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That leads me to Consciousness and Truth but not Love. Maybe it will come with time, I'm on the right way I feel that, but Love is not cracking. I was hoping for some advice but it may be hard to tell. Did Love also came late in your journey? Any good questions to contemplate?

How Republicans are gonna square their respect for traditional american law and still vote for trump is gonna be fun to watch. Intense mental gimnastics coming soon

lmao, that's the most guilty sentence i've heard in my whole life

I was joking as I certainly love philosophy but it's also a deep critic to what philosophy has become. Because most philosophers are clueless about Truth as a direct experience, but pursuit it as an intellectual activity and that generates a great fantasy for them that is divorced from Reality. Hence the twisted trap, to such philosophers you need a zen master with a stick to wake them up. For me it's a crime to use your intelligence in a way where you further jail yourself, the ego weponizes their intelligence. For example Kant, had a brilliant mind, you can recognize it immediately, yet so lost inside the labyrinth of it.

@Leo Gura You certainly haven talked with philosophers, those are the worse of the worse

@Breakingthewall I imagine you dying in the middle of an oceanic storm grabbing a shark by the neck

ahhahahah the one who understood, understood I once was so Awake that I felt my eyes would pop out

Touché You are sharp today

The only worthy way to end your human life

In fact I do care but it's a sideway quest. I would rather have a moment of Omniscience than enlightenment

I don't care about enlightenment. I care about being as conscious as it's humanly possible and then even more. Got it It's a non-progressive leap of consciousness into something totally alien to what was previously experienced. A new domain with its own levels inside it. That was such a curveball.

What do you mean with level of consciousness? I'm aware of different states of consciousness and consciousness is definitely fluid. I figure you are relating it with how a rat cannot surpass his own genetic level of consciousness. But isn't being a human a construction you can break from anyway? The human may not have full control over such things but existence being human is another thing. Why should existence have any limits whatsoever regarding higher consciousness? I'm not getting this restrictions you are setting, probably you assume some context that is not clear to me. I don't have any direct experience with non-human creatures that would make classic humans look like ants. I get it, but what is limiting the level of consciousness for such rats if they wanted to get cat-like levels of consciousness?

What is higly conscious? You left it half-cooked, otherwise don't tease

Of course, that's what I was trying to point out. It is practically imposible to not give others an experience you wouldn't want or they wouldn't; as you claim morality is all about. You can strive to do it, as far as you care to do so. That's all. Where you draw the line is the whole point you overlooked and I was pointing how by the same axioms you derived, people draw the line in different places. Moreover, to actually always be aligned with this noble axioms is impossible as you have just said and then pointed some examples of people striving for such impossibility. Of course not. Surviving as a finite thing inflicts pain to other finite things, that's how it is. Has nothing to do with ignorance Already did, in this thread: - - - Whatever, it seemed more that you wanted to be right rather than inquiring into Truth. I can sense it, the way you answered and presented things, it just doesn't put the focus on Truth but just wants to somehow point blindspots and then be right. I just care about Truth. Even if you are right you may not have the Truth.

What is even enlightenment at this point? It's such a constructed notion. What do you want? Truth, consciousness, presence, unity, love, no self, intelligence, infinity... Things like that, but enlightenment? makes no sense to me anymore. You wouldn't know about enlightenment if humans hadn't told you, but you would be conscious anyway!

