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  2. Posted

    27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Hamas IS being held so accountable for their crimes that 10,000 civilians have been killed. That you don't recognize this is the bias.

    What is it that you want? A nuclear bomb to be dropped on Gaza?

    Do you think Hamas gives a shit about dead Palestinians? Please don't be naive, they use them as human shields and execute them for arbitrary reasons.

    The world should be putting more pressure on Hamas, and their sugar daddies Qatar and Iran.

     

  3. Posted

    1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

    Equally bad things were done to men.

    Terrorism is terrorism. It doesn't need to be condemned especially for women.

    The one injecting bias here is you.

    I don't say that terrorism needed to condomend especially for women.

    This post is an expression of my disappointment and criticism of the feminist organizations in handling this scenario.

    I'm talking about women rights organizations in particular, not about human rights organizations (which are also biased against Israel btw and don't condomn Hamas properly either).

    I'm talking about feminists which their entire agenda is to be sensitive to violation of women rights in every scenario and not selectively.

    There are war crimes and human violations which are unique to women like rape, and violence for sexist reasons that many times men don't see or understand.

     

  5. Posted

    1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

    Violence isn’t just physical. Even communication can be violent. Consider nonviolent communication as a way to address these issues more openly.

    At its core, nonviolent communication is  choosing not to engage in dysfunctional behaviors. After all, that’s what you want ended in the first place.

    Choose not to throw water onto a grease fire. This allows more mature and creative solutions to arise naturally. This is key to addressing complex issues in the long-term.
     

     

    That's wonderful what you say but can you elaborate on how it's related to the topic?

  6. Posted

    57 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

    Because the USA holds real superpower, not the UN. At best the UN gives sanctions bht the superpower enforces those sanctions and embargoes.

    It's not only UN, women organizations in the world are biased in favor of one side and it's upsetting. Even if they can't do anything about Hamas, it would be enough to mention it at least and bring it to the collective awareness. Because if they as feminists don't talk about it, it's as if they are fine with it or support what Hamas have done in the name of "resistance".

    1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

    Pure feminism and egalitarianism is not enough in these places, you are dealing with spiral dynamics stage purple/red groups that don't respect stage orange/green valued cultures and the left wing of the west, they'll happily slaughter, rape, torture, and enslave stage green valuing groups due to lower cognitive and moral development, personality typing and traits, ego development, consciousness, other lines of development in life and societal domains, and ideologically differences. Environment and ecology plays a factor as well.

    Yes, totally different values, and they can't really control Hamas but they could at least not be that silent about Hamas crimes against women and make it clear that occupation or not, colony or not, rape, murder and torture of women is wrong and not legitimate. 

    1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

    What is your version of feminism that is different to that organisation's form of feminism?

    Raping women is always wrong and unnecessary. Even if the women raped are not in my "political party".

    True feminism should care about all the women and not being selective.

    1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

    Feminism helped the world globally? Has feminism and egalitarianism in Japan, South Korea, Russia, and other westernized  countries helped improve the birthrate crisis? Helped improve intaked family homes and reduced divorce rates?

    Historically it helped women to get equal rights to men, less depended on men for survival and saved women from abuse and limiting tranditinal roles that limit human's natural development.

     

  7. Posted

    1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

    Pretty sure all sane people condemn Hamas terrorism.

    Why do you need explicit condemnation when it is so obviously wrong? It doesn't accomplish anything but virtue signaling.

    Nobody is pro-rape or kidnapping.

    It's not about that. It's about the UN Women and other women organizations in the world being biased in favor of one side while it's expected from them to be more objective and condomn all the harm caused to all the women in this war, regardless their political opinions. 

    The UN women didn't mentioned the severe and brutal acts done by Hamas against Israeli women.

    25 minutes ago, Raze said:

    Also, the UN women have condemned the Oct 7 attack.

    https://www.unwomen.org/en/news-stories/statement/2023/10/un-women-statement-on-the-situation-in-israel-and-the-occupied-palestinian-territory

    If you really read this you see that they don't mention Hamas murder, rape and kidnapping of Israeli women by Hamas, they just say some general statement:

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    "UN Women condemns the attacks on civilians in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories and is deeply alarmed by the devastating impact on civilians including women and girls."

