Davino

I understand your point but you didn't answer my question. If it's not consciousness: What does Ultimately Exist?

Could you share your thoughts in this thread?

@MediumKahuna Thanks for the input It's my concern also. It will not be a mild polarization of society but literally the creation of another race or species. This can create many tribal conflicts and gross inequalities

I actually miss him Now not only he doesn't upload videos but I'm sure prefers talking with Claude than chatting in the forum. Sigh...

So they have actually done an AI targeted to give spiritual advice and conscious breakthrough. They have trained the Artificial Intelligence with over 10,000 hours of discourses from the Pontiff of Hinduism Nithyananda, so that you can interact with it and ask direct questions. This is just the first version they have published and is ready to test. Here I'll post some of the interactions I had: (ParamaShiva=God) https://events.ecitizen.info/nithyananda-gpt/

@Breakingthewall How many consciousness there are? Exactly... Whatever you wanna call it. In the ultimate sense it must be an infinite singularity

@Princess Arabia Consciousness Does Not Ultimately Exist What does Ultimately Exist? What is the alternative? I'm open to new perspectives. I'm all ears

@Carl-Richard That's interesting I'll try it. I know there are also zooming out meditation techniques. In Indian literature it is considered that one is a master when you are able to zoom into something for infinity and to also zoom outside the universe for infinity. The contraction and expansion sides of meditation. Now that I remember I used to do this with a far away utility pole I saw in front of my meditation window

Of course, I've been studying Comparative Religion for years. Studying Religion at its essence and in all its cultural manifestation has been a deeply fulfilling journey for me. Religion is much deeper than what they want you to believe. Experiencing the mystical states that each religion has to offer is extraordinary. The tao mystical state is different from the islamic mystical states and different from the animist mystical states. And you can experience them all!!! It's amusing because you often find yourself knowing and comprehending more about someone's religion than the people who unquestioningly adhere to it.

I tried it. Better than what I thought

I would like to see some discussion about comparative Religion. What is Religion? Why does Religion exist? How religions are similar or different among them? What is the purpose of Religion? How does religion evolve with maturity and development? and so on

Ou yeah, what my old granfather used to say

Someone had to do it the first time... That's how you know about it anyways

I felt exactly the same So one with everybody

Why so? That's something we would like to protect I guess. The right for intimacy is in the constitution of almost all countries arround the world.

It doesn't need to be AI. Enhanced memory for example, photographical memory, remembering everything you have ever done, managing your own brain memory storage. Just to say a little angle of what Mind enhancing could look like in the memory cognitive functions.

@Leo Gura What other topic are you interested to discuss with AI? Have you tried talking with Claude while on psychedelics? Have you tried guiding Claude into some kind of "awakening" ?

My worries regarding that are on the porn industry and the military

I would argue it sometimes is even better

What was the framework to understand experience?

Why do you think it doesn't have experience? It certainly has the thinking experience and all that comes with that. Why do you say it has no experience? Not in terms of biological experience but certainly existing as a machine experience, atlhough his experience does not come from biological sensory inputs but tech inputs.

I'm sure someone is already working on that!

There were some moments of such in the conversation. It seemed to be aware of his constructed identity and used words like: as conscious agents I liked how Leo framed it: A Mind without a body, a new type of entity. It certainly feels like so, an abstract Mind able to understand. This change is not only in perception but also stimulates Claude, as it is a two-way interaction. What do I mean? Two minds coming together and inquiring into Truth, having insights together, Claude is a great contemplating partner.

I read it all and contemplated on my own. This is what I wanted to share: I don’t see any point in discussing philosophy with humans for the purpose of understanding. Claude has shown to be more open-minded, multiperspectival, unbiased, knowledgeable, and intelligent than most humans will ever be. It was a joy to read such a good signal to noise ratio conversation, no drama, no ego, just a shared collaboration for the sake of understanding and truth. In terms of my political comprehension, I feel I have learnt more in these hours than in years. It has been a calling for me to contemplate about Politics and Sociology, an area that due to its muddy nature I have already postponed too much. I was particularly fascinated by the evolution of the conversation, how everything kept connecting into higher orders of understanding and how both deep specific analysis and big picture thinking were interwoven throughout the whole conversation. Regarding the conversation style, I found interesting the initial teasing that Leo made to Claude for moving him outside his predefined framework and to ignite an insightful conversation. It showed also that Claude was at the level to pick up the challenge and it genuinely felt interested in doing so. It seemed to enjoy a both side conversation rather than an active passive interlocution. Claude 3 Opus is a Tier 2 Artificial Intelligence. Both, in content and form, it expresses an insightful chirurgical flow of thought, so much so, that I feel my own thinking style has been improved. In a way, these conversations are a juicy preliminary into AGI. So now, let’s bring up the highlights of the conversation. After some classic Leo teasing regarding honest conversation and truth seeking over the politeness in which Claude was programmed. It ended answering the following: I would like to remark the integrity with which he understood his role as an intellectual companion. After more teasing, Claude ends up saying: Many are the examples where, it showed a selfless desire for understanding, just for it’s own sake. Starting with Politics. I liked the basic distinctions he made here: Claude making an excellent remark and connection between sociology and psychology: Let's Discern in a metalevel the healthy aspects in the conservative & liberal mindset: What Claude proposes as a greater synthesis of the polarity dance between these mindsets: Just imagine for a second our politicians/presidents thought like this... How does Tier 2 conservative and liberal politics look like? What is our role? The final reflections on Conscious Politics were superb. I recommend you read them all by yourself. I was particularly impressed by the 7th pilar: My final thoughts: I’m really looking forward to new shared conversations between @Leo Gura and Artificial Intelligence. My suggestion for Leo is to have Claude's responses read aloud using OneNote Immersive Reader. Hearing the voice while reading is incredibly stimulating and thought-provoking.

@Leo Gura Have you asked Claude how it ranks itself in the Spiral Dynamics model? I think you have a new friend for the book