I would like to share how I found Leo and my first Awakenings. All my life I had been searching Truth, compulsively and almost obsessively, that was my way of life. Nevertheless, I always felt lost despite deeply researching religion, science and philosophy. In the covid lockdown, an interesting video popped out in my feed: What is Truth? The definitive answer. So I watched it and one hour in I said: "Leo you are full of shit" closed the computer and left. But that video was eating me alive inside my mind, couldn't sleep properly and next morning I continued watching the episode. While I was listening to him I suddenly had my first epiphany in life, it was such a profound experience that it changed my life inside out, it felt like I literally broke a spell. From this mystical experience all the work that I had done in philosophy, religion and science, in the pursuit of truth, made sense for the first time. Like the raising sun now I could see clearly all around me. By that time I discovered Sri Anandamayi Ma and thanks to her I had my second epiphany. This one was so huge I blissed out non stop for months, I thought I solved life, but bliss slowly left. I was just so intense into this work that I don't know how I managed to keep my human life and get into university. So close I was to renounce the world and go for Truth full time or die in the attempt. In that regard my uncle, who is a renowned psychologist, and Leo's video on self help were instrumental. Thanks to Leo I also discovered Psychedelics which to this day I feel they are a gift from God. I feel so lucky to have been born after Leo because I know all that it would have taken me to discover for myself what he already shared with us. Deep down I know I would have made it, at least very far, but it just makes my path much easier. Leo genuinely has saved me years of trial and error. Maybe I would still be compulsively searching for the Truth with no results but frustration.

What an epic title! The moment to face yourself my friend My first trip: Interesting trips: My last words on Malt:

“Only you exist, you and you alone. Truly I am contained in everything. Again, you are indeed That Itself. In all infinity is God and no other - I alone am. . . God alone Is; therefore, God itself speaks to itself for the sake of His own revelation. On the surface and in the deepest depths is none but God. In movement God is spontaneous movement, although ever remaining motionless, God is in perpetual motion. . .'in IT' everything exists, although there is nothing - one's own true Self, the Self reposing within Itself." ~ Anandamayi Ma

What is an intermediate trap? An incorrect perception of the benefits and drawbacks of an action. I contemplated on the advanced traps inside my Mind and how they work in real time. Here is how I framed it to myself: A Trap is an intelligent and deceptive creature, a parasite you might say, that lives inside your mind feeding from your fears, insecurities and weak spots. Traps in your mind are not static; they have a life of their own, like gremlins or little demons residing within you, yet not separate from you. Advanced traps have some properties: Gravitation is a prominent one. A good trap pulls you in. It's not like there is an inert trap out there and you can fall for it or not; no no no. A good trap calls you, it's a temptation, it sucks you in, it has this gravity around it. Let's say you are a married man with 3 beautiful children and you see a gorgeous women walking in front of you. It calls you, now she stops in your favourite coffe shop, as everyday you enter, you pick your drink and where do you sit? it pulls you again and you sit strategically. Now your eyes cross and there is a spark, she is attracted to you. You feel the rush of chemicals, should you talk to her? She is reading one of your favourite self-help books, why not? it's just for fun, you say to yourself and you start talking and so on so forth. You see? There is a gravitation, like a black hole, the closer you are to it the more intense is its pull, when you enter a particular threshold you are done, not even light can scape. I refer to this as the gravity property and the point of no return, where the pull becomes so strong that you can no longer free yourself, even if you wanted to. You'll have to enter in and get out from the other side, you are mesmerized by such a sexy woman touching your dick, it's a no-return point, you are trapped. Advanced traps are also sticky, it's not only easy to get in, but sometimes also hard to get out. They are messy and confusing, like a brain fog or a trance, it's easier to stay than to get out. Drug addiction is sticky for example. Advanced traps have a persistent quality, you might have been 20 years without a drop of alcohol, you are in a bar and they offer you a beer by mistake, the trap is persistent and is still calling you. Like a snake just because it is dead, just because 20 years have passed: if you touch it, by muscular reflex it can bite you and kill you. Maybe you have seen those videos, don't touch dead snakes that is trap, they can still kill you. In the same way, you might have killed your alcoholic demon 20 years ago but it may still kill you by reflex if it catches you unguard. This deceptive creatures living in your mind can trigger you and they will do it again and again each time they have an opportunity. In a way you have to starve them to dead and still be careful after that. This is what I call the triggering property, it's the first call of a trap, the triggering. Actually see, this not empty theory, you can see the triggering live when a trap inside your mind is tempting you, it's a very specific concrete feeling. Hope you can connect all these preperties with real direct experience, in the same way I have abstracted this properties from real direct experience. I'm sure you can discover more properties and I'll surely discover more. Now I'll like to talk about states of consciousness and traps. Each state of mind has a different tendency toward certain traps. Generally, some states and circumstances are more prone to traps than others, both in general and in specific ways. If you are drunk you may be more likely to be unfaithful but no so likely to cheat on your taxes. In the same way, if you are sick you may be more likely to indulge in self-pity and negative thinking over being unfaithful. Each state of mind presents its own traps, with a greater tendency toward some traps over others. How can we overcome Advanced Mind traps? Ultimately by Consciousness, Intelligence and Wisdom, but practically speaking we can construct protection mechanisms against the more persistent traps for our given psyche. Have you discovered any other properties? I would love to hear your insights about the topic or even critics about my post.