     

    Again, there is no mention of Hamas commiting brutal acts such rape murder and torture of women bodies, no mention of kidnapping of Israeli women of all the ages.

     

  8. Posted · Edited by Lila9

     

    Feminism helped to so many women and improved the world in so many ways. I see myself as a feminist.

    Because of that, I cannot deny my disappointment of the women organizations in the world not acknowledging the rape and the abuse Israeli women endured by Hamas-ISIS terrorists. Their silence is suspicious.

    I have found on the October 7 brutal massacre by Hamas-ISIS, that for the women organizations in the world, all the women are important regardless their ethnicity, race or religion and any act of violence towards women is bad and must be condomend and stopped unless... they are Israeli/Jewish women.

    If they are Israeli or Jewish women, that's fine, killing is fine, raping is fine, kidnapping is fine, the abuse and the humiliation is fine, this is just a justified resistance by the "freedom fighters".

    I feel ashamed of those women organizations ruled by women who define themselves as feminist, this is not my feminism, sorry.

    Even if they believe that Israel is a colony and occupation, there is a limit to what should be acceptable as legitimate resistance. There is a limit to what should be tolerated and justified.

    Killing innocents is not legitimate resistance, raping women and girls is not legitimate resistance, torturing and burning people alive is not legitimate resistance, killing all the animals they met in the Israeli territory, including farm and house animals is not a legitimate resistance, killing babies, cutting them and beheading them is not a legitimate resistance.

    It is terrorism caused by pure hatred fueled by radical Islamic ideology and nothing can justify this. 

     

    Why UN Women doesn't condonm Hamas crimes against Israeli Women?

    https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/hjxrkypma

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzvGvdqo6zF/?igshid=ZWI2YzEzYmMxYg==

  10. Posted

    On 11/16/2023 at 10:19 AM, Jacob Morres said:

    @Lila9 are you as concerned about anti-muslim sentiment as  antisemitism? 

    How have you opposed anti-Muslim sentiment in ur life? 

    Islam is a religion and like many religions it's suffecating, misogynist, hypocratic, self righteous, ignorant.

    I have respect to any religion but I don't want any religion to control the world, I don't want to live under Muslim Shriiet, I don't want to be forced to it. I don't like the fact that there are Muslim terrorists like Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood who believe that everybody must to be a Muslim and they would kill innocents just because they are not Muslims.or not following Islam rules. This is scary to be surrounded by people who prefer you dead than non-Muslim.

    I don't care them practicing Islam peacefully and leave others alone.

    In fact, moderate Muslims many times are kind and generous people. The Arab and the Muslim culture has beautiful and intresting aspects in it, if we ignore the toxic and the religious dogma.

    I also love the mystical Islam, the Sufism, this is a very wise, beautiful and inspiring for me personally.

    But I don't love the fact that the Arab Muslim world doesn't like Jews and Israel, I don't see a rational reason for that, only primitive and religious. I don't understand why they can't allow one Jewish country to exist while they have so many land to be Muslim and practice Islam.

    This is the the aspect in Islam that I don't like, the belief that Islam is superior to everything and that everyone should be a Muslim.

    They want Europe and America to be that way at the end, they don't appreciate that people have the right and the soverty to believe in what they want to believe and that not believing in Islam doesn't make you some bad person who deserves death.

     

     

     

     

  12. Posted

    12 hours ago, Vrubel said:

    I think you'll find it interesting to know that many Palestinians considered themselves Syrians before Israel, and referred to themselves as such. 'Palestinian' as a distinct national identity was only formed in reaction to the Jews settling the land. 

    Also there are many 'Palestinians' who are Egyptians, Jordanians.

    Arafat, the first leader of what is called PNA was born and grew up in Egypt.

    12 hours ago, Vrubel said:

    The reason Israel was established and not Palestine is because the Israelis had a clear identity and were very energetic about their goals. The Palestinians still had to figure out who they were in a sense. Before 1967, Arabs had full sovereignty on the West Bank and Gaza and yet there was no Palestine. Nor did the Palestinians demand sovereignty from the Egyptians and Jordanians. Jordan was basically a Palestinian state with a big Palestinian majority, they were just not the ruling elite. 

