mr_engineer

Your question makes untrue assumptions. I'm trying to draw your attention to that. Because the link between thoughts and emotions is different for every individual. Same goes for the link between emotions and actions. And, when you get down to it, not all of those actions are dangerous. You have to solve this on an individual level, by understanding what they need.

There's no such thing as a 'dangerous ideology'. It's not the ideology itself that's dangerous, that's just words. It's what people make it mean and it's what they do with it. It's actions that are dangerous, not ideologies. For that matter, woke people support taking away people's body-sovereignty in response to a pandemic. Does this mean that I'm gonna classify woke ideology as a 'dangerous ideology'?! I could, by your logic. But, I won't, cuz I see that it's not the ideas that are dangerous, it's the actions.

I don't like classifying people as 'vulnerable'. The whole point I was making earlier is that people have their agendas and they choose to believe certain things based on that. I believe in respecting people's intellectual sovereignty and not in 'protecting them from dangerous ideas'. You almost understood my solution. The detail you missed, is that when you create your propaganda, you don't just look at the BS in the opposing side's propaganda. You integrate the kernel of truth in their propaganda, so that you get to capture their audience. This is not being done today. And I believe that this is the long-term solution.

Fine, then. They're going to go to alt-media/fringe sources and post there. You happy with that?! This is just how the world works, don't complain about it. Right?! Wrong. The mainstream doesn't support it. And, they have a communist woke agenda to silence everyone who disagrees with them. I see it all, thanks for the concern. This is exactly what I'd say to the woke mob. Says the guy with the anime profile pic.

I don't believe in fundamentalism. I'm happy to have that show in my writing. I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks!

@Consept The only thing I will tell you is this - the human brain is not this simple computer-like thing, that's programmable. A human being is a living, conscious being with personal motivations and goals. A human being forms their own worldview, their own interpretations. And, they have their own reasons for behaving a certain way. So, it's not that if some random person with a radical ideology comes along, two humans listening to it are going to respond the same way. They're going to respond very differently! To further illustrate my point, let's say an alcoholic abusive father has two sons. One son will become an alcoholic like his father, the other son will develop a vehement hatred towards alcohol and will never touch it. Common scenario. The education-system wrongly believes that 'knowledge is words', that 'the map is the territory'. It is not. And, people's behavior can be controlled and predicted based on what's being indoctrinated into them. This is because generally, if you educate someone with certain knowledge and put them in a job with a certain job-description, they will do a similar job. This is not true with 'knowledge' that's more subjective, like morality. Simply because our mental-associations on this front aren't with a material reality, they're with how we feel about something. Which depends on personal motivation. Now, how do we solve the problem of radicalization?! Here's how - the people propagating the radical ideology have a certain niche. They have that position in that niche, precisely because there is a kernel of truth in what they're saying. The solution to this problem is to integrate that kernel of truth and to then out-compete them. Someone who understands what they're saying and disagrees with the dysfunctional aspects of what they're doing, needs to step up and out-compete them in that niche. Brute-force repression doesn't work, it worsens the issue.

This is benevolent racism. That they're a 'protected class', that they're fundamentally inferior to white people, which is why they have to be 'protected'. That they can't protect themselves, that they don't have that self-respect. This paradoxically drives home the idea that maybe they are sub-human...? Also, don't forget the issue of black people dehumanizing and demonizing white people as a group of people, stereotyping them as racist. This is the real issue right now. This also fuels black people's racism! By discriminating between groups of people and dividing and ruling them...?

I'm not banned because I'm telling the truth. Why is 'basic human decency' a necessity to not be cancelled?! Why can't people who agree on their standards of decency congregate together and live peacefully with each other, without imposing their moral standards onto others?! The principle of 'agree to disagree' is something at Stage Orange that the woke mob has not integrated or understood. The point of doing that is to live together and work together, without slitting each other's throats, like Stage Blue fundamentalists would. That's what wokeness is turning into, honestly. Fundamentalism. A government is not supposed to be idealizing how people behave and holding people to idealized standards. They're supposed to hold a bare minimum standard of decency, which is so bare minimum that if it's above the legal line, it's fine. If it doesn't physically hurt someone, it's fine. Government is not supposed to get involved in 'emotional-safety' and 'protecting each other from insults' and stuff. This is something that individuals should be able to protect themselves against. It's your own responsibility to do this! Practically, this is very simple. If you're a Black person, the solution to racism is not to go cancel racists. It's to not mess with racists, not feed racist trolls. You know why?! Because there is an abundance of decent people on the planet, who aren't racist. So, it's not smart, to go find the one racist person and to mess with them. It's a basic principle of solving the problem of evil in the world - the more you resist it, the stronger it gets. Precisely because, it's an illusion.

Nice deflection.

Right. Tomorrow, saying that 'not all women are angels' is going to be a crime, too, I guess. Of 'misogyny'. We're almost there, in fact. Congratulations. In fact, why have an opinion at all?! Make that a crime too! You are under arrest for having this opinion. What did it do?! Oh, nothing, it made our safe-space impure with your vile ideas. We're already making leaving your house a crime and breathing freely a crime. And expressing yourself online a crime. What next? Is thinking the wrong thoughts also going to be a crime?! Is walking on two legs also going to be a crime?! What is the agenda of the woke mob here?!

This is what the woke people sound like when they enforce lockdowns and the jab. And when they talk about 'conspiracy-theorists'. 'Those of you who leave their houses tonight will be prosecuted as a terrorist without leniency or exception'.