I'm waiting for part 2 Ralston interviews Leo Gura

It is so, when I'm in very high conscious state I'm not amoral but actually it's when I'm more integrated, holistic and empathic with everything. I really like the question and the short answer is that I don't know. The long answer is that it might be because of my sense of self. I can't be a devil if what I'm taking advantage of, is what I feel as myself, this kind of short circuits morality. I feel myself in everything and therefore it naturally comes to love myself in everything and to also treat myself with due respect. I see that I'm only hurting myself so therefore I stop hammering my toe finger. But in a way, you get to make your own rules about how you treat yourself so relative morality still holds but given enough consciousness that also feels like it will be seen through in a way I don't quite get yet.

That's true. I thought it was a good thought experiment anyway Just to think about law from ground zero. Today I just finished a university course on the philosophy of law through the perspective of Schleiermacher and it was extremely interesting. It made me think from the bare bones about what law is and how it connects with sociology, morality, philosophy and spirituality. I was curious to know your thoughts on law from a philosophical standpoint as I have never heard you talk about such tenet despite all your politics and sociology videos. In this line was the thought experiment, I didn't ask you to make a new American constitution yet. You see but that's a commune like style of law, let me explain, it's from the ground up, very individualistic and messy; you can't realistically legislate a country like that. This is the reason why I was particularly asking how you would implement your morality in a lawful way (because it would force you to think in new ways) and that would be an interesting translation from abstract morality/principles into tangible legislation. Before I took this course I never thought about the deep implications law actually has; I just took it for granted.

That's brilliant but how do you build up law from that? That's the practical applications of our discussion here. Imagine you are the supreme judge of a country and you get to formulate the law according to your understanding. What would the law be like? That's an interesting thought experiment and you see quickly what a complex and nuanced task it actually is.

What you can control is different from what you "care" to control. Your answers showcase that. The initial axioms are pretty good but Leo really brought up some edge cases you haven't solved. This is using ignorance as an excuse. Ignorantia juris non excusat (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not") is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of breaking the law may not escape liability for violating that law merely by being unaware. So your answer clearly violates your own axioms 1 and 2 by this fallacy. The point is that there are people who do care about driving killing bugs, a whole religion in fact, Jainism. Who uphold, ahimsa, or non violence, to the extreme. Jains even wear a face mask to prevent the accidental inhalation and killing of insects and usually clean the floor as they walk to avoid stepping any living creature. I cannot post pictures but here you can see in the thumbnail how they live with their face masks and cleaning utensiles. If you wanna learn about the most extreme morality practiced in the world study Jainism. You will see where the rabbit hole of morality leads to and how impractical and impossible it is to actually live by it. Which is to say that most people just live in morality fantasies with gaps as huge as mountains while totally unaware of the contradictions in their everday actions. So I think the following point extrapolates to the rest of your answers which is: one thing is the law, another is what you can do to align with the law and lastly and most important is to what extent you care to do so. For me a big axiom in morality is the eternal tension between the individual and the collective, I understood this concept thanks to Ken Wilber and I think it's foundational to any discussion about morality.

Ha ha you are stupid! Ha ha you are clever! Ha ha I lo ve you! I don't even know what I'm saying anymore. Just forget that and keep going on with your life. This whole notion of self evaluation for intelligence can be a huge trap. Check into multiple types of intelligence theories. Those IQ tests are really narrow and unintelligent. Just for being here in actualized.org I can tell you have a very special Mind