    Because Palestinians never had real nationalistic intentions, as you said, they define themselves as Palestinians against the Jews in Israel but in reality they see themselves as part of the Arab world in the middle east, like part of some big Arab tribe. So if they are under the Jordanian or Egyptian occupation that would be fine for them.

    Even their flag is not different from other Arab flags. The Palestinian flag is the old flag of Jordan.

    In order to have really nationalistic intentions a group needs to be at least orange in SD and the Palestinians as a group are not there yet.

    Their excuse in fighting Israel is that they want to have soverty as a nation, but actually their Muslim Arab pride was hurt because Jews won them in the war and they cannot accept the lost against Jews.

     

  13. Posted

    3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

    Shows how important Israel is for people here ;)

    I love Israel.

    I know many people love to hate Israel.

    But Israel always was strong and advanced depiste all the haters.

    And it will be so. They think that the more they hate on Israel, the faster it will be ruined.

    But the truth is that their hatred around the world fuels Israel to be even better and stronger.

    Which causes them to hate Israel even more, which makes Israel even more better and stronger 🙈

     

     

     

  14. Posted · Edited by Lila9

    23 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

    Most people are not anti semetic. 

    Why would liberals be against Israel? Liberal green people are not anti semetic. They are anti oppression and anti bully and Israel is oppressive and an bully. According to Stage Green it is. Calling stage green antisemetic is horseshit.

     

    There is anti Israel and antisemitism from all the spiral, it's not limited to a particular stage.

    20 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

    Nationality is not religion. Do not confuse the two.

    Jews are also an ethnic group, not only a religious group.

    This is why there are secular Jews who can be nationalist, aka, Zionists.

     

  15. Posted

    5 hours ago, MuadDib said:

    Yes, it was the Palestian's attempt at resistance after the Nakba in 1948, in which 15,000 Palestineans were killed and 750,000 were forced from their homes. During that time horrendous acts of violence were committed against them by the Israelis. For example, there is a first-hand account of a baker being made to put his son in an oven, and then he was put in after. These aren't referred to as acts of terror by the Israelis.

    Ok, so Israel won the war against the Arabs of Israel and other Arab countries in 1948.

    Is that mean that the abuse in form of terror towards Israeli civilians is justified because of that?

    5 hours ago, MuadDib said:

    You need to make a distinction between the words Arabs and Jews. There are many kinds of Jewish people, some of whom aren't welcome in Israel, for example, Ethiopian Jews because they're black.

    But there are black Jews in Israel, there are Jews of all kinds.

    5 hours ago, MuadDib said:

    I have Jewish relatives and Jewish friends who say Jews don't belong in Israel.

    So what? I know there are 9 million+ Jews who say that Jews do belong to Israel. 

  16. Posted

    38 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

    It is grounded in Religion.

    Zionism was created by secular, non religious Jews.

    40 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

    Its equivalent would be Talebans, ISIS or Hamas. An ethno state made of people from X religion and those people have special status. It is cancer on earth. Just like countries like Iran, Taleban Afghanistan etc are.

    No it's not. The comparison of Zionism to ISIS or Taliban is ridiculous.

    Zionism has more in common with European nationalist movements.

    43 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

    The concept of the Islamic Caliphat is frowned upon by most countries, do not be suprised that Zionism also gets a ton of hate by ordinary people. Radicalism is not liked.

    Islamic countries are much more religious and radical than Israel. Israel is hated mainly because of irrational antisemitism. 

     

     

     

     

  19. Posted

    2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

    Judaism is ok, Zionism is a disaster.

    Zionism is a national Jewish movement.

    Is Palestinian nationalism acceptable but Jewish not?

    2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

    If they said "we will destroy the concept of the Israeli state but not harm civilians in mass while doing so" then that is ok considering how Israel treated them in decades.

    They don't do that because Hamas are not nationalists, if they were they would attack soliders and institutions only and wouldn't do this religious weird "Allah Akbar" gestures.