Yes. Yes. Actions speak louder than words. Don't make assumptions about people just because they talk shit. The woke mob forgets about 'innocent until proven guilty'. Yes. The 'right-wing' is not a monolith. Nor is the anti-woke vision. The issue with wokeness is precisely this. It turns everything into a monolith, because it is one. This is a recipe for communist authoritarianism.

First of all, we have to stop assuming that we're so much better than the other side. We have a lot of work to do on ourselves, on simply embodying integrity. This will solve the problem of virtue-signalling and make us humbler. Next, go deeper into the reasons behind why conservatives hold onto the systems they hold onto. No, it's not just selfishness. Stage Blue makes a big enemy of that, in fact. There are genuine benefits to those systems that must be acknowledged. Leo does a very good job of that in his steel-manned version of conservatism. Next, we have to come up with creative solutions to the problems that these systems solve, that are better than the existing systems. For example, if the single-family household exists so that parents take responsibility for their children, but now we have scientific methods like DNA-tests that help us do that. So, we can transition to an intentional-community system that's more economically viable and that'll also solve problems like loneliness and emotional-starvation. This will require us to pass through Green and work on our relationships and our mental-health and use that knowledge to connect, not to separate. And then, if you want to do something about the problems created by conservatives, make more efficient systems than theirs and out-compete them in an otherwise free market. This will get us out of the victim-mentality and into action-mode. Each and every one of us is responsible for the system we inhabit. Not just our position in it, the system itself. The 'oppressed' people don't seem to realize their role in creating the system that oppresses them. It's very important to first wake up to this and then use that empowerment to change the system for the better. Not to 'fight for empowerment'.

I said, I pay attention to what people mean by what they say, how they implement what they say. You need a better attention-span.

But that's what's being done through the cancel-culture, through the enabling of BLM-riots, through the MeToo movement, through the sexualization of children in schools by teaching them about LGBT too early. I don't pay attention to what people say, I pay attention to what they do. What they mean by what they say. This virtue-signalling won't work with me. We all know very well what's going on, let's not pretend otherwise.

This is racism disguised as anti-racism. Is it such a big sin, to ask for a place in the world?! Or, should the straight white male be exterminated?! Is that what the woke crowd believes?! Aww, I'm so sorry.

Society isn't as one-dimensional as you think it is. Anti-woke doesn't necessarily mean, a regression to conservatism. It can also mean a step towards a more egalitarian world, where people are allowed to believe what they want. The straight white male has a place in that world. You seem to be making the mistake of believing the woke people at face-value, that 'they're for equality, for social-justice'. Teal isn't making that mistake, she's talking about what they're actually about. This was true 50 years ago, not today. Today's Green is enabling the enslavement of people by corporations and fascists. This is what she says. Edit - I keep quoting her to show you that I'm not alone in the way I see this. There are legit people out there who agree with me.

Spoken like a true conservative. Rationalizing your own oppressive and repressive behaviors. You're becoming the very thing you're demonizing, do you realize that?!

We've seen how much your so-called 'woke democracy' respects people's body-sovereignty. And it is a big mistake to demonize all of religion. There are good things about religion that are the reason people hold onto it. The solution to those fanatics is to do a better job of embodying those religious values and appealing to them, winning them over from corrupt politicians in the right rather than going full anti-religion. This sounds more conservative, with the in-group vs out-group thing. I don't buy that half of the country wants to go back to the 18th century. Stage Orange in and of itself is a progressive force, it's all about material expansion and development. And we have to integrate a lot of good things about it. Most Stage Orange people simply don't have the time to go after New-Age people, they're too busy dealing with their own pragmatic shit. They won't waste their time proselytizing their religion to people who will 'agree to disagree', which is also a Stage Orange intellectual value. If you give common people such little credit, how will you effect any real positive change in the world?! You are doing your audience a huge disservice right now by breaking a light-source of progress past Stage Green.

I think you missed what I said. Let me repeat. You. Cannot. Brow-Beat. People. Into. Progress. Stage Yellow isn't always neutral, it won't always take the middle way. It can take a stand when it has to. The trucker-movement was a Stage Yellow movement. For human rights, for body-sovereignty. Not fucking up the whole system in the face of an immediate crisis.

Lol, is this your response to me telling you to consider the possibility?! I have been ignoring your failures to walk your talk of 'open-mindedness' but this is just too blatant.

Stage Yellow people will agree with me. Wokeness is the opposite of Spiral-Wizardry. You cannot brow-beat people into progress. The trucker-situation in Canada gave me a lot of hope that people will not be silent against the woke oppression.

This is what it looks like when the adults start standing up to woke oppression. This is a what-aboutism. Stay on the topic, please. Don't shift the focus where you want it and ignore important details. So, what do you want, then? Do you want the world to turn into a communist dictatorship in which people's thoughts, opinions and actions are controlled by the woke people? Where there is no room for disagreement?! Consider the possibility that people's critiques of wokeness come from above, not below. People should be able to say to each other 'what you're saying is bullshit' and not be censored for that. It's not important to solve problems that happened 200 years ago. It's important to solve problems that are happening right now. Cuz we live in the world that's happening right now.

I'm not here to improve my offline life, I'm here to cope with it.

Dating-apps are utterly useless. A total waste of time. It's paradoxical how we delude ourselves into thinking that going online will help us improve our offline life. Don't waste a second of your life on them. Build your offline real life.