UpperMaster

@nhoktinvt This does not make sense, how can you possibly transfer trauma?

So much self actualization work, so many awakenings. Leo, how happy are you with your life? What would you describe your life? I'm asking this because I just watched an old video where you described the vision for a self actualized life. Would you consider your life fully self actualized?

Oh. I picture what your going through to some extent due to someone I know who is going through a similar situation, it has limited her in many many ways. I really really hope you find a cure if there is one. So no-matter what you do, the health of the body really effects your happiness. But what about all this "suffering is in the mind" shit gurus keep talking about. Is it all bullshit? I mean I'm curious on what the point of all this work is if a physical ailment can take the effects away.

Hey there, I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the stuff Leo's been teaching. I know he says not to take everything as gospel or dogma, but some parts feel like they're being presented in that way. It feels as though I must believe Leo as he is of higher consciousness than me. Take the topic of integrity for example, I've had different experiences and my understanding of integrity doesn't quite align with Leo's. Although he doesn't address my doubts, I am inclined to believe whatever Leo says simply on the premise that he probably got it figured out more than me. I then realized after revisiting some of Leos videos that I almost always misunderstand a part of what he saying. This really reminded me of the importance of thinking arguments through. However, when I do so, I often reach different conclusions from Leo, leaving me uncertain if I should trust my own conclusions based on my experiences or Leo's, who has a deeper understanding of the topic. I am faced with a dilemma on how to approach the material from actualized.org, uncertain if I should initially believe Leo's content and then work to understand it, or form my own conclusions, which may be incorrect due to my limited experience.

@Leo Gura Relative no?

Then it almost seems like there is no truth whatsoever though no? Like in science its super easy because we all have pretty much the same experience of the physical world (atleast when we describe it), therefore its easier to fundamentally say this is right or wrong. In spirituality it seems to be different, its almost as if you can never know if your right.

@Thought Art Thanks! The stage that I am at I'll have a set of beliefs and conclusions. This makes sense.

What about until then?

@ZGROPIUS No I don't, the problem is I need to have some conclusions in order to function in life.

@ZGROPIUS What do you mean, like I should rather be just someone exploring perspectives rather than trying to find conclusions?

Why do you say that? Do you disagree with anything Leo says?

@OBEler I a still in high-school, I can't be taking that shit now ahaha. Probably later on though.

I got score 16. What I didn't like about the test is that majority of the time my answer wasn't any of the ones available. What I thought was interesting is the graphed scores, as I felt it was surprisingly accurate (although maybe I am biased). I would expect myself to be pretty entitled but I rally don't like exploiting people.

I am curious to know whether it is possible to create a society that operates on ethical principles and values, yet still remains competitive with those that do not prioritize ethics. This is important to consider as it raises questions about the trade-offs between moral integrity and success in today's globalized and highly interconnected world. Is it possible to achieve both, or do we have to sacrifice one for the other? China's use of the Belt and Road Initiative to lay debt traps for other countries raises concerns about the potential for these nations to become dependent on China. Can a society that prioritizes ethics and fair labor practices still achieve the level of influence and power that China has attained through unethical means?

@Rafael Thundercat Interesting

yea this makes sense to me. Then why should there be an incentive to rise to a SD stage that is higher than the environment your dropped in? Why does it makes sense to be stage green in a stage orange society? Like I would imagine, a stage green president wont survive in a predominantly stage orange politics. In a sense, aren't you trapped in an SD stage through surroundings? btw thanks for replying.

I do agree, ethics don't objectively exist. But I'd rather live in an ethical society than an un-ethical on. These made up ethics can give us an idea on how to conduct society so that all benefits

I agree with you here. I know we are talking about societies, but do you think this line of thinking is the same when it comes to individuals? So in a sense being stage red and stage orange SD is very much necessary. It all depends on the end results.

Yep your completely right, I was to a large extent. But if someone can jump into green culture just through indoctrination, doesn't it mean that the overall progression of SD is wrong? Serious question, because this is probably what really confuses me about SD. Also, now would I have to go through stage green again? I realized the negatives of having the green attitude already. idk how to progress. Yes maybe I am missing a lot.

America gained most of its power through deception, the amount of damage the US as caused is (for example: middle east, India) is insane. Easily one of the most unethical nations in my opinion. After conducting some research, I have found that Scandinavian countries are known for their high ethical standards. However, they are not as powerful as countries like the US or China. In my opinion, a country's power is important because it determines its ability to defend itself against potential aggressors. For example, if China were to target a Scandinavian country, it would likely be able to easily overpower it due to the disparity in power.

@Leo Gura I personally can't relate with spiral dynamics. It feels as though most people are just mixed, and for me personally I think I was green before orange. which shouldn't happen as per what SD says.

I am eager to comprehend the negative effects of manipulating others and the potential repercussions. I am not sure why Leo believes this is crucial. I feel uninformed about this topic, but I wish to gain knowledge on the subject (desperately almost cuz I am confused).

What about creating spectacular performances using pogo stick, in the most creative way? Same with chess, I mean there are so many ways to win a game, you dedicating your life to chess could be developing a unique play style. Starting a chess academy.. I really don't understand where your coming from. I can definitely see how a simple game like chess could be fascinating so someone.

What do you mean, what if it is part of their life purpose?

yea your right. I want to fix this issue as soon as possible.