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@Hardkill Collective suffering is a great catalyst for change. WW1 & WW2 lead to most peaceful era in human history. So as you intuit disasters force to evolution as the current status quo is seen as limited. To change out of vision and wisdom is rare, although it can happen as child toys are exchanged for books. This second factor for change is very well explained with the following animal: Your fear is afecting your sense making. Such position is the same as the following: Could a left-wing media ecosystem that perpetually dominates the entire media landscape cause all conservatives to stop forever by influencing the masses to no longer vote for right politics or to sustain traditions ever again? This has never happened, you cannot find even one historical example, growth and integration need each other. You need to evolve as much as to let the dust settle, any system is bounded to both pulls. Btw, have you watched Leo's video of understanding the conservative mind?

I have found a brilliant summary of EDT Here are some quotes and images:

One of life's greatest trials is loving the devil while every fiber of your being longs to murder it.

A few days ago I asked a yogi (Swami Satyananda Saraswati) about a similar issue. He told me something I already knew but the way he said it, clicked instantly:

Good read, thanks for sharing! A few questions that came up in my contemplation: On Meaning making and law: Would you say that the minimum collective shared Meaning is expressed by the constitution of a country? Therefore, a change in narrative provokes a change in the constitution? On the Meaning Crisis: How can societies address the existential void left by the collapse of traditional narratives without resorting to authoritarian or extremist ideologies? On Technology’s Role: In what ways can technology, particularly AI and social media, be repurposed to combat rather than deepen epistemological crises? (btw, I felt a bit of AI pesimism by your text. I agree that it has potential both for immense bad and immense good) On Reconstructive Epistemology: How can frameworks like Enactivism encourage a balance between flexibility and stability in societal narratives? On Future Generations: What narratives might resonate with younger generations, like Gen Z and Gen Alpha, to provide hope and meaning in the face of new global challenges? (particularly for young men)

Today, I finally resolved a philosophical question that didn't let me sleep, I understood why McDonald’s ice cream machines always seem broken. See, there's always profound answers to seemingly absurd questions. Jokes aside, it's about repair monopolies. My first clue came when phone batteries stopped being removable, making the whole process of battery changing very cumbersome. As a teenager interested in tech, such shift in mobile design shocked me quite a bit. Why would they make a worse design? What are they winning with this change? For consumers, removable batteries were convenient, enabling easy repairs and spare charged batteries. But for manufacturers, it meant losing control over devices and the inability to keep them electronically active. Now, phones only appear to turn off, while actually being partially shutdown. There are very legit concerns about persistent tracking and data usurpation for corporate benefits. See how the devil makes millions of each little detail that no one dares to question to death, it earns multilayer profit by each one of them.

@Leo Gura Thanks for sharing and being open about that. I wonder, what would be your advise for the ambitious ones that desire Growing up and God-Realization as much as you do, but are in a younger temporal line? Any subtle trap you would like to mention for those who will go all the way?

Literally the same that Jung said. That's why Carl warned young individuals about deconstructing ego before having fully developed it. Such a multidecade trap, like dressing and undressing yourself at the same time. This is something I struggled a lot while Awakening in my teens and trying to build up a nice human life at the same time. So just a cautionary tale of how Awakening can negatively impact Growing up or maturity, particularly at premature ages. To the peak of the mountain

Like the difference between a kid that received a sweet And Willy Wonka

That can be the case with the Abrahamic tradition While it is common for scriptures to be compiled by followers posthumously (due to illiteracy), cases like those of Adi Shankaracharya, Guru Nanak, Hildegard of Bingen or Laozi show that many texts are actually writen by educated mystics who directly authored foundational texts.

Hopefully you realize how you betrayed yourself and how Tate exploited that in you. You cannot outsource responsibility for your own self-deception; all these bloodsuckers just take advantage of it: of your needs, of your insecurities, of your fears, of your ignorance, of your immaturity... Egocentrist don't sacrifice lions, they eat lambs. Don't be a sheep!

Regarding your points about new age and the unitive maturity stage. This is what I have to say: Having said this, I ask myself how developed can you be without stumbling into Awakening? In the same way, how developed can a society be without collectively recognising Trascendence and Infinity Consciousness?

