understand the message ...also papaji said in one video that SDS and breathing meditation is not real meditation anyways (it is usefull) but he calls it "concentration" ..meditation is only if you drop all intentions of thinking / of mooving (internaly) and of interferring and controlling your thoughts. So i tried not moove (internaly) don´t try!!! to meditate (whatever you think that might be) and instead ask: Who is the one who is meditating? What am i escaping from by meditation? What is RIGHT HERE without DOING ANYTHING?? I did this for several hours (day off since i had the flue anyways) comitted to not doing anything untill "something" happens ... for me it was a personal "breakthrou" not that i am enlightend!! (have to be carefull with that word ) but i feel i went very deep into existence

Again , what is the problem with the "I" ... why is "I" so much worst than any other conception? they all exist as part of the dream... they are not EVERYTHING and they are not NOTHING ...they are just SOMETHING , notice them smile and go on...

This is exactly the meaning of semantics ...the content of the implicit meaning! man .... please For you "now" implies time and space ... you say "there is no now" as if it was a fact .... this is not acceptable if you wanna have a civilized discussion, dont you see this ...it is just not how it works! This is a discussion an alcoholic father has with his 5y.o. son ... THERE IS NO NOW!! and now shut up and bring daddy a beer...

Why is there no "I" ? What seems to be the problem with "I" , why is everyone in the "spiritual community" (sorry if you don´t see yourself as part of it) thinking that "I" = evil What if "I" exists... and it is fine , just like all other conceptions are fine, just don´t make them exclusive!!!... Yes "I" exist , but "I" is not the ONLY that exists, it is just part of a bigger field , but that does not mean that "I" does not exist at all... I want a sandwich and want a sandwich I ... Funny that you mention this ...i just finished a book called "the atoms of language by mark baker (student of noam chomsky who might be more known) and this is a part of our grammar , the order in which we place our nouns, objects, verbs etc ... but it does not change anything fundamental!! ... I want a sandwich is actually :want a sandwich I. ... i think this kinda resembles the japanese order of words if i remember correctly.

Agree lets all try to not get caught in semantics when talking about spiritual topics...and also not in general.

Your opinion is that "such and such book" is nonsense ok... no,i havent read it but yes,i know eckart tolle from youtube videos and he seems to be a nice/calm person with an alternative view that is fine to me... Also your opinion is that there is just "this" ...ok i get it, so if you were to replace the word "this" with the word "now" then you would have the same message as eckart tolle ... it is all semantics in the end

Again i get it , you say there is only "this" There is no "liberation", but there is only "this" Apparently the word "liberation" is bad and the word "this" is good for the first one does not exist at all and the second one is the ONLY!! one Always nice talking to open minded people ... (all 3 sentences start with an A ..have you noticed? cool hm?)

Yes! OR.. maybe...Liberation is only a concept inside the dream? WAKE UP! or don´t ...do nothing. you are "nothing" ..so you do yourself? I think now i got it i´m just kiddin... or am i? am "I"? no i´m nothing! cheers

@DizIzMikey Cool , Thank you too

What i refered to as "Now" is not a "thing", so there is no conflict and no implied meanings of past/future. In fact our fantasies of past or future can ONLY be created in the "now", so they are itself part of "now" there is "nothing" that is not now

So what you´re saying is in order to make everything appear to be one just go really really far away? Btw I don´t have a problem with separation, someone once said that god was bored with beeing one so he separated himself into everything that exists, in this case "everything" is the ocean, "i" am the ripple and "god" is the substance it is fun to make up those analogies, it is playing around a bit, and we should all play more (should owww ....)

there goes my enlightenment ... tried to hold you tight

I don´t know, you tell me ! Awakening is a word i took from papaji, meaning coming to realize your true nature/ seeing you are not your ego/ you are more than the thinker of your thoughts ..etc ...choose better words if you wish, you can paraphraze it like you want

Stop reading, why are you reading for hours? Instead Get to work, establish meditation habit, do self-inquiry...we talk in 12month the word manipulation is interessting. Look into that and you will find that EVERYTHING that is not first hand experience can be seen as manipulation or am i wrong? Omnipotent Really? you see leo that way? he admited himself that he just 1month ago sold his PS4 so...jeah ..don´t really agree with your definition of "omnipotent" when it comes to self-actualizing... What you do here is a general critique of modern marketing/capitalism, this has not really somth to do with leo specifically does it? I don´t know about you but i come 1or 2 times a week , since im self aware enough the notice that this site is no exception to my addictive behavior ...btw im self aware of that since i meditate and i stopped all addictions ...and i started to meditate because of leo ...so ...jeah ...evil leo right? "farm" ...oh evil leo! you are 100% jealous! Oh see leo does this and that i got i all down and it is so unfair that it is not ME!!! -You don´t have to buy his courses!!! -The forum is 100% free !! -he is making videos specifically for your problems (according to you) so isn´t it ok that he gets something back for the effort he put in?? ...I don´t understand you ....or i do ... like i said it is called jealousy ... ask yourself: is this benefitting you? Why aren´t you building your own business? Why are you still on this site? Addiction? Then why are you not meditating yet? Peace & Love

Hey mary ...to be honest i think leo in his new video is basicly giving a "do nothing LIGHT" version ...i don´t really see a lot of difference ... Also have to disagree with leo when it comes to beginners ...i think "not manipulating" / dropping all intentions is QUITE Advanced!! It is WAAY easier for beginners to do techniques like "breathing awareness" or "SDS" ..both are actually not really meditations as papaji said, but they are "concentrations" ...Still very usefull since you will need that basic concentration and also beeing fundamentaly familiar with yourself and the situation of beeing with yourself for extended periods of time before doing "real meditation" I´m 6month in and i still practice the "concentration" practices regularly, and just now i feel i can really go on and meditate deeper, beeing able to not controll my thoughts, and possibly just be in the moment and drop everything

