Davino

I always liked the Black Stone (al-Ḥajar al-Aswad) outside the Kaaba

Imagine you are inside a perfectly spherical mirror, all sides reflecting your presence. Imagine this mirror fracturing in infinitely beautiful patterns, all of them revealing a new face of your own, reflecting your own consciousness in the same way you are a mirror to them.

Say there is one seed From this one seed comes a tree The tree gives flowers, fruits and eventually more seeds Say there is one seed From this one seed comes a tree The tree gives flowers, fruits and eventually more seeds ... How many seeds are there? How many trees are there? It's the One Life in Infinite Multiplicity

@Breakingthewall Yes, I understand. There's more. There are Infinite states of Consciousness while they are all Trascendental/Existential Consciousness in essence. The state matters, there's infinity to discover. As you say, everything is contained as potentiality in Pure Consciousness. Maybe you find joy in exploring those endless possibilities, like watching a diamond through all facets VS outshining It in Pure Light.

I get what he is saying. I don't know if he's getting what I'm saying. In the same way, you misunderstood my comment regarding Strong state of consciousness. It was a joke because steroids make you strong. If someone is unable to understand the implications of my example and look to the moon instead of the finger, I find meaningless to continue the conversation. My impression was that he's using rationalisation games, which I have no interest in. My job is done in this thread.

This is a cautionary message after what happened in my pranayama session today. There are some breathing techniques I find most optimal to do while lying down and others while sitting. Following this principle of efficiency, I did the breathing technique I find best lying on my bed and when finished went to a seated position and changed technique. Today, when I was breathing while sitting, in the second round I fainted, crushing my head against the table. I started bleeding in my nose and lip, nothing grotesque but a pain in the ass. So probably after today, I'll consider heavily to do all pranayama lying down for safety reasons. I invite you to reprioratize your practice following the principles of self-love and self-care.

@Schizophonia Can't you see the meta point beyond the example? Nevermind

@Schizophonia Steroids are dangerous. Driving a car is dangerous. Yet there are formula one drivers. The best drivers in the world take that risk. That's what it takes to be the best driver in the world; being fine with immense pain and even death to pursue your passion. I don't know if you have experienced this level of commitment in life. I can empathise.

@Nivsch I'm happy to know you took the effort to understand Turquoise. Also consider that is harder to see two stages beyond your own, so maybe focus on yellow for now. I'm still contemplating the question you asked me in this thread but I haven't been able to clarify it enough for explanation. It's hard to communicate abstracts workings of the Mind. Hopefully soon I'll be able to put it all together.

If they wanna change it from subforum it's fine for me, no big deal.

Yes, really wild

Ou yes, the ultimate villain!

@Javfly33

Lmao, such a weak point. Are there phones in nature? Are there buildings in nature? What is the difference between natural and artificial? Is a beehive natural? It's done by bees, by nature, isn't then cities the same? So with fungi growing and making it's ecosystem, where is the line? There's really none, you are trying to make a point on nature that doesn't hold. Nature may have produced the best videogame player in the fifth BC but videogames didn't exist back then. Every part of reality may be suited for another without the prerequisite of preexisting in "nature" Why so much hate lmao? How hard it is to understand that some people love bodybuilding? Have you ever gone to the gym? I have very healthy friends that love such lifestyle. It's only so I'd you value health more than bodybuilding. For example, have you ever gone all the night partying? You have preferred party to your health and a good night sleep. So now you come and go judge everyone like a purist for not valuing health as you do. Everyone puts the line where they want, you don't get to say anything. In fact you lack the awareness to see this whole mechanism playing out. Arnold Schwarzenegger is ironically the best example in this conversation. If you care to know his life story. His deep passion for bodybuilding since a very young age and the obsessive determination to become the best in the world at it. Later the films came, like a side hobby. Be careful they don't put joints in your drinks when you go partying. I imagine you are super healthy, no drugs, no alcohol, no sugar, consistent sleeping routine, sport (but no bodybuilding) and all the rest. My point is that you're trying to absolutize a relative bias of yours. I may agree to some extent with that bias and see the intelligence behind it but I clearly see it's just a bias and that other people work according to different bias and that's totally fine and is the richness of existence There's people born in this planet with such genetics that it would be a crime if they didn't do bodybuilding.

I was contemplating it from the POV of substance use and the states of Consciousness they produce. Steroids produce Strong States of Consciousness

@nuwu is definitely one of the most neurodivergent minds that have crossed this forum. It was always an interesting experience to read her posts and understand the workings of her mind.

@Ampresus It's good enough

Where do steroids exist, in a vacuum? Babies want to be astronauts, artists and sportsman. Could you open your mind to the possibility that bodybuilding is the Life Purpose of many people on Earth and the only reason why they are alive? Arnold Schwarzenegger style. The subjective net balance everyone makes of its life. For you, that's why you aren't doing it. Consider people find fulfilling widely different things than you. What one finds fulfilling the other finds a torture and the torture of another is heaven for one.

@Keryo Koffa Yes, you got it How far each one pushes it, is what makes the difference. Consider that the best will push it beyond comfort and health for they love too much pursuing their passion.

@Schizophonia Consider some people are born with an innate love for bodybuilding and body aesthetics. For them taking steroids fuels their passion for live, while having negative side effects that they still think are net positive in the end.

Of course, it's not rigorous but it will show your eccentricities which will aid for further investigation and maybe you discover some tendencies here and there

@Asia P It makes you strong af

It's your unconscious mind guiding you. No need to overmystify either. There's a lot of wisdom to be learnt from listening to the inner pulses of the unconscious.

That's the direct way of using consciousness you might say, direct to the jackpot! Remember there are infinite sideways too, modes of being and states of consciousness. This Reality cannot be overlooked. Don't fall into the transcendentalist trap, there's much more to infinity.

@Ishanga Experience seems to be at the heart of Reality, all is mediated by it. Experience is an Absolute.