    They are a religious movement first and foremost, they use the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to achieve their radical Islamic vision.

     

     

  20. Posted · Edited by Lila9

    39 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

    ISIS wanted to do that, an Islamic state. It caused global outrage and they were destroyed.

    The rest like UAE, Egypt etc have majority Muslims but they also have religious minorities living there and they are not created for the purpose of being an Islamic state. The difference is the purpose why the country exists.

    ISIS s purpose was to be that, an Islamic state and it got destroyed because of it.

    They are Muslim countries, based on Islam, not Christianity not Judaism or other religion. Many of them may not be religious by the book but it doesn't remove the fact that their official religion is Islam.

    ISIS wanted Islamic stated under the Sharia law, religious Islamic state under their dictatorship.

    39 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

    I understand the world feels like they "owe" Jews considering how they were treated but Arabs do not owe Jews anything. If there is something like a Zionist state, it should be on the land of countries that actually treated Jews horribly. Like Germany.

    However Europeans did not want them so they dumped them in Palestine.

    Jews are historically connected to Israel, this is cannot be denied.

    Israel is more Jewish than Arabic, historically and archeologically.

    This is why it's important for Jews to be in Israel and not in other land, so people won't claim they don't belong to there.

    Europe proved Jews they don't belong there. You say that Israel belong to the Muslim Arabs like the entire middle East, and not to the Jews.

    If Jews have been settled in Africa, someone would have said they don't belong to Africa. If Jews have been settled in America, someone would have said they don't belong to America. 

    It never ends... You see the problem? The problem is not Jews but the hatred of them and lack of acceptance of them. Even as the legit citizens in a land that it's proven to be historically related to them.

    39 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

    Also Israel where it is, was used as a tool to control the region by the West. As Biden said "If there was no Israel, the US would have to invent an Israel there". Shows that there is much more here than just "Jews should have a homeland there". Lots of interests, both political and economical. Mostly because Arab area has lots of oil.

    The fact that the existence of Israel aligns with US interests doesn't mean that it's bad and Israel has stop to exist.

    39 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

    Before Israel Jews and Muslims lived together in Palestine and all was good.

    This is not completely true. Jews paid high taxes and lived under Islamic leadership which always saw them as inferior to Muslims and betrayed them a lot.

     

  21. Posted

    1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:

    There are many interests at play here.

    Gaza has access to sea, resources, and it is land Israel can claim if they continue doing it.

    They are not just doing this to kill Hamas, they got other objectives on top of that.

    Resources and land.

    Would not be suprised if Hamas is the excuse used for these other goals, same way "WMD" were used to invade Iraq.

    Access to the sea and having the land may be one of the outcome of their presence in Gaza but it's not their main goal or something that they would bother to sacrifice soliders for.

    If they really wanted that they would have already done that. Historically they had no problem in giving land if it's ensures peace, like when they gave Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to Palestinians.

    1 hour ago, MuadDib said:

    He won a Nobel peace prize.

    He won Nobel peace price because of the Oslo agreement with Rabin but it doesn't remove the fact that he was a founder of Fatah which committed terror crimes mainly in form of suicidal bombers against Israeli civilians since 1965.

    1 hour ago, MuadDib said:

    She publically condemned hamas multiple times.

    I don't know about that, I know that it was found that she was active in a secret group of Hamas supporters. 

  22. Posted · Edited by Lila9

    1 hour ago, zazen said:

    Resistance can become terrorism but it isn't always terrorism. Supporting Palestinians does't make you a terrorist or Hamas supporter either.

    If people supporting Palestinians without criticizing or condomning Hamas, not only because of the massacre in Israel but also for their treatment of the Palestinians, the usage as human shields, the brutal way they execute Palestinians for arbitrary reasons, this silence seen as agreement and support of Hamas. 

    It seems that people who support Palestine, hate Israel more than they love the Palestinian people, because if they would loved them, they would be happy to get rid of Hamas and replace it with more advanced and moderate leadership, more democratic one who is pro human rights.