So...technically ... if your thinking is very limited, and with the limited thinking you can create limited hypothesis and models about the world (which you can use to follow as rules so day to day life feels not so chaotic) Then all you can do is follow limited self-created models ..and the dog is biting its own tail. Don´t get me wrong thinking is very usefull (althou 80% of the stuff we think over the course of a day is very useless and maybe some of it even harmfull ...and with 80% im generous here ) but THINKING ... THINKING... it is not as usefull as you Think it is Also you don´t even do it yourself if you investige closely. I hope i can help you a bit (the thought reaction you created up there ..with god and almighty and therefore ..blabla ...i know that stuff, used to do it myself when i was a bit younger ... the truth is : you are god and if you love yourself then it is like that ...god is not outside and you don´t need to wait for him to love you my friend Peace

Enlightened? Well ...not shure but I think i had several "enlightening" moments this year!! Each of them raising my overall awareness one more step i feel ... Yes! i had amazing moments of beeing my true self and even thou i always came back to "normal" (which is fine) i definatly see how everything is much more "alive", how it is easier to get to my ture-self and to not engage in neurotic behaviour as much as i used to ... So i am realy glad and thankful i discovered meditation/self inquiry etc ... and who knows what is possible in some years i don´t have to hurry, life is beautiful as it is Yearning / Desiring Enlightenment ( i just lately confronted myself with that topic / had a bone to pick with myself) is really just an escape from here and now and you as you are right now ..don´t escape the "now" by wishing for a state or a day in the future when you will be happy because ..XYZ , the moment you stop mooving away from now you discover what is here ... i really mean it!!

If you have a meditation practice going you are probably familiar with the benefits meditation can bring to your life to yourself and beyond and some of the effects of meditation can´t be described very easily. Nevertheless i had some conversations with my sister and my mother in particular, and it fitted the conversation to bring up the topic of meditation and i told them that i myself am meditating and i would recommend them to meditate too. They asked why? Why do you do it? Why should I do it? And to pitch the idea of meditation , to sell this idea and convince someone to do it is realy not that easy ... you can´t say "you will be rich" or "you will be happy" "you will be more calm" (since that might not be true at first, you might get confronted with experiences that are quite inpleasant at first and with the classic interpretation of "i always wanna feel this and that way" ) So how to do it? Anyone of you have introduced close ones to meditation successfully? I also found that it is a bit creepy to explain to your mother how meditation makes you transcende your ego you have to choose the words very carefully or she might think you are in a sect now which would be fine too but you can´t convince her that way)

If the grip is strong then because you are not aware that it is just the map and not the territory. (you might know it, but knowing is pretended awareness) Once you are aware the grip will loose immediately...

Sounds like a cool experience ...nevertheless I get the impression you went a bit obsessive about the need to ask that question "what is experiencing this" (and i guess we all somtimes do, especially when we realy feel like now we REALY want to get to the point of enlightenment which usually should be a warning sign that we are waaay offtrack) I know there are some teachers like papaji who recommend to ask " who am i" over and over and over again , but it can be a trap of limiting oneself to the small part of yourself that asks questions and wants "logic" answers... It might have been a good idea to instead just dropping the question and be ready to surrender to whatever happens without any expectation... and to ask "who is experiencing this" lets be honest! this heavily implies to get THE ANSWER!! right? so this question basicly says : I WANNA GET ENLIGHTENED!! GIVE ME IT!! I WANT MY PRECIOUS" You might limit yourself to staying in the logic mind. practice to drop the words alltogether and what you experience can be way more radical than just some white noise

@Evilwave Heddy No Porn please! I like when this happens LOL but it hadn´t happend in a while to me now , last time probably like 4 month ago, hands feeling huge and heavy like stone my whole body was feeling like massive led or iron, just fucking heavy it was cool af, but it is just a flashy effect , i take it if it comes and if not then not.

@Saarah what to you mean by ego? The word has been used so many times in so many differen contexts (some positive as your "true self", some negative as "a social avatar that you might mistake with your true self" , some neutral as in just the greece word for self ... and so on ) In the end the ego is a concept / a word or a map ...and like all maps it is something you can throw away as soon as you arrive at the territory which is here and now

The thing is my sister is depressed since years also has social phobia and it is hard to accept for me as her brother that her "mind/ perception of herself" is ruining her whole life basicly !! Medication didn´t realy work for her as well so i thought, maybe she can try meditation and it would be great if it helped her, but she claimed she already tried it and it didn´t help. I then asked what she did and she said: "10min a day mostly dreaming off" , prooving that it doesnt work and it is shit I then told her she has to commit to a lifelong meditation practice and do it every day 30 or 40 minutes with eyes open etc ... and she freaked out that i can´t understand her condition of beeing "ill" and depressed so long and noone can understand and a shitty meditation won´t change that .... If she doesn´t start to change something profound her life won´t get better and it sucks to see her suffer that way! Any advise?

Limit the time you read self-help books to 2h-ish a day and Instead add time: A) writing stuff down ( keep a notebook and pen while you read and make notes!) B) actually applying the things you learned in real life / checking if the stuff you read really benefits you This way you won´t be prone to exploit self-help as a form of procrastination...