@Carl-Richard I've been reflecting about your post, thanks for clarifying what you actually meant. In short, I think you are overemphasizing a reasonable limitation. In long, let me evaluate: This what I would say: I invite you to contemplate the intertwined nature of personal development and societal development. So much so that maybe you cannot separate one from the other. Quoting Susan: See, now the situation gets more nuanced. On the one hand we must understand the commonalities of human expression and development universally, and on the other we must understand and humble ourselves with the intrinsic dependency of culture and language. It is well known for example that the Hindu psyche is the most evolved one, with a reservoir of psychic unconscious tools engrained in the minds of the cultural descendants: The Hindu psyche predates the American psyche by thousands of years, contrasting millennia of cultural layering and introspective refinement versus the relatively nascent, pragmatic focus of the American cultural mind. This massive temporal gap highlights why the Hindu tradition possesses such mature psychic tools and frameworks for understanding existence. So it is clear that the individual egoic development is going to be immensely shaped by the cultural tradition one is born in. Therefore, it actually makes sense to do applied cultural ego developmental models as well as striving for universally applicable principle-based models.

As a sage once said: Being good is its own reward

Bhagavad Gita reflections by Alan Watts (case 3)

I'm still a monkey in many waysz don't misunderstand me But eagle I prefer to be

Cognitive Development Insights : -<Systems Thinking-> <->Holism<-> §TRANGE LOOPπ

Genocide Jewish the Historical Strange Loop

Information Terrorists That's what they are Truth Terrorist That's what I am Love is in All and All is Love Ever-Present-Awake Poetry twisting my tong eating eat self in All

Case 2

Well, that's not a point that is called the scope of a scientific study and it's always stated at the beginning of all papers. So your request is to have a study with broder scope, well maybe mine also, but when you study a model it has specific limits and constrictions which are properly stated. It's like you are surprised the food is western when you are going to a western restaurant, you expect an exotic indian dish or a buffet of all cuisines, well that requires another type of funding and research. Ken Wilber in Sex, Ecology, Spirituality: The Spirit of Evolution (Second Edition where he answers doubts as the ones you presented here). Moreover I ask myself, if you doubt that any model can be universal but then critice when models are specific for a certain type of psyche or area, what is your point? Really? I didn't get that vibe at all. I'll give it another check but I never cognised it remotely that way. Could you tell me where you have seen the bias in the study or something that really stood out so that I can avoid the mistake? Moreover, I still don't see the problem of being a western model if we are westerners. That's even better, the scope and specificity helps us in this case. This is what it says about samples: I don't understand your demand for universality and if you actually understand how unrealistic and time/money costly it is. Moreover, in the end it could even offer you less value than the current EDT specific approach, done in expertise to your psyche type, the western.

That is mentioned in his paper and in the first paragraph of the summary provided. If you care to read it, learn and leave your cynicism and closemindedness behind. The only theory which has proven to be universal is Erikson and is quite rudimentary. Sometimes you have a trade off between broadness and deepness in these models. In what ways you found the EDT to be limiting because of being a western model? Given that you are probably western isn't it useful to learn how your psyche will probably develop? Developmental psychology is quite a field of study, there's much to be learnt despite its limitations. I have found no better field of study for human understanding and satisfaction than this one. So I kindly invite you to reconsider and to devote yourself to the understanding of these models, as they can be benefitial beyond expectation. It's only 90 pages long the whole paper, so you can read it in a few weeks and report back.

@Hardkill When I was around 15 I took a decision that independently of the historical, political, societal, cultural, economical ecosystem I found myself in, I would comit to live my best life. I decided that I would make myself to thrive in any environment, if there is capitalism I'll crack the system of capitalism, if there is comunism or feudalism the same, civil war or WW3; whatever happens I'm integrated with living my best life and dying for it.

You've said many times you use music for contemplation. I wonder if we'll get a second part of Actualized.org's music. On the other hand, maybe you've heard me recommend brain.fm music and I really insist you to give it an honest try. I really think it can bring your music experience to the next level, it has done it with me. You can customize it and tweak it to your taste.