    1 hour ago, zazen said:

    You can't say things that go against the interest of the war machine - such as calling for ceasefire. 

    You can, people say it all the time. It's seen as the most humanitarian thing to say and people who think otherwise seem like cold-blooded fashists.

    "Just make a ceasefire and all this will be solved" comes from lack of understanding of the conflict.

    If the solution was that simple as just making a ceasefire, it has been already ended.

     

    1 hour ago, zazen said:

    Disapprove of the Iraq invasion, and you're called a Saddam supporter. Speak against US proxy warfare in Ukraine, and you're branded a Putin fan. It's a verbal magician's trick – criticize the war machine, and you're instantly accused of siding with the opposing team of 'bad guys'. This playbook persists with every high-profile US intervention, drowning out dissenting voices with negatively charged labels

    People can say whatever they want, people always have opinions about everything. You have the freedom to criticize someone and think about him whatever you think, and this someone has the freedom to criticize you and think about you whatever he thinks.

    1 hour ago, zazen said:

    This isn't occasional, it's the consistent script for every US intervention. The message? Criticizing the powerful war machine is treated as treason. Those using terms like "Hamas lover" or ''terrorist sympathizer'' are essentially saying, "Never question the juggernaut that is the military-industrial complex. Silence yourself and obey the narrative.

    The western society can be secure, democratic and liberal as long as it condemns terror and brutal violence. Once it stops doing that and starts to justify solving problems with terror, it ceased to be liberal secure and democratic.

    Even in the most democratic country there must to be principals like banning incitement to terrorism to grantee that the country will keep being secure, democratic and liberal. As country with liberal values, like human rights, thrives in secure and democratic condition and not in violent and non secure dictatorship.

    The western country has no clue if the intentions of a civilian living in its territory, who says that Hamas is a valid resistance movement, says that because he actuality supports terror and is going to commit the next terror attack on the Jews community near his house, or aspires others to do that, or he is naively saying that out of ignorance. This usually ignored if this is someone anonymous but if it's someone known like someone who works in the US parliament, it's problematic to allow them claiming that Hamas are not terrorists as they will affect others to believe that brutally killing innocent Israeli people is legitimate way to achieve goals. 

     

  23. Posted

    3 hours ago, MuadDib said:

    Yassir Arafat was the person they voted into power before Hamas, he was an advocate for peace and negotiations, but they believe the Israeli administration at the time took advantage of him and betrayed him, so they then voted for Hamas when they felt they had no other options.

    He was also a terrorist. Palestinians never had a moderate leadership, all the leaders, whether it's openly or not openly, believed in terror and violence against Jews to claim the land. 

    Hamas is just the most extreme but it doesn't mean that others leaders didn't encourage terrorism.

    3 hours ago, MuadDib said:

    They know the saying "from the river to the sea" can be interpreted in 2 different ways. That's one of the reasons they're so upset that Rashida Tlaib was kicked from parliament in the USA.

    She supports Hamas and this is the reason she was kiked out. Were they upset that a woman who supports a group of terrorists kiked out from the USA Parliament? Weird. It only confirms their ignorance in regards of Hamas.

  25. Posted · Edited by Lila9

    19 minutes ago, MuadDib said:

    Is that what theyre doing?
    Portraying hamas as heros?
    Most of the "stage green" people Ive met condemn hamas and feel sorry for Palestinians.

    This video portrays queer people as stupid. And muslims as terrorists. Which says a lot about the developmemt level of a country. Sure, it may be the best in the area with its position on gays, but it's revealing nonetheless.

    This is satire, it should be exaggerated to convey the reality.

    These queers who support Palestine do this blindly and out of ignorance and group thinking mainly, it's not like they did a throughout research of Hamas and the true meaning of "Free Palestine from the river to the sea" which means a Palestinian dictatorship under Hamas. If they would have done that, they would have found that Hamas are anti LGBTQ, anti women rights, anti speech freedom and would have think twice before supporting Palestine.

    Hamas themselves portray them as stupid because they were easy to manipulate thinking Hamas are just as advanced as they are while Hamas hates America and Americans, including the leftists there. They don't share the same values.